If you are against gay marriage, you are a bad Christian.

[Temba]

Link_of_Hylia

Lord Setar

Militant Christian

I think that's about as close to a concession as we're going to get.

I think I did something similar three or four years earlier sweatdrop

He probably didn't even read the proof, just saw it and realized that he'd need to scramble to uphold his beliefs - and that reading the proof probably wouldn't do much good in that regard. Even when I pulled out Matthew 7:3-5 in an attempt to get him to read, he didn't and instead continued to assert that the proof was wrong without even addressing it - he left the plank in his own eye and refused to look at contrary evidence =/

Beautiful Day Guild

Maybe I did... I would be more of a judge and a fool to look at your evidence, argue against it, and watch as the Homosexual community looks at this argument and has to weigh their souls on it... no, I refuse to do that. It's not what Jesus did, It's not what was intended, and its not worth the argument.

I could easily do what you want me to do which is get into a theological debate about this, but rather I'd do that in PM's than on a forum where people are looking for answers weighing their own souls on the conclusion.

What we're doing would only judge people tenfold. Oh and, btw... While you immediately categorize something that I even address towards you, I would think of my own sins. Right? You're telling me to remove the plank, but what about your own?

Don't use scripture foolishly. Don't be judgmental in starting an argument.

To Equip A Generation to Fight for the Glory of God

Don't be judgmental by calling the Homosexual Orientation wrong.

[Link_of_Hylia]

Beautiful Day Guild

I don't consider myself an EDer on this forum. I don't consider myself a kid who takes the least knowledge possible and comes up with conclusions.

I consider myself a completely devoted committed follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner...

I am not a fan of Christianity. not a fan.

To Equip A Generation to Fight for the Glory of God

[Yoru Kurosawa]

Link_of_Hylia

I don't consider myself an EDer on this forum. I don't consider myself a kid who takes the least knowledge possible and comes up with conclusions.

Irrelevant. You may not be an EDer, but this is the ED. Either play by the rules when posting in here, or leave.

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I consider myself a completely devoted committed follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner...

Glad you recognize that you are no less a sinner than myself.

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I am not a fan of Christianity. not a fan.

And yet you defend it? Interesting...

Come someone, make my heavy heart light
Come undone--bring me back to life

[Lord Setar]

Link_of_Hylia

I consider myself a completely devoted committed follower of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner...

And yet are you not, as a follower of Jesus Christ, commanded to avoid sin wherever possible? You are refusing to look at evidence that contradicts your worldview for trumped-up reasons - you are attempting to baselessly attack the credibility of Loki's proof without touching the proof itself. In short, you are actively refusing to remove the proverbial plank from your eye. You say that you are devoted and committed, yet this becomes highly questionable when you start acting contrary to a key point that this person said should be followed =/

[Jacques Sparrow]

The Pope is against gay marriage.

The Pope is Catholic.

I'm Catholic.

Catholics are Christians.

[Kimihiro_Watanuki]

Doubting Didymus

The Pope is against gay marriage.

The Pope is Catholic.

I'm Catholic.

Catholics are Christians.

Do you let the Pope tell you which color of panties is the holiest to wear on each day too?

You have a brain. Use it.

[Jacques Sparrow]

Kimihiro_Watanuki

Doubting Didymus

The Pope is against gay marriage.

The Pope is Catholic.

I'm Catholic.

Catholics are Christians.

Do you let the Pope tell you which color of panties is the holiest to wear on each day too?

You have a brain. Use it.

Well, I don't wear panties smile

And uh, I have a brain? Didn't know that, thanks for mentioning it.

[wtokoyami]

I am not Christian for the simple reason that I find christianity to a hypocritical faith to say the least. I went to sunday school as a child and church every week. I read the bible and listened to the preacher. I prayed every night for God and His angels to bless my family.
They tell children in sunday school and through childhood that God is the all knowing father of us all and he loves us. No matter our sins, we can be forgiven if we repent. then as we get older and start to make our own decisions, we are told that if we choose the wrong thing, or live our lives the wrong way that we will go to hell. we are sinners and unforgivable.
I was suspended from school once for kissing my boyfriend. the principal sent me home for inappropriate PDA, and gave me a twenty minute lecture about how I needed to beg God for forgiveness and repent for my sin. I told him to go blow himself.
I read in a book once that homosexuality is seen as Unnatural, and this is a load of crap. animals are commonly seen as innocent beings- untouched by the hate and prejudice that humans are so fond of. Animals, though not often, engage in homosexual relations. if they are innocent and pure, untouched by the filth of humanity , how can this be wrong? if it happens in the natural world, how can it be unnatural? there are too many people in this world who are blinded by their own hate, or let the church dictate their lives.
by following the accepted norm, or going along with the crowd instead of forming our own opinions, we become unredeemable. we become those sinners that we're taught as children to hate and fear.

We have minds of our own and we should use them.


These opinions are just that- opinions. they are not meant to offend or hurt anybody. take them seriously if you wish, but the blame for any offense or hurt feelings lies with you and you alone.

[Kimihiro_Watanuki]

Doubting Didymus

Kimihiro_Watanuki

Doubting Didymus

The Pope is against gay marriage.

The Pope is Catholic.

I'm Catholic.

Catholics are Christians.

Do you let the Pope tell you which color of panties is the holiest to wear on each day too?

You have a brain. Use it.

Well, I don't wear panties smile

And uh, I have a brain? Didn't know that, thanks for mentioning it.

Anyway, the Pope isn't against gay marriage. Neither is the Roman Catholic church for that matter. But being against gay marriage simply because the Pope is means you aren't using your brain, at all.

The Pope likes eating piles of cow s**t.

The Pope is Catholic.

I'm Catholic.

Catholics are Christians.

Christians like eating piles of cow s**t.

[Jacques Sparrow]

Kimihiro_Watanuki

Doubting Didymus

Kimihiro_Watanuki

Doubting Didymus

The Pope is against gay marriage.

The Pope is Catholic.

I'm Catholic.

Catholics are Christians.

Do you let the Pope tell you which color of panties is the holiest to wear on each day too?

You have a brain. Use it.

Well, I don't wear panties smile

And uh, I have a brain? Didn't know that, thanks for mentioning it.

Anyway, the Pope isn't against gay marriage. Neither is the Roman Catholic church for that matter. But being against gay marriage simply because the Pope is means you aren't using your brain, at all.

The Pope likes eating piles of cow s**t.

The Pope is Catholic.

I'm Catholic.

Catholics are Christians.

Christians like eating piles of cow s**t.

The pope is against gay marriage. He isn't against homosexuality itself, but against homosexual acts and homosexual unions.

The pope is infallible in Catholicism.

[Celeblin Galadeneryn]

You also need to point out the false analogy. What the pope likes doing does not equate papal decree or church doctrine. The pope also likes wearing nice shoes. Catholics really aren't bound by that.

[namida_no_chi]

Technically (and sorry if anyone has made these scripture references), Leviticus 18:22 is the passage (which is part of Torah) in which God says, "[laying] with a male as with a woman, it is an abomination." In looking up the original Hebrew word used in the context (I don't have it on hand right now, but would be glad to get it if need be), the word "lay" essentially means "carnal intercourse," so we can safely assume God is talking about sex, ergo homosexuality.Then later in Matthew 5:17-19 Jesus reaffirms the Torah laws (which would include Leviticus 18:22), by saying, "For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done." This means that until the heavens and Earth pass away, Torah (which includes Leviticus 18:22) is still active law.

This would really come down to a question of who you follow. If following Jesus means loving your neighbor and ignoring what God said, or if following God means seeing homosexuality as an abomination and ignoring what Jesus said, you've got quite a conundrum there, don't you? That is, assuming seeing it as an abomination means you have to hate them, and thereby, ignore what Jesus said.

As for my personal opinion, I am not a Christian, and personally don't care one way or another if gay marriage is legal. I'd say the 'sanctity' of marriage is pretty well screwed up anyway, what with a 50% +/- divorce rate, so big deal if gay marriage is legal. I'm just being adversarial wink

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Doubting Didymus

Kimihiro_Watanuki

Doubting Didymus

Kimihiro_Watanuki

Doubting Didymus

The Pope is against gay marriage.

The Pope is Catholic.

I'm Catholic.

Catholics are Christians.

Do you let the Pope tell you which color of panties is the holiest to wear on each day too?

You have a brain. Use it.

Well, I don't wear panties smile

And uh, I have a brain? Didn't know that, thanks for mentioning it.

Anyway, the Pope isn't against gay marriage. Neither is the Roman Catholic church for that matter. But being against gay marriage simply because the Pope is means you aren't using your brain, at all.

The Pope likes eating piles of cow s**t.

The Pope is Catholic.

I'm Catholic.

Catholics are Christians.

Christians like eating piles of cow s**t.

The pope is against gay marriage. He isn't against homosexuality itself, but against homosexual acts and homosexual unions.

The pope is infallible in Catholicism.

Yet by no means is he infallible in all of Christianity.

And as Celeblin mentioned, his likes and dislikes are irrelevant unless he makes it a papal decree.

[Jacques Sparrow]

Militant Christian

Doubting Didymus

Kimihiro_Watanuki

Doubting Didymus

Kimihiro_Watanuki

Doubting Didymus

The Pope is against gay marriage.

The Pope is Catholic.

I'm Catholic.

Catholics are Christians.

Do you let the Pope tell you which color of panties is the holiest to wear on each day too?

You have a brain. Use it.

Well, I don't wear panties smile

And uh, I have a brain? Didn't know that, thanks for mentioning it.

Anyway, the Pope isn't against gay marriage. Neither is the Roman Catholic church for that matter. But being against gay marriage simply because the Pope is means you aren't using your brain, at all.

The Pope likes eating piles of cow s**t.

The Pope is Catholic.

I'm Catholic.

Catholics are Christians.

Christians like eating piles of cow s**t.

The pope is against gay marriage. He isn't against homosexuality itself, but against homosexual acts and homosexual unions.

The pope is infallible in Catholicism.

Yet by no means is he infallible in all of Christianity.

And as Celeblin mentioned, his likes and dislikes are irrelevant unless he makes it a papal decree.

He is infallible for a large group of Christians.
And this is no "like". He preaches against Homosexual acts.