If you are against gay marriage, you are a bad Christian.

[Aegair]

chill_out10

it clearly says in the last 3 books of the pentateuch that marriage is between a man and a woman

Really? Last I checked I swore a certain Deity was involved as well...

[Starlit Moonlite]

Solon Lawgiver of Athens

Judas L. Blackthorn

Elf Lord Chiewn

Okay ladies and germs, this thread is a rebirth of the "Being against gay marriage makes you a bad Christian" thread. This is also my supported opinion.

If you are Christian and opposing gay marriage, you are:

• violating the Law of Agape (specifically, Matthew 22:39, Mark 12:31, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9), which is at the core of Yeshua's teachings.
  
• judging your fellow man, which is warned against in the bible (Matthew 7:1-2, Luke 6:37).
  
• raping the bible, as homosexuality is not a sin. Don't worry, we'll get to this in great detail, I'm sure. Don't even bother posting "NO UR WRONG" unless you're prepared to post verses along with your assertions.
  
• arguing against equal rights for a people who are hardly different from the norm and who never offended you.
  

You may also be under the misconceptions that marriage is a purely Christian term, or that Christian marriage is a church affair. Both are false, as marriage is a legal term, and does not mean "Christian partnership" or any other such nonsense, and marriage in the biblical sense consists of two people getting to know one another in the biblical sense, and sticking around to spend the rest of their lives with one another afterward.

There was not even a Greek or Hebrew word for homosexuality in biblical times, and just because it is used in popular mistranslations does not make it an actual part of the bible. Every word taken to mean "homosexuality" has either been twisted or misconstrued in a way that cannot reasonably be considered to be definitive.

Additionally, before you start citing Leviticus, the Mosaic Law is moot according to Yeshua. If Christianity is in any way correct, the Old Law no longer applies, and certainly not to non-Jews. Were your ancestors enslaved in Egypt? Did they wander in the desert? Did they do dumb things with a golden idol? Because if not, there isn't even the beginning of a case for the continuity of Mosaic Law.

Please observe the forum rules and subforum rules at all times.

I'm a bad Christian, but a good Satanist :-O

I'm against Gay Marriage and I'm all for protecting the sanctity of marriage.
As long as I have the right to vote, my vote will always be "NO"!

no? one gay marriage?
based on what evidence?
prove that gay marraige invalidates the sanctity of marriage and you have a point. until then this is all hogwash.

He's just a troll.

[The Homesick Abortion]

Suiveur de Dieu

Who are you to judge who is a good and who is a bad Christian? God is the judge, you are a human just like the rest of us. I don't see anywhere in the bible where it says that Christians can judge eachother.

This is why people call us hypocrites. Some of us procede to judge when we know it is not our place. I oppose gay marriage because I oppose homosexuality. I don't have anything against them, I just don't believe that what they do is right in any way.

God created us a certain way, like a puzzle. And I think we're trying desperatley to change his creation. Whatever we can do, we do it. Why was the reproduction system created so that no man can have a child with another man? Or a woman with another woman? Because God didn't intend for humanity to be attracted to the same sex. He intended man to be with woman, and that's the end of it. There's proof everywhere that homosexuality is just completely against nature and God.

It even says in the bible. Look, read it. The woman was created for the man, and the man was created for the woman. No twists, just that. It says IN THE BIBLE that homosexuality is wrong. God just doesn't like it.

So I suggest you all read the bible again and look around you at his Creation. Seriously, it's ALL evidence.

And Marokia, please tell me that you don't believe that he is intelligent and the rest of us are not. Because we believe differently than you do, we are stupid, and because he believes the same, he's intelligent? Wrong. This thread is about what you believe, it's not mathematics. You can't be stupid when it comes to religion. In fact, I think it's impossible to be stupid at all.

Just because you didn't know something doesn't mean you're stupid. My sister is in fourth grade and she's far from stupid. So please stop going around and calling the people who agree with you intelligent and the people who disagree with you dumb. It's a not-very-intelligent thing to say.

And no, that wasn't calling you stupid.

Tell me, what's it like to fail on so very many levels to such an extreme degree? Because truly, I'm astounded.
Go back and actually read the first page. You clearly didn't or else you wouldn't have posted this blatant testament to your personal ignorance.

[Temba]

Yesterday, NY state senate voted down same se marriage rights, A dark day for equal rights in new NY and NYC. Religion and state are still NOT the separate things they should be. we will not rest till we have achieved equal rights in NY. http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/12/02/new.york.same.sex.marriage/index.html

Octane must be very very happy he;s getting what he wants, This time. but this isn't over by a long shot.

To all the Christians who opposed same se marriage in NY, you are very bad.

[Gho the Girl]

Temba

Yesterday, NY state senate voted down same se marriage rights, A dark day for equal rights in new NY and NYC. Religion and state are still NOT the separate things they should be. we will not rest till we have achieved equal rights in NY. http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/12/02/new.york.same.sex.marriage/index.html

Octane must be very very happy he;s getting what he wants, This time. but this isn't over by a long shot.

To all the Christians who opposed same se marriage in NY, you are very bad.

neutral Frankly, I'm not surprised. Saw this coming miles away. We have the most ineffective state legislature that is so cowardly, so beholden to special interests and lobbyists, there just isn't a ******** way it was going to happen.

[Hitoma]

First, I know I'll get flamed/bashed because I posted this, but It doesn't matter. I probably won't come back to this thread. But I wanted to post this.

You're taking scriptures out of context. To love someone as your neighbor doesn't mean to go against what God had set before time in order to please people.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
'Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God."

But through Jesus you can be made holy and can be forgiven.

1 Corinthians 6:11
'Some of were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.'

Now then if God liked homosexuality and allowed it.. Wouldn't he have them be able to come into the kingdom of God? But no, he doesn't not. Therefore God does not like and doesn't want it to happen. But, I do have to mention that all things are possible with God. So if there is (Which there is ) people who love, praise and worship God just like (or even more than) opposite sex (I can't think of the word..) marriage people then maybe God might have them in his Kingdom. I'm not sure though, but I still had to say that anything is possible with God.

So stop saying Christians are bad because they are following what is written in the bible. No, I do not believe that it is right for a Christian to hate, be rude and to yell at gays that they're going to hell. That isn't being Christian at all. They should follow Jesus' teachings and treat them kindly, love them as ourselves, as our neighbors, as God's children and show them the love of God.

Now, before you go posting and thinking that I hate gays and stuff like that. I don't. I have never hated them or condemned them. In fact I have stopped people from bashing them. But that does not mean that I believe in there should be same sex marriage. I don't believe there should be and yes that is because of what is taught in the Bible. But remember, I believe what the Bible teach us to do to them, which is to love them, not hate them.

[Lucky~9~Lives]

Hitoma

First, I know I'll get flamed/bashed because I posted this, but It doesn't matter. I probably won't come back to this thread. But I wanted to post this.

You're taking scriptures out of context. To love someone as your neighbor doesn't mean to go against what God had set before time in order to please people.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
'Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God."

"Although "homosexual" is a very common translation, it is almost certain to be inaccurate...

"...Unfortunately, the term 'homosexual' is commonly defined in two different ways: as a behavior (engaging in same-sex activity) or as a sexual orientation (being sexually attracted only to members of the same sex). Most of the biblical translations appear to refer to behavior rather than orientation."
- 'Homosexuality in the Christian Scriptures', Religious Tolerance

[Love Changes Everything]

What difference does that make?

I believe real Christians don't isolate people based on who they happen to have relationships with.

It's these people Christ wanted us to help.

Arguing about it, and making our own religiously biased laws will only hinder that.

[X - Citation Needed - X]

Love Changes Everything

It's these people Christ wanted us to help.

Just for personal clarification...what do you mean by them being the people Christ wanted us to help?

[Jacques Sparrow]

This topic is still around...

Kinda reminds me of the Neverending Story.

Anyway, being for or against gay marriage as a Christian depends on your denomination.

[Comfledore]

Lucky~9~Lives

Hitoma

First, I know I'll get flamed/bashed because I posted this, but It doesn't matter. I probably won't come back to this thread. But I wanted to post this.

You're taking scriptures out of context. To love someone as your neighbor doesn't mean to go against what God had set before time in order to please people.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
'Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God."

"Although "homosexual" is a very common translation, it is almost certain to be inaccurate...

"...Unfortunately, the term 'homosexual' is commonly defined in two different ways: as a behavior (engaging in same-sex activity) or as a sexual orientation (being sexually attracted only to members of the same sex). Most of the biblical translations appear to refer to behavior rather than orientation."
- 'Homosexuality in the Christian Scriptures', Religious Tolerance

Technically, can't homosexual sex fall into the junk drawer that is "sexual sin" since all sex outside the covenant of marriage is a sin?

[Lord Setar]

comfortably_dumb

Lucky~9~Lives

Hitoma

First, I know I'll get flamed/bashed because I posted this, but It doesn't matter. I probably won't come back to this thread. But I wanted to post this.

You're taking scriptures out of context. To love someone as your neighbor doesn't mean to go against what God had set before time in order to please people.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
'Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God."

"Although "homosexual" is a very common translation, it is almost certain to be inaccurate...

"...Unfortunately, the term 'homosexual' is commonly defined in two different ways: as a behavior (engaging in same-sex activity) or as a sexual orientation (being sexually attracted only to members of the same sex). Most of the biblical translations appear to refer to behavior rather than orientation."
- 'Homosexuality in the Christian Scriptures', Religious Tolerance

Technically, can't homosexual sex fall into the junk drawer that is "sexual sin" since all sex outside the covenant of marriage is a sin?

Then they can go have a "marriage" ceremony without a legal marriage certificate (making it only life partnership in everything except religious matters). Remember, the marriage only has to be recognized by God, not necessarily by the laws of man. Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, give to God what is God's, if I'm remembering right.

[Comfledore]

Lord Setar

comfortably_dumb

Lucky~9~Lives

Hitoma

First, I know I'll get flamed/bashed because I posted this, but It doesn't matter. I probably won't come back to this thread. But I wanted to post this.

You're taking scriptures out of context. To love someone as your neighbor doesn't mean to go against what God had set before time in order to please people.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
'Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God."

"Although "homosexual" is a very common translation, it is almost certain to be inaccurate...

"...Unfortunately, the term 'homosexual' is commonly defined in two different ways: as a behavior (engaging in same-sex activity) or as a sexual orientation (being sexually attracted only to members of the same sex). Most of the biblical translations appear to refer to behavior rather than orientation."
- 'Homosexuality in the Christian Scriptures', Religious Tolerance

Technically, can't homosexual sex fall into the junk drawer that is "sexual sin" since all sex outside the covenant of marriage is a sin?

Then they can go have a "marriage" ceremony without a legal marriage certificate (making it only life partnership in everything except religious matters). Remember, the marriage only has to be recognized by God, not necessarily by the laws of man. Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, give to God what is God's, if I'm remembering right.

Well, certainly if they are married, then it is a different story.

[HtheDarkStealthDude]

I dont care if gays marry themselves but please, more gay propaganda? Sorry, but I disagree with the whole mumbo-jumgo stuff.

[xLady Tsukiyox]

HtheDarkStealthDude

I dont care if gays marry themselves but please, more gay propaganda? Sorry, but I disagree with the whole mumbo-jumgo stuff.

What gay propaganda? It's not propaganda, it's what Jesus himself proclaimed. Or have you forgotten what the Law of Agape is?