The_Fallens_Lullabye
Well seeing as your thread creator you going back on your pages is understandble.
I also came across this at night around 1 in the morning just before heading to bed and my laziness was taking over.
Going in depth is hard and I understand this if only I could write half the stuff I want to.
Yes Quotes always make it seem better.
I try to keep people on there toes helps make a better debate.
I also feel the need to debate both sides seeing as I can see where your coming from but being a fan of Twilight the book (not New Moon it was poorly written and made me have an extreme hate of Bella) I felt the need to protect Edward but now...I really want to argue the abusive side.
A little laziness is allowed. Screens fry brains, anyways.
Oh, feel free to argue both sides. I do it myself as often as not. It's a good exercise to free the mind of dogmatism and allows you to better argue your own point by understanding the opposition.
(Apologizing profusely for long page-stretching posts, but wanting to answer everything...)
The_Fallens_Lullabye
Edward abusive?
neutral
Have you been to to her site? Have you met her?
I was at a book signing a few months ago and someone did mention he could be quite cruel at times (And this is very true leaving her and then trying to kill himself over something his sister who obvisouly does not like Bella says was very very stupid of him.)
She thought about this and then a audience member offered to give an explanation and she let her. (please keep in mind this was a few months ago and my quote is not word for word but the same message.)
"Yes but he's also looking out for her but since he's a vampire he can't do it the same way a human can he hasn't been a human in a long time and so he keeps messing up it wouldn't be a story if he didn't."
Sure, he makes mistakes, but he needs to learn from them. Stories in which the characters don't learn from their mistakes don't make very good stories, either. Instead, he's showing the same posessiveness, impulsiveness, and disregard for Bella in
New Moon that he is in
Twilight.
I have not met her, but I have been to her site many times. It seems very in accord with the books.
The_Fallens_Lullabye
So yes Edward is probably the worst possible choice for a boyfriend.
Also vampires are created to attract their prey. It's no wonder Bella is unhealthly obssesed with him he has something about him making him that way. This would be no diffrent with any of the other brothers.
Jacob and Edward are enemies end of story they will hate eachother and Edward is jealous yes because in his absence Bella grew extremly close to Jacob.
Because his girlfriend is close with someone that isn't him, that gives him a right to be jealous? To tell her she shouldn't be around him?
The_Fallens_Lullabye
About Bella's isolation she CHOOSES to be like that this is Bella's NATURE. She never had many friends living with her mom and she dosen't with her Dad. Edward yes may keep her away from HUMAN friends but her best friend is considered to be Alice. She is also friends with Jacob and Jasper along with the others.
And Edward insists that Alice, her best friend, stays away from her. This isn't reverse psychology, it isn't subtle possibly subconscious manipulation, this is plain out dictating that there
will be no contact.
The_Fallens_Lullabye
Bella never tells her Dad anything because they don't have a relationship she lives with him and cooks he gives her a house and a room.
It's not a relationship at all. She dosen't trust him like her Mom.
Funny. Because she hardly tells her mom anythiing, either. Not much of a relationship.
The_Fallens_Lullabye
So yes you make some good points and yes I can see where your argument is coming from, but you also need to look at the other side of things.
I think once the book in Edwards point of view comes out we could possibly make a stronger argument.
Actually, I think I'll be able to supplement my argument quite nicely if
Midnight Sun comes out. After all, his motivations don't have to be what he thinks they are...
whee
jenner_lee
Please don't use analogies of Parents beating their children, it isn't the same.
Fine. Use my analogy - the father encouraging his daughter to run away from her mother. Can you blame the daughter for loving her father and trusting him enough to belive that it really would be better if she did what he told her to do?
Alice__Cullen
Wasnt Bella going to do the same thing? Does that mean she as well needs help?
Actually, Bella wasn't actually planning on killing herself, just putting herself in highly dangerous situations. Slightly less unstable... but, yes, still worthy of therapy.
"Alice__Cullen
If Bella had told Charlie Edward was a vampire its not like he would believe her anyways. And Edward wanted to leave Bella to protect her, not hurt her. He didnt want her to be involved in a life that could either kill or hurt her. But Bella is persistent on becoming a vampire, and his love for her wants to give her that, but he wants to keep her safe.
But is he keeping her safe? No.
His vmapirism is not the key danger here. The danger is that, even after a year of dating, he barely knows her and he has no regard for her emotions. He thinks that by leaving, he can protect her. If he knew her at all and took even a little time to think about it, he would have realized that leaving was the worst thing he could have done for both of them.
No matter what body language says, Edward should have allowed her to answer Jacob. She doesn't have to brush him off. It is possible to be honest and kind.
Oh - New point! (Pleased, Nari?)
Destruction of property. In the beginning of
New Moon, Edward goes into her house and car, destroying or hiding every object related to him. Premeditated destruction, not temper-related, and definitely not excusable.
Must add to essay... tomorrow. Bedtime, methinks. Unless there are rebuttals of my rebuttals of your rebuttals?
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