If you are against gay marriage, you are a bad Christian.

[Noct 9]

Matthew Hunter

Gho the Girl

Matthew Hunter

Elf Lord Chiewn

Kassy_Godlover4ever

you are wrong

Your face is wrong.

Kassy_Godlover4ever

gay marriage is wrong

Prove it.

Kassy_Godlover4ever

and im not a bad chistain if i dont suport it

Prove me wrong, then.

Really, it's just special to see someone claiming they aren't a bad Christian...while not even remotely capable of spelling the word.

Or were you referring to some strange practice in advanced statistical washing machine theory?

Kassy_Godlover4ever

the bible clearly says NEVER a man and man or woman and woman ONLY woman and man

Bullshit.
Show me the verse or concede.

1 Corinthians 6:9 New Testament speaks of the sins of Homosexuality as does Leviticus 18:22 in the Old Testament.

Leviticus 18:22 CEV version

It is disgusting for a man to have sex with another man.

I'm sorry, does the Torah suddenly apply to goyen?

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1 Corinthians 6:9 CEV version

Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's kingdom? Don't fool yourselves! No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or behaves like a homosexual

My bible doesn't say "behaves like a homosexual." Look up that verse on several different translations on biblegateway.com and you'll get several different statements.

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I'm not a bad christian for disagreeing with homosexuality.

Depending upon the sect, yes, yes you are.

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I don't hate the person I just can't agree with their choice of lifestyle. I once had a friend that was bisexual. (I moved so don't see them now.) I thought they were a great person. I just don't agree with the lifestyle.

Define "lifestyle" because homosexuality is no more a lifestyle than having red hair.

I also have the King James version & the NIV here at home. I gave the verses that discuss homosexuality agree or don't is your choice. By the way everyone is a bad person at times. My choosing to disagree with what I believe to be a sin according to my faith does not make me a bad person. Sorry if you choose to think I am.

Disagreeing with homosexuality makes you not a Christian, but it does not reflect on you as a person in general -- you are not a bad person just because you are not an actual Christian.

A potato considers itself a carrot
> The potato is a bad carrot
> The potato is not, though, a bad vegetable

see what I mean?

[Phillip Solar]

Noct 9

Matthew Hunter

Gho the Girl

Matthew Hunter

Elf Lord Chiewn

Your face is wrong.


Prove it.


Prove me wrong, then.

Really, it's just special to see someone claiming they aren't a bad Christian...while not even remotely capable of spelling the word.

Or were you referring to some strange practice in advanced statistical washing machine theory?


Bullshit.
Show me the verse or concede.

1 Corinthians 6:9 New Testament speaks of the sins of Homosexuality as does Leviticus 18:22 in the Old Testament.

Leviticus 18:22 CEV version

It is disgusting for a man to have sex with another man.

I'm sorry, does the Torah suddenly apply to goyen?

Quote:

1 Corinthians 6:9 CEV version

Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's kingdom? Don't fool yourselves! No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or behaves like a homosexual

My bible doesn't say "behaves like a homosexual." Look up that verse on several different translations on biblegateway.com and you'll get several different statements.

Quote:

I'm not a bad christian for disagreeing with homosexuality.

Depending upon the sect, yes, yes you are.

Quote:

I don't hate the person I just can't agree with their choice of lifestyle. I once had a friend that was bisexual. (I moved so don't see them now.) I thought they were a great person. I just don't agree with the lifestyle.

Define "lifestyle" because homosexuality is no more a lifestyle than having red hair.

I also have the King James version & the NIV here at home. I gave the verses that discuss homosexuality agree or don't is your choice. By the way everyone is a bad person at times. My choosing to disagree with what I believe to be a sin according to my faith does not make me a bad person. Sorry if you choose to think I am.

Disagreeing with homosexuality makes you not a Christian, but it does not reflect on you as a person in general -- you are not a bad person just because you are not an actual Christian.

A potato considers itself a carrot
> The potato is a bad carrot
> The potato is not, though, a bad vegetable

see what I mean?

Could the potato cosider itself a blueberry instead? I don't like carrots. blaugh

[Noct 9]

Matthew Hunter

Noct 9

Disagreeing with homosexuality makes you not a Christian, but it does not reflect on you as a person in general -- you are not a bad person just because you are not an actual Christian.

A potato considers itself a carrot
> The potato is a bad carrot
> The potato is not, though, a bad vegetable

see what I mean?

Could the potato cosider itself a blueberry instead? I don't like carrots. blaugh

sigh

Should I consider that response a concession?

[Phillip Solar]

Noct 9

Matthew Hunter

Noct 9

Disagreeing with homosexuality makes you not a Christian, but it does not reflect on you as a person in general -- you are not a bad person just because you are not an actual Christian.

A potato considers itself a carrot
> The potato is a bad carrot
> The potato is not, though, a bad vegetable

see what I mean?

Could the potato cosider itself a blueberry instead? I don't like carrots. blaugh

sigh

Should I consider that response a concession?

Nope, sorry. Can't do that. What you can consider it to be is me laughing my butt off at this rediculas thread & the responses I get for my post. Thanks for the laugh people it's been fun. rofl

[Noct 9]

Matthew Hunter

Noct 9

Matthew Hunter

Noct 9

Disagreeing with homosexuality makes you not a Christian, but it does not reflect on you as a person in general -- you are not a bad person just because you are not an actual Christian.

A potato considers itself a carrot
> The potato is a bad carrot
> The potato is not, though, a bad vegetable

see what I mean?

Could the potato cosider itself a blueberry instead? I don't like carrots. blaugh

sigh

Should I consider that response a concession?

Nope, sorry. Can't do that. What you can consider it to be is me laughing my butt off at this rediculas thread & the responses I get for my post. Thanks for the laugh people it's been fun. rofl

Your Christian humility is too much for me to handle./

[Gho the Girl]

Matthew Hunter

Noct 9

Matthew Hunter

Noct 9

Disagreeing with homosexuality makes you not a Christian, but it does not reflect on you as a person in general -- you are not a bad person just because you are not an actual Christian.

A potato considers itself a carrot
> The potato is a bad carrot
> The potato is not, though, a bad vegetable

see what I mean?

Could the potato cosider itself a blueberry instead? I don't like carrots. blaugh

sigh

Should I consider that response a concession?

Nope, sorry. Can't do that. What you can consider it to be is me laughing my butt off at this rediculas thread & the responses I get for my post. Thanks for the laugh people it's been fun. rofl

Oh yay. more fail.

[Noct 9]

Gho the Girl

Matthew Hunter

Noct 9

Matthew Hunter

Noct 9

Disagreeing with homosexuality makes you not a Christian, but it does not reflect on you as a person in general -- you are not a bad person just because you are not an actual Christian.

A potato considers itself a carrot
> The potato is a bad carrot
> The potato is not, though, a bad vegetable

see what I mean?

Could the potato cosider itself a blueberry instead? I don't like carrots. blaugh

sigh

Should I consider that response a concession?

Nope, sorry. Can't do that. What you can consider it to be is me laughing my butt off at this rediculas thread & the responses I get for my post. Thanks for the laugh people it's been fun. rofl

Oh yay. more fail.

burning_eyes I return after a lengthy hiatus to sadly debate with the dull pseudos again...

Q_Q Care for a good convo, lest I resign myself to the GD where easy prey is everywhere?

[Gho the Girl]

Noct 9

Gho the Girl

Matthew Hunter

Noct 9

Matthew Hunter

Noct 9

Disagreeing with homosexuality makes you not a Christian, but it does not reflect on you as a person in general -- you are not a bad person just because you are not an actual Christian.

A potato considers itself a carrot
> The potato is a bad carrot
> The potato is not, though, a bad vegetable

see what I mean?

Could the potato cosider itself a blueberry instead? I don't like carrots. blaugh

sigh

Should I consider that response a concession?

Nope, sorry. Can't do that. What you can consider it to be is me laughing my butt off at this rediculas thread & the responses I get for my post. Thanks for the laugh people it's been fun. rofl

Oh yay. more fail.

burning_eyes I return after a lengthy hiatus to sadly debate with the dull pseudos again...

Q_Q Care for a good convo, lest I resign myself to the GD where easy prey is everywhere?

Sure. What did you have in mind?

[Noct 9]

Gho the Girl

Noct 9

Gho the Girl

Matthew Hunter

Noct 9

sigh

Should I consider that response a concession?

Nope, sorry. Can't do that. What you can consider it to be is me laughing my butt off at this rediculas thread & the responses I get for my post. Thanks for the laugh people it's been fun. rofl

Oh yay. more fail.

burning_eyes I return after a lengthy hiatus to sadly debate with the dull pseudos again...

Q_Q Care for a good convo, lest I resign myself to the GD where easy prey is everywhere?

Sure. What did you have in mind?

Arrg, sorry for logging lol

/sleeeeeep

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Matthew Hunter

Noct 9

Disagreeing with homosexuality makes you not a Christian, but it does not reflect on you as a person in general -- you are not a bad person just because you are not an actual Christian.

A potato considers itself a carrot
> The potato is a bad carrot
> The potato is not, though, a bad vegetable

see what I mean?

Could the potato cosider itself a blueberry instead? I don't like carrots. blaugh

You may, but then you are still a failberry. And eat more carrots, young man! they're good for your eyes. *nods sagely*

Are you familiar with Rational Biblical Exegesis? I learned it recently, as it's been added to all of the study guides in my church. The point of Exegesis is to learn the original intention of the author, when he wrote the text. If you look at the first few posts of this thread, Elf Lord Chiewn has included the Exegesis of the texts you mentioned, including the original words used, and their closest translations.

I'm actually going to quote teh Boxy and his awesomeness on this, as it happened to be open to his post while I was responding to you:

Boxy

Corithians 6:9-10

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [malakos], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [arsenokoitai] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Malakos means "catamite," which is a specific title of the submissive role in pedastery (which is nowadays considered *****). There's a problem of power disparity, as these young boys were often "submitting" to their professional mentors and masters so as to "learn the ways of the trade" of sex. This relationship had nothing at all to do with love (or even lust), and had more to do with learning sexual techniques and/or gratify one's master.

Arsenokoites was a word of uncertain meaning, as the author was apparently coining the word as he wrote. It is a splicing-together of two words, arsenos meaning "man," and koites meaning "bed." It could mean two men in a bed, it could mean male prostitution (i.e. a woman inviting a man other than her husband into her bed), or it could mean a man alone in a bed engaging in sexual relations with himself. At various times, it has been translated as homosexual, masturbator, and even more curiously "abuser of themselves with mankind" (which while adding content to the meaning, it does leave it accurately vague).

If you wish to interpret arsenokoites as "a man engaging in homosexual relations in a loving, closed relationship," I could interpret it just as easily as "a man who is at any time in a bed doing anything, including sleeping." It just does not fit.

And in regards to your verse from Leviticus(or any other laws you may choose to pull from the Old Testament), please read the context of Acts 15 and Collosians 2

[liamnaruto]

thank look i'm straight and no not female my avi is one beucase i was lazy anyway
i'm tired of these homophoibs and their small minds

[xXSleepyPrincess]

All Christians who have ever been Christians or will ever be Christians should know that this topic is a lie. Being against gay mariage does not mean you are a bad Christian. He is right when he says not to judge people, but he's twisting it into what sounds like he's right. That's what t.v. preachers do. I have two verses that will show i'm right.

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor theives, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God." - 1 Corinthians 6: 9-11

Which is saying that even though you have done all of these sins, including homosexuality, Jesus died on the cross for you to save you from it. Even though people do these sins to this day you can and should repent for it.

"Realizing the fact the law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebelious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers and mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted." - 1 Timothy 1: 9-11

[Marshal67]

OnexShortDay

All Christians who have ever been Christians or will ever be Christians should know that this topic is a lie.

You will have to prove that, rather than just saying it. This is the ED after all.

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Being against gay mariage does not mean you are a bad Christian. He is right when he says not to judge people, but he's twisting it into what sounds like he's right.

This is not about Chiewn being right, it about logic or truth winning out over misconceptions and falsehood.

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor theives, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God." - 1 Corinthians 6: 9-11

Me

Probably the biggest verse used against homosexuality in todays society.

However, the original Greek text reads malakoi arsenokoitai, which translates to mean "soft morals", and this is where the word homosexual is in the text, hmmm.

The thing of this verse is, it is impossible to say what YHVH actually intended. But one thing is for sure, homosexuality has nothing to do with soft-morals as proven by all of my ramblings above.

Or if that does not satisfy you, read the OP. That is also part of being in the ED. If you had done so you wouldn't be arguing the side you are.

You

Which is saying that even though you have done all of these sins, including homosexuality, Jesus died on the cross for you to save you from it. Even though people do these sins to this day you can and should repent for it.

It never once mentions homosexuality, Ananel proved that, I proved that, Loki proved and Chiewn proved that. People's excuses for not knowing are running short since it is such a popular topic.

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"Realizing the fact the law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebelious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers and mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted." - 1 Timothy 1: 9-11

Me

Again the word(s) malakoi arsenokoitai or "soft morals" is used. Though truthfully, I am confused how this could be taken as an argument at all against homosexuality...especially with all of the above information.

Again, pretty straight forward. Do you have a rebuttal, because at this point most people start committing logical fallacies and holding their hands to their ears saying "nuh-uh!" You seem intelligent though, so I doubt we will run into this.

Also, I love WICKED.

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OnexShortDay

All Christians who have ever been Christians or will ever be Christians should know that this topic is a lie. Being against gay mariage does not mean you are a bad Christian. He is right when he says not to judge people, but he's twisting it into what sounds like he's right. That's what t.v. preachers do. I have two verses that will show i'm right.

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor theives, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God." - 1 Corinthians 6: 9-11

Which is saying that even though you have done all of these sins, including homosexuality, Jesus died on the cross for you to save you from it. Even though people do these sins to this day you can and should repent for it.

"Realizing the fact the law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebelious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers and mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted." - 1 Timothy 1: 9-11

So, in short, you completely ignored any of the previous posts and decided to just throw a post in without reading so much as the latest page?

[Noct 9]

Militant Christian

OnexShortDay

All Christians who have ever been Christians or will ever be Christians should know that this topic is a lie. Being against gay mariage does not mean you are a bad Christian. He is right when he says not to judge people, but he's twisting it into what sounds like he's right. That's what t.v. preachers do. I have two verses that will show i'm right.

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor theives, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God." - 1 Corinthians 6: 9-11

Which is saying that even though you have done all of these sins, including homosexuality, Jesus died on the cross for you to save you from it. Even though people do these sins to this day you can and should repent for it.

"Realizing the fact the law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebelious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers and mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted." - 1 Timothy 1: 9-11

So, in short, you completely ignored any of the previous posts and decided to just throw a post in without reading so much as the latest page?

Seems like it. stressed