Edward Cullen - Abusive Boyfriend (Eclipse SPOILERS)

Your opinion?

I knew it all along.	61.8%	[ 1576 ]
Good points, but I'm not convinced.	15.4%	[ 393 ]
You're wrong, and I will post my rebuttal.	11.5%	[ 293 ]
But it's True Love!	11.4%	[ 290 ]
Total Votes:			[ 2552 ]

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Minari

The point of the analagy is that you can't blame the abusee for being weak. You blame the strong for taking advantage of the weakness.

No, if I look at Jessica I see that she has a shallow surface. I don't believe in shallow people.

That's ridiculous their are shallow people out there and In Jess's defence maybe it's just a faze.

[Lullabye Princess]

Minari

The_Fallens_Lullabye

Oh yes because we all know everyone has all the time in the world to go through over 30 pages to make sure the creator dosen't have to repeat herself.
I'm sorry but I do not have that time I read the first post and posted my opinon and if your just going to tell me to go through the thread then it means you are either too lazy to continue to argue your point like most people do or you are bored with your argument. These are the thing you mentioned and these are the things that will be answered and yes most will be the same. I've heard your argument 500 times and I still gave my points.

Er, woah. I said "read through the thread a while," not read the whole damn thing. I'm not stupid. Trust me, you won't have to look very far. In fact, in the second post there's a list of common arguments and their rebuttals, I'm sure some of your points were covered.

And to be frank, yes I am tired of repeating myself. I want people to come up with new arguments that I haven't already refuted.

I read the first few pages they were lightly touched upon and if I had my copy I would've given you quotes. I did not see any seriously deep ones just a lot of "OMG NO WAY" or "OMG TOTALLY".

If your tired of arguing your points get new points your not offering us a lot to work with seeing as your bored with these arguments yet give us nothing else to work on.
These are how people who look at the diffrent view then yours see it.
There is nothing else. I guess we could say Bella only hung out with those people to make her Dad think she liked Forks and then dropped them when she met the Cullens whom her Dad likes very much in the beginning.

There isn't a lot of ground to cover with your points so if you bring in some new ones you get fresh arguments. Also like I said once Edwards POV of Twilight comes out i'm sure you could have some wonderful debates.

[Minari]

jenner_lee

Minari

The point of the analagy is that you can't blame the abusee for being weak. You blame the strong for taking advantage of the weakness.

No, if I look at Jessica I see that she has a shallow surface. I don't believe in shallow people.

That's ridiculous their are shallow people out there and In Jess's defence maybe it's just a faze.

Care to give me a good reason why my philosophy is wrong? Maybe start by defining "shallow"?

And I don't see why Jess needs defending, because we don't know that she's shallow. Bella sees her as shallow, but Bella doesn't pay attention to her, so how does she know? And Bella's not really one to talk, seeing as she spends all her time angsting over her boyfriend. As for Edward: I haven't actually seen him being all that deep, either.

[Lullabye Princess]

Minari

jenner_lee

Minari

The point of the analagy is that you can't blame the abusee for being weak. You blame the strong for taking advantage of the weakness.

No, if I look at Jessica I see that she has a shallow surface. I don't believe in shallow people.

That's ridiculous their are shallow people out there and In Jess's defence maybe it's just a faze.

Care to give me a good reason why my philosophy is wrong? Maybe start by defining "shallow"?

And I don't see why Jess needs defending, because we don't know that she's shallow. Bella sees her as shallow, but Bella doesn't pay attention to her, so how does she know? And Bella's not really one to talk, seeing as she spends all her time angsting over her boyfriend. As for Edward: I haven't actually seen him being all that deep, either.

I'm actually going to step in and agree with you on this.
He isn't deep at all.

[Minari]

@The_Fallens_Lullabye: We've stated our case, and we've rebutted your arguements. I think it's your turn to come up with new arguments, seeing as you haven't yet sucessfully rebuted ours.

Although Aldorel did promise new points and I plan to hold her too it *Hint hint, nudge nudge*

[Lullabye Princess]

Minari

@The_Fallens_Lullabye: We've stated our case, and we've rebutted your arguements. I think it's your turn to come up with new arguments, seeing as you haven't yet sucessfully rebuted ours.

Although Aldorel did promise new points and I plan to hold her too it *Hint hint, nudge nudge*

My points were not to say you were wrong I agreed and a lot of your points and gave my thoughts but I didn't try to prove you wrong. (I need my book for that and sadly it is in the hands of someone else at the time).
What other points are there really to bring out? We really need Eclipse to come out and give us more to work with and seeing as us "Pro-Edwards" I guess you can say (I like to say I work both ways in this argument) can't really bring up another point out of random without a point against Edward to argue against. Just going up and saying "OMG LOOK AT THIS" and it ends up having nothing to do with the argument is possible when we are offered to bring up points.

I am looking forward to that and i'm thinking next time I shall be Anti-Edward if that dosen't bug you I'd like to argue both sides.

[Minari]

The_Fallens_Lullabye

I'm actually going to step in and agree with you on this.
He isn't deep at all.

Someone who sees the light! Add "hypocrite" and "arrogant" to my "Why I hate Edward" list. And on that happy note, I go to bed. And try to pretend it's an hour ago crying

[Lullabye Princess]

Minari

The_Fallens_Lullabye

I'm actually going to step in and agree with you on this.
He isn't deep at all.

Someone who sees the light! Add "hypocrite" and "arrogant" to my "Why I hate Edward" list. And on that happy note, I go to bed. And try to pretend it's an hour ago crying

Well he isn't ah yes good night it was fun debating with you!

[Alice__Cullen]

arrow Edward's attempted suicide proves he loves her - it's not a control tactic.
Killing yourself over someone does not prove you love them, it proves that you need mental help. Moreover, threatening suicide is characteristic of abusers, and some of them are unstable enough to go through with it.

Wasnt Bella going to do the same thing? Does that mean she as well needs help?


exclaim
Uhm this book is made up, fantasy, why not let people have fun with it?
Why waste time and try to list all of Edward's flaws? He is a character. In a book. People love him, so what? People love Britney Spears and shes just as messed up. Leave it alone.

[Alice__Cullen]

If Bella had told Charlie Edward was a vampire its not like he would believe her anyways. And Edward wanted to leave Bella to protect her, not hurt her. He didnt want her to be involved in a life that could either kill or hurt her. But Bella is persistent on becoming a vampire, and his love for her wants to give her that, but he wants to keep her safe.

[Minari]

Alice__Cullen

arrow Edward's attempted suicide proves he loves her - it's not a control tactic.
Killing yourself over someone does not prove you love them, it proves that you need mental help. Moreover, threatening suicide is characteristic of abusers, and some of them are unstable enough to go through with it.

Wasnt Bella going to do the same thing? Does that mean she as well needs help?

Yep, they're both messed up. They both need lots, and lots of therapy.

Quote:

exclaim
Uhm this book is made up, fantasy, why not let people have fun with it?
Why waste time and try to list all of Edward's flaws? He is a character. In a book. People love him, so what? People love Britney Spears and shes just as messed up. Leave it alone.

No one's stoping anyone from having fun with it. Don't assume that everyone enjoys things the same way you do. I enjoy criticizing Edward.

[Feye Figg]

Brava.

[Aldorel]

Demons_and_Angels

Yay!!!! People actually like me!!!! LOL. So thanks for the compliment, and I guess since now I am very addicted to this thread (why o why must I be addicted to a thread that trashes Eddie, why?) more lol. I guess I will stick around and sooner or later come up with a good arguement in his favor, but so far I'm dry. (And how do you do those diferent quotes? And also manage to mess up my screenname in the 4th quote?)

LOL. So now I guess all I can do is observe how other kids try to rebuttle in Ed's favor, even though I shall join the rebellion, but it's hard to argue against him cuz I don't know how, but this will be very interesting.

(S***, you guys distracted me too much and I have hw for tomorrow!!!!! I'm in trouble!!!!)

I seriously have to go now!!!!

(Who am I kidding?!?!?!)

Yay! She's staying! blaugh

I stick the quotes in manually using the code buttons and typing. Messing up the screenname was a typo - my cut-n-paste was malfunctioning. stare

This...

A Fan

Hi! I'm saying something supportive about Edward!

Hi! I'm asserting his scoundreliness.

A Fan

First Post

I am an uncomplementary statement about edward.

I am a rebuttal of this statement.

I am a rebutting your rebuttal.

Looks like this in your text box:

[quote="A Fan"]Hi! I'm saying something supportive about Edward![/quote]
Hi! I'm asserting his scoundreliness.

[quote="A Fan"][quote="First Post"]I am an uncomplementary statement about edward.[/quote]
I am a rebuttal of this statement.[/quote]
I am a rebutting your rebuttal.

Hope that helped...

*returns to look over rebuttals in last two or three pages*

[Aldorel]

The_Fallens_Lullabye

Oh yes because we all know everyone has all the time in the world to go through over 30 pages to make sure the creator dosen't have to repeat herself.
I'm sorry but I do not have that time I read the first post and posted my opinon and if your just going to tell me to go through the thread then it means you are either too lazy to continue to argue your point like most people do or you are bored with your argument. These are the thing you mentioned and these are the things that will be answered and yes most will be the same. I've heard your argument 500 times and I still gave my points.

As the thread creator, I go back and read every page and try to answer every objection, sometimes leading to nasty double posts wink . MInari doesn't have to do that if she's getting bored.
Somehow I doubt that you've heard this 500 times before.

The_Fallens_Lullabye

I read the first few pages they were lightly touched upon and if I had my copy I would've given you quotes. I did not see any seriously deep ones just a lot of "OMG NO WAY" or "OMG TOTALLY".

I'm glad to hear you read the first post, and I'm sorry that the common arguments are cursory, but due to space constraints I can't argue them as in-depth as I would like to - they're really more of a guide to what's been said.

I, also, would like to supply quotes. But I spend a good deal of time just keeping up with this thread. You keep me on my toes.

Minari

Although Aldorel did promise new points and I plan to hold her too it *Hint hint, nudge nudge*

I'm planning on rereading Twilight with a focus on new points as soon as I finish my current three-book library count. However, you'll probably have to wait for the bulk of it until after Eclipse comes out. Don't worry, I read fast.

Now...

[Lullabye Princess]

Well seeing as your thread creator you going back on your pages is understandble.
I also came across this at night around 1 in the morning just before heading to bed and my laziness was taking over.

Going in depth is hard and I understand this if only I could write half the stuff I want to.
Yes Quotes always make it seem better.
I try to keep people on there toes helps make a better debate.

I also feel the need to debate both sides seeing as I can see where your coming from but being a fan of Twilight the book (not New Moon it was poorly written and made me have an extreme hate of Bella) I felt the need to protect Edward but now...I really want to argue the abusive side.