If you are against gay marriage, you are a bad Christian.

[Celeblin Galadeneryn]

Aetherius Lamia

Ben-Oni Darkness

Ok lets do this again. Romans 14:7 deems all food clean. Those laws were weritten during the time of moses, they were methods of dealing with certain situations, not a law concerning morals like the ten commandments or leviticuss 18:22 again all who are thinking about quoting the west wing check out my video response.

Uh ... "None of us lives for oneself, and no one dies for oneself." -- Romans 14.7

More specifically, there's some story in the NT where some guy -- I think Paul, actually -- has a vision, where God tells him all animals are now okay to eat.

No, that's Peter.

[Aetherius Lamia]

Celeblin Galadeneryn

Aetherius Lamia

Uh ... "None of us lives for oneself, and no one dies for oneself." -- Romans 14.7

More specifically, there's some story in the NT where some guy -- I think Paul, actually -- has a vision, where God tells him all animals are now okay to eat.

No, that's Peter.

Gah, I knew it was a P-person.

The second half of the last page sucked, by the way. This phenomenon seems more common on Gaia than anywhere else I've seen: people bicker with each other, and they senselessly drag around between six and ten quotations in every post.

I'm with Marshal, though. If you're going to quote something, cite the source (translation of Bible, etc.) And since we're an online community, an online source is preferable (so we don't have to obtain a physical copy to verify things ...)

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

orome40

Ok here's one thing. Debating what God likes and doesn't like doesn't give him any glory at all.

So?

orome40

Yes he does say to love everyone, but to NOT ASSOCIATE with them.

Oh, that's from Fabrications 3, right?

Funny, I don't seem to recall any stories where Yeshua hung out with the "in" crowd. I remember something about him hanging out with prostitutes and a bunch of idiot disciples, though.

orome40

We are his desciples, therefore we tell others about Christ, then let the holy spirit do the rest.

That doesn't sound like discipleship.

orome40

Yes it's ok to be forgiving and loving, but those who don't repent don't go to heaven. It's as simple as that!

That isn't simple. Forgiveness and love (or love to the point of forgiveness, arguably) are the crux of Yeshua's philosophy, and love is the crux of YHWH's.

Repentance and heaven and whatever else have nothing whatsoever to do with the point of Christianity.

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

Aetherius Lamia

The second half of the last page sucked, by the way. This phenomenon seems more common on Gaia than anywhere else I've seen: people bicker with each other, and they senselessly drag around between six and ten quotations in every post.

I'm with Marshal, though. If you're going to quote something, cite the source (translation of Bible, etc.) And since we're an online community, an online source is preferable (so we don't have to obtain a physical copy to verify things ...)

Much of this thread sucks, to be entirely fair.

See also: "I leave for X, and look what happens"

[TeaDidikai]

Elf Lord Chiewn

orome40

Yes he does say to love everyone, but to NOT ASSOCIATE with them.

Oh, that's from Fabrications 3, right?

Funny, I don't seem to recall any stories where Yeshua hung out with the "in" crowd. I remember something about him hanging out with prostitutes and a bunch of idiot disciples, though.

And tax collectors. The Ancient World's equivalent of a Muscle based racketeering scam given the corruption in the Roman colonies.

[Aetherius Lamia]

orome40

Yes he does say to love everyone, but to NOT ASSOCIATE with them.

Yet Jesus hung out with sinners ... hm ... edit: I s'pose this point's already been addressed. Nevermind ...

orome40

those who don't repent don't go to heaven. It's as simple as that!

It interests me how you phrase that. "Don't go to heaven," rather than "Don't go to God." It sounds to me like you're saying, "those who don't repent don't get the reward." You don't seem to be focusing on a relationship with God, but rather a system of rewards and punishment, something far more self-centered, and thus not Christian. See Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis ... Christians are arguably happiest -- closest to God -- when they lose themselves by helping/serving others. Thus you are to be humble (not think highly of yourself), charitable (not care too much about yourself), etc. We are to be like children: completely dependent on God. We pray, "Give us this day our daily bread," relying on God for our needs. That is, we aren't even to concern ourselves with taking care of ourselves! If you do God's will, God will provide for you. I can't think of a single moment in the Bible where God says, "I want you to do this for yourself."

... There are, however, many Psalms where people are crying out to God, "save me from these wicked people. Punish them and show that I am good." I guess Jewish thought is significantly different from Christian thought, thus the controversy of the Old and New Testaments not meshing ...

Maybe I'm projecting my own views about the concept of heaven onto what you've said. Just a thought.

[TeaDidikai]

Aetherius Lamia

It interests me how you phrase that. "Don't go to heaven." Not, "Don't go to God." It sounds to me like you're saying, "those who don't repent don't get the reward." You don't seem to be focusing on a relationship with God, but rather a system of rewards and punishment, something far more self-centered.

Maybe I'm projecting my own views about the concept of heaven onto what you've said. Just a thought.

To be fair- it strikes me as simply a very base understanding of the dynamic of forgiveness, love, penance, sin and salvation.

I mean- can we truly state what it means to have the Holy Spirit in our hearts? The feeling of that presence?

While I think his post is simple almost to the point of being insulting, I can understand how someone who is perhaps a touch of an ignostic, or just not poetic enough would focus on the more pedantic elements of faith.

[Aetherius Lamia]

I like how I edit the same post eight times. rolleyes (See my previous post now.) I think I'm putting words in orome's mouth, actually; I feel I should apologize.

[Jou of Darkness]

Dark Lord Drake

Jou of Darkness

This might sound a little off topic, but what about the animals who are homosexual by nature? They would be the ones who act more closely to a godly standard, right?
Anyways, the bible was written in a time when your medicine was limited to your knowledge of nearby herbs and many people of all ages died because of illnesses. If there was any discouragement of homosexuality, it would have been because it would be considered a "waste of sperm" that could have impregnated a woman and given another human a chance to live and reproduce. Now that the human population is over six billion and isn't showing signs of slowing, any law that was created to reduce sperm waste would clearly be ineffective today.
Plus, Christianity is supposed to promote peace, is it not? Why are so many fighting about this or anything else for that matter? Please take my apologies if this offends anyone, I don't mean to compare people to animals or anything like that. sweatdrop I guess you don't really have to listen to what I have to say since I'm not Christian myself, but everyone else I live with is.

Ugh that is terrible reasoning to assume natural = closer to God's standard. Considering how murder and infanticide appear natural to some animals and all...
Next the medicine thing doesn't prove that is the reason something is written. You're just plain guessing it was.

I said sorry, you don't have to be an a**. Loosen up and watch Baraka, the movie I'm partly basing my opinions on.

[Aetherius Lamia]

Jou, many people you'll find in this board, particularly in this thread, like to be rude. You'll find demeaning accusations of logical fallacies, and comments like "if you ever read your Bible, you'd know/learn ..."

Maybe it's frustration from hanging out here and seeing the same arguments ad nauseam. I tend to agree with C.S. Lewis, whom I should probably stop mentioning: people who think they're on the right track are often tempted with pride, and with pride comes arrogance.

[Dark Lord Drake]

Jou of Darkness

Dark Lord Drake

Jou of Darkness

This might sound a little off topic, but what about the animals who are homosexual by nature? They would be the ones who act more closely to a godly standard, right?
Anyways, the bible was written in a time when your medicine was limited to your knowledge of nearby herbs and many people of all ages died because of illnesses. If there was any discouragement of homosexuality, it would have been because it would be considered a "waste of sperm" that could have impregnated a woman and given another human a chance to live and reproduce. Now that the human population is over six billion and isn't showing signs of slowing, any law that was created to reduce sperm waste would clearly be ineffective today.
Plus, Christianity is supposed to promote peace, is it not? Why are so many fighting about this or anything else for that matter? Please take my apologies if this offends anyone, I don't mean to compare people to animals or anything like that. sweatdrop I guess you don't really have to listen to what I have to say since I'm not Christian myself, but everyone else I live with is.

Ugh that is terrible reasoning to assume natural = closer to God's standard. Considering how murder and infanticide appear natural to some animals and all...
Next the medicine thing doesn't prove that is the reason something is written. You're just plain guessing it was.

I said sorry, you don't have to be an a**. Loosen up and watch Baraka, the movie I'm partly basing my opinions on.

Sorry, it just annoys me to see that same argument used repeatedly all over.

[Marshal67]

Jou of Darkness

Dark Lord Drake

Jou of Darkness

This might sound a little off topic, but what about the animals who are homosexual by nature? They would be the ones who act more closely to a godly standard, right?
Anyways, the bible was written in a time when your medicine was limited to your knowledge of nearby herbs and many people of all ages died because of illnesses. If there was any discouragement of homosexuality, it would have been because it would be considered a "waste of sperm" that could have impregnated a woman and given another human a chance to live and reproduce. Now that the human population is over six billion and isn't showing signs of slowing, any law that was created to reduce sperm waste would clearly be ineffective today.
Plus, Christianity is supposed to promote peace, is it not? Why are so many fighting about this or anything else for that matter? Please take my apologies if this offends anyone, I don't mean to compare people to animals or anything like that. sweatdrop I guess you don't really have to listen to what I have to say since I'm not Christian myself, but everyone else I live with is.

Ugh that is terrible reasoning to assume natural = closer to God's standard. Considering how murder and infanticide appear natural to some animals and all...
Next the medicine thing doesn't prove that is the reason something is written. You're just plain guessing it was.

I said sorry, you don't have to be an a**. Loosen up and watch Baraka, the movie I'm partly basing my opinions on.

If you want hugs and happy feelings ED probably is not the best place for you. Not everyone here has a love commandment to be wary of.

[Oh My Master]

The Homesick Abortion

Ben-Oni Darkness

God-Emperor Fluffzors IV

linaloki

Ben-Oni Darkness

linaloki

Are you a Jew?



Are you illiterate?



Do you know what a mistranslation is?



Congrats. $5 says you mention something about "moral law" verses "ceremonial law", which is a load of made up BS.

a man shall not lie with a man as he lies with a woman that is an abomination

Leviticus 18:22

"do not" means "do not" and nothing more.

THE END

I simply mention in that video all the things mr president so conveinietly forgot to mention.

Well, then. Here's something YOU might've forgotten about.

There's this dude named JESUS. He showed up and kinda said, "HEY. I'mma DIE for your SINS. So, those old laws? Unless I give them the thumbs up, you can trash them, 'k? 'K."

Unless you don't eat fish, don't shave, throw women on their periods out of the town and burn all they touch, and don't wear mixed cloth, your hypocrisy abounds. Not to mention, lesbians can party all through the night with that verse. Sexually.

Oh, and stay the great green f**k away from ham. Oh, and hey Loki. xD

Ok lets do this again. Romans 14:7 deems all food clean. Those laws were weritten during the time of moses, they were methods of dealing with certain situations, not a law concerning morals like the ten commandments or leviticuss 18:22 again all who are thinking about quoting the west wing check out my video response.

Stop acting like a child and learn to read kid. Nobody here has EVER quoted the damned West Wing and nobody could give less of a damn about your video response to it (Because wow, you responded to a TV show. Aren't you amazing?). Either prove Christ a liar or stop saying he is one.
YOU are making up specifications that are never made in the text. Christ fulfilled the law. End of story. Repeating yourself doesn't make you any less wrong and really all you're doing is spamming the forum.
Prove Leviticus still stands as a law when Christ makes it clear it doesn't. Prove there is a distinction in types of law and that such a distinction is made by Christ when he says he's fulfilled the law.
Oh, and do it without spitting in God's proverbial face. I'm rather bored of watching you do that.

Oh it doesn't matter if you try and get off by saying Leviticus is wrong (wich it isn't) homosexuality is condemned in the new testament as well Corinthians 6:9 Romans 1:26-28. THE END. oh and thanks for ponting this out try 7:14 Romans. also I don't think im special I just get tired of people quoting that stupid video. so before they even try I ask them to watch my response. I never said anything about being special that'd be dumb.

[error-dot-tar]

Ben-Oni Darkness

Oh it doesn't matter if you try and get off by saying Leviticus is wrong (wich it isn't) homosexuality is condemned in the new testament as well Corinthians 6:9 Romans 1:26-28. THE END.

Quick question.

Do you have anything that Jesus said, not Paul?

[Marshal67]

error[dot]exe

Ben-Oni Darkness

Oh it doesn't matter if you try and get off by saying Leviticus is wrong (wich it isn't) homosexuality is condemned in the new testament as well Corinthians 6:9 Romans 1:26-28. THE END.

Quick question.

Do you have anything that Jesus said, not Paul?

That argument won't work for the typical Bible believing Christian. If it is in the Bible, Jesus did say it, through belonging to the trinity, regardless of mortal author.