If you are against gay marriage, you are a bad Christian.

[Yoru Kurosawa]

Temba

Militant Christian

Strawberry_Harley

Yoru Kurosawa

Day_Night_Fire

The Judging thingy...People make mistakes. Its not like Christians are perfect. We were made perfect but our previlage of that was taking away A LONG TIME AGO! Judging is human nature...not only Christians do it, but non-belivers judge constantly. Thats just in us. All of us in fact. So the Judging thing in General, should be out of this topic. Now, in Christianity, i believe every chritsian in here knows that it is wrong to judge. I think all of us is aware of that. Its not like we do it for fun or do it on purpose. We actually don't know. Thats why we should pray everyday and ask for forgivness and every day to repent for our sins.


Homosexuality. I know...I know DEARLY that we constantly be on this subject forever. No matter how much we try, in some way, no one is going to agree with me and i might not agree with you. (Thank God this is ED). Anyway, I do not believe in homosexuality nor Gay marriage. However, that doesn't mean i have to be rude about it. Honestly, i have friends who are strictly Gay. I just tell them to respect me and my beliefs and we agree on that. We stay out of each other hairs about it. On another note to the Christians...if we want to help them convert themselves to christianity, that does not mean to be rude and despise everything the Gay community (for a lack of better term) do. We should be nice. We should set a good example to other people. We as Christians are sons and daughters of God. We should respect other people. Yes we do not believe in the same thing. Yes, we believe what they do is sin. However, don't be rude about it. Show people that we understand also that we are good people.


Christians believe in the Old Testament and also the New Testament. The only differ in the New Testament is the food. Now we can eat pigs and chicken and all them foods we could not eat in the Old Testament because now all you have to do is Pray over the food. Thats it really. Everything stays the same. Also, the stoning people thing is also removed. Instead of killing people for doing sin, we just let it go. If you did sin just go to God and pray for repentance.

So kiss me softly... deadly...
I'll give you everything you ever wanted, baby...

You... don't pay much attention to basic science, do you? I dunno, maybe the fact that we eat pork now is because you can't get disease from it now. We can CLEAN IT, we COOK it, and we tend to REMOVE most diseases. What you BELIEVE is not what we're talking about. What the bible SAYS is what really is being discussed.

As for God not making homosexuality... I call bullshit. What about the fact that it appears in other animals besides humans (and yes, we are another species of animal. Sentient, but still animals) I dare say that we didn't create homosexuality in giraffes. Also, if you REALLY pay attention to scripture, Leviticus was thrown out.

TL;DR version: *applauds* Another someone who takes what they are told at face value. Study up and come back when you're ready to debate.

So kiss me softly, it could be deadly
And give me everything I've always wanted, baby...

Actually, the only animal besides a human that has sex for pleasure is the dolphin.

Hi there, hove you met "Burden of Proof"? No? He says to back up your statements with fact, please.

Actually he is essentially correct.All YOU have to do is google it your self.

So kiss me softly... deadly...
I'll give you everything you ever wanted, baby...

He does, however, still need to provide sources. It's not our job to do his research for her.

So kiss me softly, it could be deadly
And give me everything I've always wanted, baby...

[Darin Rosewood]

I was under the impression that the dolphin thing was basically common knowledge. While it is his responsibility to provide sources for his arguments, perhapsyou should apply that logic to your own? You're right, of course, but the exact contents of the New Testament are far less common knowledge than something typically taught in high school Biology.

[X - Citation Needed - X]

Darin Rosewood

I was under the impression that the dolphin thing was basically common knowledge. While it is his responsibility to provide sources for his arguments, perhapsyou should apply that logic to your own? You're right, of course, but the exact contents of the New Testament are far less common knowledge than something typically taught in high school Biology.

Biology was an elective in my High School, one I had no interest in.

Still, I've noted that 'common knowledge'(a.k.a. common sense) is relative to the person speaking. My sister assumes it's common sense that Microwaves are hazardous to your health, and using one to cook food will result in you getting cancer.

Yes, I'm aware my sister's an idiot.

[linaloki]

Lsuboymatt

Are you reading the smae Bible i am? bc it says between a man and a woman...

Between a man and a woman what? Does it say, "And no other combinations allowed"? If so, David and Solomon have some 'splainin' to do.

[Yoru Kurosawa]

Darin Rosewood

I was under the impression that the dolphin thing was basically common knowledge. While it is his responsibility to provide sources for his arguments, perhapsyou should apply that logic to your own? You're right, of course, but the exact contents of the New Testament are far less common knowledge than something typically taught in high school Biology.

So kiss me softly... deadly...
I'll give you everything you ever wanted, baby...

FYI, I was not taught that dolphins have sex for pleasure in high school biology.

So kiss me softly, it could be deadly
And give me everything I've always wanted, baby...

[cutie smiles]

Loving your neighbor as yourself has nothing to do with gay marriage. If you don't support gay marriage it doesn't mean that you hate gay people. I was told by 2nd person that a man of God said that there is nothing wrong with being gay as long as you don't act on your feelings.

[cutie smiles]

Militant Christian

My sister assumes it's common sense that Microwaves are hazardous to your health, and using one to cook food will result in you getting cancer.

Yes, I'm aware my sister's an idiot.

hehehehe 4laugh

[X - Citation Needed - X]

cutie smiles

Loving your neighbor as yourself has nothing to do with gay marriage. If you don't support gay marriage it doesn't mean that you hate gay people. I was told by 2nd person that a man of God said that there is nothing wrong with being gay as long as you don't act on your feelings.

Would you feel the same way if it were restricting people of a specific race from marrying?

[Yoru Kurosawa]

cutie smiles

Loving your neighbor as yourself has nothing to do with gay marriage. If you don't support gay marriage it doesn't mean that you hate gay people. I was told by 2nd person that a man of God said that there is nothing wrong with being gay as long as you don't act on your feelings.

So kiss me softly... deadly...
I'll give you everything you ever wanted, baby...

I'm pretty sure that "man of God" doesn't know his bible.

So kiss me softly, it could be deadly
And give me everything I've always wanted, baby...

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

Yoru Kurosawa

cutie smiles

Loving your neighbor as yourself has nothing to do with gay marriage. If you don't support gay marriage it doesn't mean that you hate gay people. I was told by 2nd person that a man of God said that there is nothing wrong with being gay as long as you don't act on your feelings.

So kiss me softly... deadly...
I'll give you everything you ever wanted, baby...

I'm pretty sure that "man of God" doesn't know his bible.

So kiss me softly, it could be deadly
And give me everything I've always wanted, baby...

I'm always a little curious about the "be gay, but don't BE gay" reasoning.

But then I'm similarly curious about how it is that people keep trying to make a collection of old, mildly related mythical and post-mythical writings into an indictment of homosexuality.

[linaloki]

Y'know, I found an interesting thing in Deuteronomy that suggests Leviticus was almost certainly talking about temple prostitution. Mainly, the lack of a "gay ban," but the inclusion of the temple prostitution ban, plus some interesting translational choices from the KJV and NIV.

[Yoru Kurosawa]

linaloki

Y'know, I found an interesting thing in Deuteronomy that suggests Leviticus was almost certainly talking about temple prostitution. Mainly, the lack of a "gay ban," but the inclusion of the temple prostitution ban, plus some interesting translational choices from the KJV and NIV.

So kiss me softly... deadly...
I'll give you everything you ever wanted, baby...

Do share! More ammunition for the rest of us!

So kiss me softly, it could be deadly
And give me everything I've always wanted, baby...

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

There's also a fair amount to support the condemnation of self-mutilation for the purposes of worshiping other gods sexually.

And a surprising lack of distinction between that one and the bulk of what people claim one verse or another prohibits in terms of homosexuality.

Hell, it isn't even remotely far-fetched to state that anything not in the "really ******** weird s**t done for other gods" category is most likely hunky dory. If there's any point at which this stopped being about a desert god/group of desert gods trying to get a bunch of idiot people to be less failtastic, I'm not sure where that line was crossed.

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

Llandygai

linaloki

Celeblin Galadeneryn

It's the rub really. The condemnation in Romans talks far less morality than it does defying nature.

Not to mention the severe similarity to several pagan sexual rituals.

Indeed. But then, I think you'll find plenty of different religions in ancient times with similar fertility rites. I mean, goddesses of fertility are almost mandatory, it seems in ancient times, along with grove shrines for holding orgies to their name, neh?

linaloki

Llandygai

[Blah blah blah]...

Homosexual tendencies have been branded as "unnatural" by society, and, in a real sense, by biology, so mores will call people out on it. That was all I was saying.

But the question becomes, is the Bible referencing "unnatural" from a societal standpoint, or from a standpoint of actual nature? I should think it's probably not societal, since Paul seemed to be describing a society.

*Shrugs*

I don't know the Biblical context well enough to really say. Celeblin has certainly been enlightening, though.

That said, human beings really aren't any different now than they were then. I think whichever version of "unnatural" Paul is speaking of, it could readily apply to our modern situation. Homosexual references aside, a great deal of Romans 1 seems to have striking poignancy for our times. Every one of Paul's condemned points is something we see going on these days.

I don't know about that. Paul's points might be applicable to something somewhere, but it is essential to bear in mind that he was using general terms to refer to specific practices and situations, many of which are not relevant today. It is even more important to note that the translations in current use attempt to use language that is not obscure and has relevance to present society.

It's all going to sound like it applies. Some of it still does. Hell, nearly all of it might apply. But some of that's going to be in tiny pockets of the world that have nothing whatsoever to do with the majority of people reading the canon.

linaloki

Celeblin Galadeneryn

It's the rub really. The condemnation in Romans talks far less morality than it does defying nature.

Not to mention the severe similarity to several pagan sexual rituals.

And a desire to draw lines in the sand between Judaic and pagan rites.