If you are against gay marriage, you are a bad Christian.

[The Homesick Abortion]

inconvenient_mindset

Gho the Girl

inconvenient_mindset

Dark Lord Drake

inconvenient_mindset

ok i am so not in tune with the christian bible or anything. ive never read it or even thought about it. i wasnt born christian and im not now. but i think that gay people should get just as many rights as everyone else. love is love. thats all there is. who are you to say that two people cant love eachother and get married? who are you to say that it is wrong and disgusting? who the f**k do some of these people think they are? if this was so horrible, god wouldnt have made it an option!!! holy s**t some people piss me off with their ignorance and intolerance.

You aren't in tune with logic either. Just because something is wrong doesn't mean God won't give you the option to do it. Otherwise there would be no sins. So obviously God does allow things He disapproves of. Think before you speak next time.

so just because it isnt YOUR personal choice, means that it is wrong??? it doesnt affect YOU as a person in any way. if two love each other that should be enough.

Gay isn't a choice.

Plus, are you saying that a 13 yr old and a 25 yr old who love eachother should be treated with the same respect as an adult consenting couple?

that is COMPLETELY different.

Actually, no it isn't. Your argument was this: "If two love each other, isn't that enough?"
Well, why are you changing your argument now?

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totally unrelated. stop trying to make this something that it is not.

Stop backpedalling and just admit you made a weak argument

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how is that AT ALL similar to gay marriage???????

Gho didn't say that it was. YOU did by saying "if two love each other". You never limited age.

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people also claim that if gay marriage is allowed, so will beastiality. nonsense. totally different.

You're right, it is....but you still used an argument that allows for it. THAT is the point Gho is making.
If you're going to side with gay rights then yay, but PLEASE don't use arguments that suck so badly.
"Love is love" is essentially the argument you made. It allows for ***** and bestiality EASILY

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people with no real intelligence trying to look for extreme and oppisite end of the spectrum examples to scare people into agreement.

Please think before you post

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have you ever known a gay person?

Gho and myself are both gay. Now don't you feel stupid?

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i challenge you to befriend 1 gay or lesbian person, and THEN say that it is disgusting, wrong, and similar to the random example you gave.

He didn't say it was genius. Please, learn to ******** read and think before posting. You made a crap argument, he called you on it. Simple s**t really.

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but whatever. im jewish. i really dont care about being a good christian, and if in fact doing so has to include intolerance and hatred, i am done wasting time here.

You didn't even read a single post in this thread huh?
You made an argument that is self-destructive to the gay marriage argument. Your exact words were:

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if two love each other that should be enough

That's it. No specification of age, consent, or species. Gho called you on this point so that you'd realize why that argument sucks. Instead you throw a fit rather than thinking "hey, he's got a point. Maybe I should solidify my points a bit more before saying something that'll cause me to backpedal in my next post".
He didn't attack you. He didn't attack gays. YOU shoved a lot of words in his mouth here with no reasoning whatsoever.
Do you get it now?

The reason Gho, and I for that matter, did this is so that you can form a stronger argument and actually help to convince people out of their bigotry. Yes, there are friendlier ways of doing it I suppose but that's null. A team is only as strong as its weakest link or, in this case, its weakest argument.

[Gho the Girl]

inconvenient_mindset

Gho the Girl

inconvenient_mindset

Dark Lord Drake

inconvenient_mindset

ok i am so not in tune with the christian bible or anything. ive never read it or even thought about it. i wasnt born christian and im not now. but i think that gay people should get just as many rights as everyone else. love is love. thats all there is. who are you to say that two people cant love eachother and get married? who are you to say that it is wrong and disgusting? who the f**k do some of these people think they are? if this was so horrible, god wouldnt have made it an option!!! holy s**t some people piss me off with their ignorance and intolerance.

You aren't in tune with logic either. Just because something is wrong doesn't mean God won't give you the option to do it. Otherwise there would be no sins. So obviously God does allow things He disapproves of. Think before you speak next time.

so just because it isnt YOUR personal choice, means that it is wrong??? it doesnt affect YOU as a person in any way. if two love each other that should be enough.

Gay isn't a choice.

Plus, are you saying that a 13 yr old and a 25 yr old who love eachother should be treated with the same respect as an adult consenting couple?

that is COMPLETELY different. totally unrelated.

But "who are you to say that two people cant love eachother and get married? "

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stop trying to make this something that it is not.

Actually, I'm pointing out how your argument for gay equality actually hurts gay equality. Gay equality isn't about "anyone being able to marry who they want to" becuase if we do that, then why not allow 13 and 25 yr old couplings?

I mean it's ALL ABOUT LOVE right?

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how is that AT ALL similar to gay marriage???????

It isn't, but your generalization opened the door. Next time think before you speak.

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people also claim that if gay marriage is allowed, so will beastiality. nonsense. totally different.

Do try to play catch up here. I'm speaking of your poor argument and what it does for my equality.

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people with no real intelligence trying to look for extreme and oppisite end of the spectrum examples to scare people into agreement.

Whic isn't what I'm doing.

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have you ever known a gay person?

I am gay.

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i challenge you to befriend 1 gay or lesbian person, and THEN say that it is disgusting, wrong, and similar to the random example you gave.

Ok, fine, will my boyfriend count as my friend?

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but whatever. im jewish. i really dont care about being a good christian, and if in fact doing so has to include intolerance and hatred, i am done wasting time here.

Well too bad, because you could have learned a valuable lesson about how to better help equality instead of feed into the very arguments that will be used against us.

But go ahead.

[Gho the Girl]

The Homesick Abortion

A team is only as strong as its weakest link or, in this case, its weakest argument.

Then I hate to say it but we're ******** man.

[linaloki]

So, I'm far behind, and thanks to my PC not having internet access for a while, as well as the PC Plague or somesuch, I can't respond to Barry or anyone else just yet. It'll come... eventually. >.<

From what I can see, the opposing forces aren't much improved...

[Gho the Girl]

linaloki

So, I'm far behind, and thanks to my PC not having internet access for a while, as well as the PC Plague or somesuch, I can't respond to Barry or anyone else just yet. It'll come... eventually. >.<

From what I can see, the opposing forces aren't much improved...

You seriously aren't missing much. Don't fret.

[Musik des Mondes]

I have no problem at all with gay marriage. (Or gay anything as long as it's within a real marriage.) The only thing that provokes me is that anyone would openly discuss their sexual relationship. (Of any orientation.)

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

Musik des Mondes

I have no problem at all with gay marriage.

Excellent.
*cuts another notch in his belt*

Musik des Mondes

(Or gay anything as long as it's within a real marriage.)

Not to play with fire, but what about actions outside of a marriage?

Musik des Mondes

The only thing that provokes me is that anyone would openly discuss their sexual relationship. (Of any orientation.)

Why?
What's wrong with being sexually open?

[Fira Arnithe]

I can't claim to have ever read the Bible...but I've never actually heard someone quote anything from there that says gays can't get married. (Correct me if I'm wrong, here...please!)
Besides, what about "separation of Church and State?" And "freedom to pursue happiness, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's freedoms?"
The Church's opinions SHOULDN'T MATTER in marriage. It is a LAWFUL union of two people. Not letting gays get married not only restricts their freedoms, it is CLEARLY unconstitutional. (Sorry for diluting this to a US issue, other countries. I'm egocentric at heart.)

[Musik des Mondes]

Elf Lord Chiewn

Musik des Mondes

I have no problem at all with gay marriage.

Excellent.
*cuts another notch in his belt*

Musik des Mondes

(Or gay anything as long as it's within a real marriage.)

Not to play with fire, but what about actions outside of a marriage?

Musik des Mondes

The only thing that provokes me is that anyone would openly discuss their sexual relationship. (Of any orientation.)

Why?
What's wrong with being sexually open?

Being sexually open is good, when necessary. Sexual activities outside of marriage (in my opinion) should be things like kissing, hugging, holding hands, and very mild touching.

[Gho the Girl]

Musik des Mondes

Elf Lord Chiewn

Musik des Mondes

I have no problem at all with gay marriage.

Excellent.
*cuts another notch in his belt*

Musik des Mondes

(Or gay anything as long as it's within a real marriage.)

Not to play with fire, but what about actions outside of a marriage?

Musik des Mondes

The only thing that provokes me is that anyone would openly discuss their sexual relationship. (Of any orientation.)

Why?
What's wrong with being sexually open?

Being sexually open is good, when necessary. Sexual activities outside of marriage (in my opinion) should be things like kissing, hugging, holding hands, and very mild touching.

Those things are sexual activities?

Wow, then I'm way more of a slut than I thought, and apparently, bisexual.

[Musik des Mondes]

Gho the Girl

Musik des Mondes

Elf Lord Chiewn

Musik des Mondes

I have no problem at all with gay marriage.

Excellent.
*cuts another notch in his belt*

Musik des Mondes

(Or gay anything as long as it's within a real marriage.)

Not to play with fire, but what about actions outside of a marriage?

Musik des Mondes

The only thing that provokes me is that anyone would openly discuss their sexual relationship. (Of any orientation.)

Why?
What's wrong with being sexually open?

Being sexually open is good, when necessary. Sexual activities outside of marriage (in my opinion) should be things like kissing, hugging, holding hands, and very mild touching.

Those things are sexual activities?

Wow, then I'm way more of a slut than I thought, and apparently, bisexual.

Really. I just think that it's better to save yourself for marriage. Don't be hating. talk2hand

[error-dot-tar]

Musik des Mondes

Gho the Girl

Musik des Mondes

Elf Lord Chiewn

Musik des Mondes

I have no problem at all with gay marriage.

Excellent.
*cuts another notch in his belt*

Musik des Mondes

(Or gay anything as long as it's within a real marriage.)

Not to play with fire, but what about actions outside of a marriage?

Musik des Mondes

The only thing that provokes me is that anyone would openly discuss their sexual relationship. (Of any orientation.)

Why?
What's wrong with being sexually open?

Being sexually open is good, when necessary. Sexual activities outside of marriage (in my opinion) should be things like kissing, hugging, holding hands, and very mild touching.

Those things are sexual activities?

Wow, then I'm way more of a slut than I thought, and apparently, bisexual.

Really. I just think that it's better to save yourself for marriage. Don't be hating. talk2hand

Why?

And what of those that can't get married?

[Musik des Mondes]

error[dot]exe

Musik des Mondes

Gho the Girl

Musik des Mondes

Elf Lord Chiewn

Excellent.
*cuts another notch in his belt*


Not to play with fire, but what about actions outside of a marriage?


Why?
What's wrong with being sexually open?

Being sexually open is good, when necessary. Sexual activities outside of marriage (in my opinion) should be things like kissing, hugging, holding hands, and very mild touching.

Those things are sexual activities?

Wow, then I'm way more of a slut than I thought, and apparently, bisexual.

Really. I just think that it's better to save yourself for marriage. Don't be hating. talk2hand

Why?

And what of those that can't get married?

No, I think gay people should be able to get married. That way they can enjoy marriage.

[error-dot-tar]

Musik des Mondes

error[dot]exe

Musik des Mondes

Gho the Girl

Musik des Mondes

Elf Lord Chiewn

Excellent.
*cuts another notch in his belt*


Not to play with fire, but what about actions outside of a marriage?


Why?
What's wrong with being sexually open?

Being sexually open is good, when necessary. Sexual activities outside of marriage (in my opinion) should be things like kissing, hugging, holding hands, and very mild touching.

Those things are sexual activities?

Wow, then I'm way more of a slut than I thought, and apparently, bisexual.

Really. I just think that it's better to save yourself for marriage. Don't be hating. talk2hand

Why?

And what of those that can't get married?

No, I think gay people should be able to get married. That way they can enjoy marriage.

They should be able to, but that doesn't mean they can at the moment.

So until they're able to, should they practice celibacy? Why?

Also, same sex couples are not the only people that are not permitted marriage.

[Musik des Mondes]

error[dot]exe

Musik des Mondes

error[dot]exe

Musik des Mondes

Gho the Girl

Those things are sexual activities?

Wow, then I'm way more of a slut than I thought, and apparently, bisexual.

Really. I just think that it's better to save yourself for marriage. Don't be hating. talk2hand

Why?

And what of those that can't get married?

No, I think gay people should be able to get married. That way they can enjoy marriage.

They should be able to, but that doesn't mean they can at the moment.

So until they're able to, should they practice celibacy? Why?

Also, same sex couples are not the only people that are not permitted marriage.

I know. People of any sexual preference should be allowed to marry.