Gay marriage

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I don't care if gay marriage is legal or not, and I won't try to help it become legal. I have things I could be worrying about that are actually important.

how is human rights not important?

It's not like gay people are stopped from being together. I don't want to help people get their panties in knots over not being able to get papers saying they're married, which as people say, usually end in divorce anyway.

its not even about that!

did you know, that if a gay couple have been together for 30 years and one of them gets sick and gets put in the hospital, the other cant legally visit them because they arent married? and they have no power of attorney for the person that they love?

its about a lot more then just being able to say "hey were are married" its about being able to have the same rights as heterosexual married couples.

Yeah, I know. Doesn't mean I have to support it. I could be doing something that helps against actual problems. Like HIV, or kids shooting up other kids.

you are horribly close-minded.

Yep. Nothing else matters. Just one thing I say on a forum.

If I were to support everything people on Gaia told me to support, and was called a bad and close minded person for not doing it, I'd be supporting: Gays, Abortion, Illegal Drugs, Anti-Circumcision, vampires, otherkin, BDSM practicers, bisexuals, and more.

I have not said any of these are bad. I've said I don't want to support them.

You're horribly close-minded for not supporting me in my decision of not supporting gays.

[Wacko Quacko]

It's legal where I live, but I don't think it's legal for them to donate blood here. That's the next step for this state.

Anyway, I saw this in someone's journal. It is epic. It's why gay marriage should be illegal. (Of course, it's sarcastic.)

01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.


02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.


03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.


04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn’t changed at all like many of the principles on which this great country was founded; women are still property, blacks still can’t marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.


05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of marriages like Britney Spears’ 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.


06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn’t be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren’t full yet, and the world needs more children.


07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.


08 ) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That’s why we have only one religion in America.


09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That’s why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.


10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven’t adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.

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It's not like gay people are stopped from being together. I don't want to help people get their panties in knots over not being able to get papers saying they're married, which as people say, usually end in divorce anyway.

its not even about that!

did you know, that if a gay couple have been together for 30 years and one of them gets sick and gets put in the hospital, the other cant legally visit them because they arent married? and they have no power of attorney for the person that they love?

its about a lot more then just being able to say "hey were are married" its about being able to have the same rights as heterosexual married couples.

Yeah, I know. Doesn't mean I have to support it. I could be doing something that helps against actual problems. Like HIV, or kids shooting up other kids.

you are horribly close-minded.

Yep. Nothing else matters. Just one thing I say on a forum.

If I were to support everything people on Gaia told me to support, and was called a bad and close minded person for not doing it, I'd be supporting: Gays, Abortion, Illegal Drugs, Anti-Circumcision, vampires, otherkin, BDSM practicers, bisexuals, and more.

I have not said any of these are bad. I've said I don't want to support them.

You're horribly close-minded for not supporting me in my decision of not supporting gays.

you said its not an actual problem, thats why you are close minded.

[xLady Tsukiyox]

My argument that not only is homosexuality okay but so is gay marriage:

-steps on soapbox-

I'm going to go over key verses and explain what the Bible doesn't say about Homosexuality and why you shouldn't really pay pastors any mind. biggrin

First up is Leviticus

Leviticus 18:22 NIV

22 Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

Now what's interesting about Leviticus is that it's apart of the OT. As many of you know, the OT is the first 5 books of the Torah, Tankh. As many of you know or should know is that the Torah is Jewish law. Now why should a Christian follow Jewish law? Since when were Christians Jewish? Leviticus refers to Jewish priests not Homosexuals.

Now in Deuteronomy 23:17, Canaanites had male and female prostitutes. The Hebrew word for male prostitute is actually qadesh not Sodomite. What your pastor told you happens to be a mistranslation. Also it's referring to idolatry being an abomination. They considered same sex relations to be idolatrous not adulterous.

Leviticus 20:13 NIV

13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

An abomination is something that God finds to be unclean. There are many things that God deems as unclean like shrimp for example.

However according to Galataians 3:22-25, we are no longer required to follow Jewish Law.

Galatians 3:22-25 NIV

22But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ[a] that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Now onto Romans.

ROMANS 1:24-27

4Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Many of the NT books don't actually talk about homosexual relationships, they're actually quite silent on them. Paul is the only author of the NT books to even mention it. Must make him feel pretty special right? However, Romans refers to the same thing Leviticus refers to, in regards to homosexuality, idolatry.

Paul is actually describing to God in an "unnatural way" by accepting the Gentile Christians. Unnatural does not refer to that of which isn't nature but the contradiction of one's own nature. Because of this we should view a person who either gay or lesbian as being "unnatural" trying to live as a straight person.

The interesting thing about Romans 1:26 is that this could be the only reference of lesbianism in the Bible, it's plausible but not really possible. However, this verse could actually be referring to women having a more dominant role, it's possible, seeing that during Paul's time, his culture was very repressive and restrictive of women.

The homosexual acts described in Roman 1:27 aren't the same acts that we see today. The homosexual acts we see today are more loving and caring than what they were in Paul's time. In those days, it was more idolatrous.

Next up: Corinthians.

I CORINTHIANS 6:9

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

This is a mistranslation. Sorry guys. What Paul was really condemning was those who were effeminate and abusers of mankind. People have unmasked the homophobic undertones of this verse. The first word Malkos which in Greek is effeminate isn't taking about guys who act like women. Sorry but no. It's talking about those who lack any discipline or any moral control. The second word arsenokoitai which occurs once in Corinthians and once in Timothy, but it doesn't occur in any other book. It comes from two Greek words, one meaning male, the other being bed. It's a euphemism for sexual intercourse. There were other Greek words were commonly used to refer to homosexuality, however, but the don't appear in this book. Taking a closer look at Corinthians we can tell that Paul was actually concerned with Prostitutes, not Gays. However people have translated this verse, the problem is they did it incorrectly. Compared to the original Hebrew and Greek versions, this verse is completely different.


In short, there is no law, no condemnation or a sin against Homosexuality. There is nothing wrong with it. God is not against the current version of homosexuality. Many people who are Gay, Lesbian, Bi, Transgender, etc are not only in committed relationships but love each other like a straight couple would. What you guys are doing is wrongly judging homosexuals. Refer to Matthew 7:1.

Also, Paul made it very very clear in Galatians.

Galatians 5:14: "The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

What you guys are doing isn't what Paul or even Jesus commanded. You are ignoring the Law of Agape. You guys should be ashamed of yourself. Seriously.

Stop listening to what your pastors teach you. Try taking about Hebrew and Greek in order to find out the true meaning of the Bible. Don't believe everything the Bible says at face value. Dig deeper into it. There is a lot more than what you see.

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It's not like gay people are stopped from being together. I don't want to help people get their panties in knots over not being able to get papers saying they're married, which as people say, usually end in divorce anyway.

its not even about that!

did you know, that if a gay couple have been together for 30 years and one of them gets sick and gets put in the hospital, the other cant legally visit them because they arent married? and they have no power of attorney for the person that they love?

its about a lot more then just being able to say "hey were are married" its about being able to have the same rights as heterosexual married couples.

Yeah, I know. Doesn't mean I have to support it. I could be doing something that helps against actual problems. Like HIV, or kids shooting up other kids.

you are horribly close-minded.

Yep. Nothing else matters. Just one thing I say on a forum.

If I were to support everything people on Gaia told me to support, and was called a bad and close minded person for not doing it, I'd be supporting: Gays, Abortion, Illegal Drugs, Anti-Circumcision, vampires, otherkin, BDSM practicers, bisexuals, and more.

I have not said any of these are bad. I've said I don't want to support them.

You're horribly close-minded for not supporting me in my decision of not supporting gays.

you said its not an actual problem, thats why you are close minded.

Oh, of course. I will say that HIV is a problem, I will say kids shooting other kids is a problem. But it doesn't matter. Since I don't think because gays can't visit their lover in the hospital or that it's apparently illegal for them to have sex in Wisconsin is a problem, nothing else in the world matters. I'm close minded.

I can't marry my dog. He's the same gender as I and I've had him for 14 years. Also, he can't visit me in the hospital, and it's most likely illegal for me to have sex with him. You're close minded if you don't believe this is a problem. He should have the same rights as I do, and I should have the right to marry whatever I want.

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Yeah, I know. Doesn't mean I have to support it. I could be doing something that helps against actual problems. Like HIV, or kids shooting up other kids.

you are horribly close-minded.

Yep. Nothing else matters. Just one thing I say on a forum.

If I were to support everything people on Gaia told me to support, and was called a bad and close minded person for not doing it, I'd be supporting: Gays, Abortion, Illegal Drugs, Anti-Circumcision, vampires, otherkin, BDSM practicers, bisexuals, and more.

I have not said any of these are bad. I've said I don't want to support them.

You're horribly close-minded for not supporting me in my decision of not supporting gays.

you said its not an actual problem, thats why you are close minded.

Oh, of course. I will say that HIV is a problem, I will say kids shooting other kids is a problem. But it doesn't matter. Since I don't think because gays can't visit their lover in the hospital or that it's apparently illegal for them to have sex in Wisconsin is a problem, nothing else in the world matters. I'm close minded.

I can't marry my dog. He's the same gender as I and I've had him for 14 years. Also, he can't visit me in the hospital, and it's most likely illegal for me to have sex with him. You're close minded if you don't believe this is a problem. He should have the same rights as I do, and I should have the right to marry whatever I want.

You're incredibly ignorant you know that. Read my post above yours.

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Yeah, I know. Doesn't mean I have to support it. I could be doing something that helps against actual problems. Like HIV, or kids shooting up other kids.

you are horribly close-minded.

Yep. Nothing else matters. Just one thing I say on a forum.

If I were to support everything people on Gaia told me to support, and was called a bad and close minded person for not doing it, I'd be supporting: Gays, Abortion, Illegal Drugs, Anti-Circumcision, vampires, otherkin, BDSM practicers, bisexuals, and more.

I have not said any of these are bad. I've said I don't want to support them.

You're horribly close-minded for not supporting me in my decision of not supporting gays.

you said its not an actual problem, thats why you are close minded.

Oh, of course. I will say that HIV is a problem, I will say kids shooting other kids is a problem. But it doesn't matter. Since I don't think because gays can't visit their lover in the hospital or that it's apparently illegal for them to have sex in Wisconsin is a problem, nothing else in the world matters. I'm close minded.

I can't marry my dog. He's the same gender as I and I've had him for 14 years. Also, he can't visit me in the hospital, and it's most likely illegal for me to have sex with him. You're close minded if you don't believe this is a problem. He should have the same rights as I do, and I should have the right to marry whatever I want.

you just compared the life of a human being to a dog...

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Yeah, I know. Doesn't mean I have to support it. I could be doing something that helps against actual problems. Like HIV, or kids shooting up other kids.

you are horribly close-minded.

Yep. Nothing else matters. Just one thing I say on a forum.

If I were to support everything people on Gaia told me to support, and was called a bad and close minded person for not doing it, I'd be supporting: Gays, Abortion, Illegal Drugs, Anti-Circumcision, vampires, otherkin, BDSM practicers, bisexuals, and more.

I have not said any of these are bad. I've said I don't want to support them.

You're horribly close-minded for not supporting me in my decision of not supporting gays.

you said its not an actual problem, thats why you are close minded.

Oh, of course. I will say that HIV is a problem, I will say kids shooting other kids is a problem. But it doesn't matter. Since I don't think because gays can't visit their lover in the hospital or that it's apparently illegal for them to have sex in Wisconsin is a problem, nothing else in the world matters. I'm close minded.

I can't marry my dog. He's the same gender as I and I've had him for 14 years. Also, he can't visit me in the hospital, and it's most likely illegal for me to have sex with him. You're close minded if you don't believe this is a problem. He should have the same rights as I do, and I should have the right to marry whatever I want.

you just compared the life of a human being to a dog...

So dogs don't deserve the same rights as humans? You are very close-minded.

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Yeah, I know. Doesn't mean I have to support it. I could be doing something that helps against actual problems. Like HIV, or kids shooting up other kids.

you are horribly close-minded.

Yep. Nothing else matters. Just one thing I say on a forum.

If I were to support everything people on Gaia told me to support, and was called a bad and close minded person for not doing it, I'd be supporting: Gays, Abortion, Illegal Drugs, Anti-Circumcision, vampires, otherkin, BDSM practicers, bisexuals, and more.

I have not said any of these are bad. I've said I don't want to support them.

You're horribly close-minded for not supporting me in my decision of not supporting gays.

you said its not an actual problem, thats why you are close minded.

Oh, of course. I will say that HIV is a problem, I will say kids shooting other kids is a problem. But it doesn't matter. Since I don't think because gays can't visit their lover in the hospital or that it's apparently illegal for them to have sex in Wisconsin is a problem, nothing else in the world matters. I'm close minded.

I can't marry my dog. He's the same gender as I and I've had him for 14 years. Also, he can't visit me in the hospital, and it's most likely illegal for me to have sex with him. You're close minded if you don't believe this is a problem. He should have the same rights as I do, and I should have the right to marry whatever I want.

You're incredibly ignorant you know that. Read my post above yours.

What does your post about the bible have anything to do with what I'm talking about? It's not like I'm using the bible to say homosexuality is wrong. Besides, I even said I don't think homosexuality is wrong. I just don't want to support it. I'm a bad person now.

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Yep. Nothing else matters. Just one thing I say on a forum.

If I were to support everything people on Gaia told me to support, and was called a bad and close minded person for not doing it, I'd be supporting: Gays, Abortion, Illegal Drugs, Anti-Circumcision, vampires, otherkin, BDSM practicers, bisexuals, and more.

I have not said any of these are bad. I've said I don't want to support them.

You're horribly close-minded for not supporting me in my decision of not supporting gays.

you said its not an actual problem, thats why you are close minded.

Oh, of course. I will say that HIV is a problem, I will say kids shooting other kids is a problem. But it doesn't matter. Since I don't think because gays can't visit their lover in the hospital or that it's apparently illegal for them to have sex in Wisconsin is a problem, nothing else in the world matters. I'm close minded.

I can't marry my dog. He's the same gender as I and I've had him for 14 years. Also, he can't visit me in the hospital, and it's most likely illegal for me to have sex with him. You're close minded if you don't believe this is a problem. He should have the same rights as I do, and I should have the right to marry whatever I want.

you just compared the life of a human being to a dog...

So dogs don't deserve the same rights as humans? You are very close-minded.

human rights and animal rights are two different topics. go talk to PETA

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I can't marry my dog. He's the same gender as I and I've had him for 14 years. Also, he can't visit me in the hospital, and it's most likely illegal for me to have sex with him. You're close minded if you don't believe this is a problem. He should have the same rights as I do, and I should have the right to marry whatever I want.

Obvious flaw in your hyperbole here is that your dog is not a human, does not have the same legal status as humans, and is not capable of entering into a legal contract, which is what marriage consists of. If you would like to fight to make dogs equal to human beings under the law, have fun with that, though. Not even PETA is that batshit ******** crazy.

But you know all of this, I'm sure - how could anyone not, unless they're just stupid?

Personally, I don't give a ******** whether or not you actually advocate for gay marriage or not. If it doesn't affect you, why should you care? But when you say you "don't want to support it" I'm thinking you mean you'd vote against it if it came up in your state. Correct me if my assumption about your position as a voter is incorrect, but you seem like one of those people who just likes to play devil's advocate to be an a*****e.

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Yep. Nothing else matters. Just one thing I say on a forum.

If I were to support everything people on Gaia told me to support, and was called a bad and close minded person for not doing it, I'd be supporting: Gays, Abortion, Illegal Drugs, Anti-Circumcision, vampires, otherkin, BDSM practicers, bisexuals, and more.

I have not said any of these are bad. I've said I don't want to support them.

You're horribly close-minded for not supporting me in my decision of not supporting gays.

you said its not an actual problem, thats why you are close minded.

Oh, of course. I will say that HIV is a problem, I will say kids shooting other kids is a problem. But it doesn't matter. Since I don't think because gays can't visit their lover in the hospital or that it's apparently illegal for them to have sex in Wisconsin is a problem, nothing else in the world matters. I'm close minded.

I can't marry my dog. He's the same gender as I and I've had him for 14 years. Also, he can't visit me in the hospital, and it's most likely illegal for me to have sex with him. You're close minded if you don't believe this is a problem. He should have the same rights as I do, and I should have the right to marry whatever I want.

you just compared the life of a human being to a dog...

So dogs don't deserve the same rights as humans? You are very close-minded.

human rights and animal rights are two different topics. go talk to PETA

I really want to marry my dog though. This is a problem, can't you see? He cannot visit me in the hospital and cannot have sex with me, most likely.

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Oh. my. God.

A thread about gay marriage? IN THE LD? Self-righteous straight people rambling on and on about gay rights! That's so new, man!

=_=

seriously straight people, what's up with that? why do you care so much, and why are you all so self-righteous about it? stop caring about others! gay people are tired of straight people arguing for their side!

I know plenty of gay people who like people, other then homosexuals, arguing for their rights. Whatever happened to the more the merrier? ._.

I love allies, I hate seeing the same repeat threads over and over in the LD where people seem to think that they're some sort of crusaders introducing totally new, controversial ideas here. That's just obnoxious.

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I can't marry my dog. He's the same gender as I and I've had him for 14 years. Also, he can't visit me in the hospital, and it's most likely illegal for me to have sex with him. You're close minded if you don't believe this is a problem. He should have the same rights as I do, and I should have the right to marry whatever I want.

Obvious flaw in your hyperbole here is that your dog is not a human, does not have the same legal status as humans, and is not capable of entering into a legal contract, which is what marriage consists of. If you would like to fight to make dogs equal to human beings under the law, have fun with that, though. Not even PETA is that batshit ******** crazy.

But you know all of this, I'm sure - how could anyone not, unless they're just stupid?

Personally, I don't give a ******** whether or not you actually advocate for gay marriage or not. If it doesn't affect you, why should you care? But when you say you "don't want to support it" I'm thinking you mean you'd vote against it if it came up in your state. Correct me if my assumption about your position as a voter is incorrect, but you seem like one of those people who just likes to play devil's advocate to be an a*****e.

I wouldn't vote against it or for it.

If I were forced to vote, then I'd actually vote for it. I have no reason to stop people from doing what they want to do in that situation. Does that make me seem like a good guy?

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I can't marry my dog. He's the same gender as I and I've had him for 14 years. Also, he can't visit me in the hospital, and it's most likely illegal for me to have sex with him. You're close minded if you don't believe this is a problem. He should have the same rights as I do, and I should have the right to marry whatever I want.

Obvious flaw in your hyperbole here is that your dog is not a human, does not have the same legal status as humans, and is not capable of entering into a legal contract, which is what marriage consists of. If you would like to fight to make dogs equal to human beings under the law, have fun with that, though. Not even PETA is that batshit ******** crazy.

But you know all of this, I'm sure - how could anyone not, unless they're just stupid?

Personally, I don't give a ******** whether or not you actually advocate for gay marriage or not. If it doesn't affect you, why should you care? But when you say you "don't want to support it" I'm thinking you mean you'd vote against it if it came up in your state. Correct me if my assumption about your position as a voter is incorrect, but you seem like one of those people who just likes to play devil's advocate to be an a*****e.

I wouldn't vote against it or for it.

If I were forced to vote, then I'd actually vote for it. I have no reason to stop people from doing what they want to do in that situation. Does that make me seem like a good guy?

It makes this argument ridiculous because you talk about better things you could be doing yet you're spending useless time discussing it on the internet, when you could be doing these "better things".