Edward Cullen - Abusive Boyfriend (Eclipse SPOILERS)

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I knew it all along.	61.8%	[ 1576 ]
Good points, but I'm not convinced.	15.4%	[ 393 ]
You're wrong, and I will post my rebuttal.	11.5%	[ 293 ]
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[Dominic Knight]

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Jasper was made during the Civil war. He is older than Edward!! Jasper was a normal vampire for a while before joinning the Cullens in 1950's.

o.O Where is that information?

http://twilightlexicon.com/the-lexicon/timeline/

Shouldn't that information be in a book somewhere, rather than on a website from a personal correspondence?

[A Lighter Shade of Pale]

You can't just blame Edward for everything, did you notice Bella has serious issues? She tries to hurt herself, she's obsessed with Edward. Jealously isn't a completely bad thing, it can mean you really like the person or you like it when they spend time with you and you miss it when they do it to someone else. It's a natural thing, some people just express it more. Majority of the stuff isn't even Edwards fault, if he said that her friends were shallow she could just tell him off and go on as usual, if she ditched her friends that easy thats her fault. Once again it's her fault that she didn't remember her friends, they must not be that important to her if she did, depression happens. It's happened to me over a relationship. The only way he could have possibly abused her is emotionally and half of that crap is all in her own mind anyway. If you ask me they're both metally unstable. You can't just blame one! With her father she could tell him if she wanted it's just a matter of confidence. Edward does warn her he's dangerous anyway! It's both their fault...once again. The fact that she ignored it is Bella's fault. A reason he may not be able to leave her is because he loves her and he can't stay away, it takes two to tango! You can't say he just wants to hurt her or play with her mind because it's more than that. He can't totally help that he has a split personality, his vampire side has a lot to do with this. The deal with her suprise birthday party and prom may be just to attempt to make her feel good. Throwing her into the back seat was mostlikely out of fear for her life, you can't just say it's because he's abusive. About the kissing thing...yeah it's most likely he wanted her to shut up for the moment. This isn't a real relationship, he's a vampire. This is different due to that reason, dating violence in real life is other people's problem. Abuse isn't seen as normal, not to everyone, I mean I know when I'm being abused, don't you? It's not totally creepy that Edward watches Bella sleep, it doesn't audomatically mean lust, it could just mean he worries about her safety, maybe he thinks it's cute or something.. It just annoys me that you blame Edward for practically everything when both people in the relationship is responsibly for their own actions. Edward isn't a total a*****e.

[Aldorel]

So Jasper had 50 years as a vampire on a diet. Less than Edward.
(Dom - the info is on the Lexicon, gleaned form the books or Mrs. Meyer somewhere)

But Sam is working to stop himself from hurting anyone, and to stop anyone else from hurting someone they love in the same way. Hence forbidding Jacob to see Bella. I could understand being touchy about that - but it is not Edward's place to be Bella's Anti-Jacob brigade.

Again: Sam and Carlisle need to talk. They would be best buds in months. No more war, you've got the other half watching your back and your control, Victoria is toast... and I would love to see Edward and Jacob swapping manly stories. rofl

Oh, yeah, but they're natural enemies. stare

Only managed about half of the abuse points...

jenner_lee

Edward does not Blame Bella for all his problems.

But he does tell her how much worse she's making everything.

jenner_lee

Bella is only truly frightened of Edward in the meadow because he shows her just how superhuman he is.

Ahem.
"As if you could outrun me... as if you could outfight me..."
Translation: If I want to kill you, you die.

jenner_lee

Edward broke the TV but not in front of her. In fact she didn't even know what broke the only reason we do is because Meyer said it in an interview.

Does that make it any more OK to smash things? Perhaps the TV smashing was not an intimidation attempt - but it was not kosher.

jenner_lee

Jacob the dangerous werewolf.

First - Edward criticizes friends other than Jacob, and criticises Jacob before his transformation. Second - the relative dangers of Edward and Jacob have not been definitively established. Therefore, it seems like justifying Edward's keeping Bella from Jacob is a dooomed argument on either side. Especially since it is in both of their intrests to be on good terms with the Quilitues, as guickly as possible.

jenner_lee

Yes he broke the bleeding TV!! You can't tell me you've never been really mad broke something? Like a pencil? Pen? Mirror? Edwards so strong a TV would be like a pencil to him.

I'm into technical theatre. When I need to de-tense, I take a three-pound sledge to things. twisted
OK, so that's an exaggeration. My director wields the sledge; the rest of us stick with power drills. And it is constructive rage, since the sets need to be demolished anyway.

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Firinafel

jenner_lee

Yes he broke the bleeding TV!! You can't tell me you've never been really mad broke something? Like a pencil? Pen? Mirror? Edwards so strong a TV would be like a pencil to him.

You forget that he eats mountian cats.

He doesn't go to the local butcher, and he stopped being a crime fighting vampire (XDDDDD, crime fighting vampire! XDDDD *collapses in fit of laughter* rofl )

Wait, aren't cougars endangered or something?

I'd never date a kitty-vore... not even if he was shiny. O_o

They hunt in areas that are in danger of to many predators and he doesn't eat them every time, and I don't know about your butcher but mine doesn't keep that much blood in the meat or it in jars. Also how would that look? Excuse me how much for the jar of blood over there?

[Dominic Knight]

demp-sey

You can't just blame Edward for everything, did you notice Bella has serious issues? She tries to hurt herself, she's obsessed with Edward. Jealously isn't a completely bad thing, it can mean you really like the person or you like it when they spend time with you and you miss it when they do it to someone else. It's a natural thing, some people just express it more. Majority of the stuff isn't even Edwards fault, if he said that her friends were shallow she could just tell him off and go on as usual, if she ditched her friends that easy thats her fault. Once again it's her fault that she didn't remember her friends, they must not be that important to her if she did, depression happens. It's happened to me over a relationship. The only way he could have possibly abused her is emotionally and half of that crap is all in her own mind anyway. If you ask me they're both metally unstable. You can't just blame one! With her father she could tell him if she wanted it's just a matter of confidence. Edward does warn her he's dangerous anyway! It's both their fault...once again. The fact that she ignored it is Bella's fault. A reason he may not be able to leave her is because he loves her and he can't stay away, it takes two to tango! You can't say he just wants to hurt her or play with her mind because it's more than that. He can't totally help that he has a split personality, his vampire side has a lot to do with this. The deal with her suprise birthday party and prom may be just to attempt to make her feel good. Throwing her into the back seat was mostlikely out of fear for her life, you can't just say it's because he's abusive. About the kissing thing...yeah it's most likely he wanted her to shut up for the moment. This isn't a real relationship, he's a vampire. This is different due to that reason, dating violence in real life is other people's problem. Abuse isn't seen as normal, not to everyone, I mean I know when I'm being abused, don't you? It's not totally creepy that Edward watches Bella sleep, it doesn't audomatically mean lust, it could just mean he worries about her safety, maybe he thinks it's cute or something.. It just annoys me that you blame Edward for practically everything when both people in the relationship is responsibly for their own actions. Edward isn't a total a*****e.

We didn't ever call Edward any mean names whatsoever. I'm pretty sure we didn't.

Is there any way you could edit this so it's easier to read? As in paragraphs >.>

[Dominic Knight]

Aldorel

So Jasper had 50 years as a vampire on a diet. Less than Edward.
(Dom - the info is on the Lexicon, gleaned form the books or Mrs. Meyer somewhere)

Shouldn't that information be in a book? Somewhere?

Aldorel

Again: Sam and Carlisle need to talk. They would be best buds in months. No more war, you've got the other half watching your back and your control, Victoria is toast... and I would love to see Edward and Jacob swapping manly stories. rofl

That would be cool to see Sam and Carlisle talk. Seriously. xD

[Minari]

demp-sey

You can't just blame Edward for everything, did you notice Bella has serious issues? [...] Edward isn't a total a*****e.

You'll need to paragraph that before I read it, sorry.

[Aldorel]

demp-sey

You can't just blame Edward for everything, did you notice Bella has serious issues? ..(skipped)... If you ask me they're both metally unstable. You can't just blame one! With her father she could tell him if she wanted it's just a matter of confidence. Edward does warn her he's dangerous anyway! It's both their fault...once again. The fact that she ignored it is Bella's fault. A reason he may not be able to leave her is because he loves her and he can't stay away, it takes two to tango!

Hypothetical situation: I kick puppies. Does that make it OK for my boyfriend to kick me?
Again, hypothetical: I lie to my parents about where I am. Does that make it OK for them to lock me in my room without dinner?
If Russia lobs a nuke at the USA, does that make it OK for the USA to bomb Moscow?

demp-sey

You can't say he just wants to hurt her or play with her mind because it's more than that. He can't totally help that he has a split personality, his vampire side has a lot to do with this. The deal with her suprise birthday party and prom may be just to attempt to make her feel good. Throwing her into the back seat was mostlikely out of fear for her life, you can't just say it's because he's abusive. About the kissing thing...yeah it's most likely he wanted her to shut up for the moment. This isn't a real relationship, he's a vampire.

I'll address this in greater detail later, when I don't need to go to bed. For now:
What is with the idea that being a vampire is so different from being human? You were human before you acquired a craving for the blood of the living, you'll be human afterwards.

demp-sey

This is different due to that reason, dating violence in real life is other people's problem. Abuse isn't seen as normal, not to everyone, I mean I know when I'm being abused, don't you?

People don't know when they're being abused. That's why we spend hours in HIgh School Health covering "What is abuse?" That's why it's frightening and that's why it's dangerous.

demp-sey

It's not totally creepy that Edward watches Bella sleep, it doesn't audomatically mean lust, it could just mean he worries about her safety, maybe he thinks it's cute or something.. It just annoys me that you blame Edward for practically everything when both people in the relationship is responsibly for their own actions. Edward isn't a total a*****e.

Abusers aren't total jerks, as a rule. That's what makes them hard to spot and hard to deal with.

And I don't care what your motives are, it's creepy to watch someone through their window while they sleep.

jenner_lee

They hunt in areas that are in danger of to many predators and he doesn't eat them every time, and I don't know about your butcher but mine doesn't keep that much blood in the meat or it in jars. Also how would that look? Excuse me how much for the jar of blood over there?

That would make me happy, yes it would. heart
I just hope he's very knowledgeable about what constitutes "overpredation." Cause I'm pretty sure vampires would change the balance a little...

[Gearfish]

jenner_lee

Firinafel

jenner_lee

Yes he broke the bleeding TV!! You can't tell me you've never been really mad broke something? Like a pencil? Pen? Mirror? Edwards so strong a TV would be like a pencil to him.

You forget that he eats mountian cats.

He doesn't go to the local butcher, and he stopped being a crime fighting vampire (XDDDDD, crime fighting vampire! XDDDD *collapses in fit of laughter* rofl )

Wait, aren't cougars endangered or something?

I'd never date a kitty-vore... not even if he was shiny. O_o

They hunt in areas that are in danger of to many predators and he doesn't eat them every time, and I don't know about your butcher but mine doesn't keep that much blood in the meat or it in jars. Also how would that look? Excuse me how much for the jar of blood over there?

*sigh* You ask for it.

Anyways, I belive certian types of cougars are endangered. One more reason not to like Edward. Back on track; why doesn't he just jump deer in the night? I mean, where I live, the are at least two dead deer along the side of the highway... and they kill more humans than cougars. I doubt that, with the way cats multiply versus prey animals, too many predators is a likely happening. But I could be wrong...

[Aldorel]

Dominic Knight

Aldorel

So Jasper had 50 years as a vampire on a diet. Less than Edward.
(Dom - the info is on the Lexicon, gleaned form the books or Mrs. Meyer somewhere)

Shouldn't that information be in a book? Somewhere?

Actually, not necessarily. Too much backstory can clog up a story's works something fierce. There's a reason Tolkien used Appendeces.

Dominic Knight

Aldorel

Again: Sam and Carlisle need to talk. They would be best buds in months. No more war, you've got the other half watching your back and your control, Victoria is toast... and I would love to see Edward and Jacob swapping manly stories. rofl

That would be cool to see Sam and Carlisle talk. Seriously. xD

Yes. Yes it would.
But we're probably going to get a big overblown conflict, with both sides feeling very, very sorry but not seeing any alternatives. xp

[Aldorel]

Firinafel

*sigh* You ask for it.

Anyways, I belive certian types of cougars are endangered. One more reason not to like Edward. Back on track; why doesn't he just jump deer in the night? I mean, where I live, the are at least two dead deer along the side of the highway... and they kill more humans than cougars. I doubt that, with the way cats multiply versus prey animals, too many predators is a likely happening. But I could be wrong...

It is true that predation is a significantly less major limiting factor of prey populations than was believed ten years or so ago. In fact, Yellowstone brought the wolves back because they realized that underpredation was hurting the park.

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Minari

First, note that these are qualities that experts on abuse have classified as abusive! Abusive boyfriends have reasons for the things the do, the important thing is that they do them.

jenner_lee

One's I disagree with and why[they are out of order a bit]:
Edward does not Blame Bella for all his problems.

Didn't I note this? Edward has repeatedly stated that she makes it hard for him to resist drinking blood. Not all his problems, but a big one. He also mentions that he has to go to extra trouble to protect her from her danger-magnetism.

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Bella is only truly frightened of Edward in the meadow because he shows her just how superhuman he is.

And this does not count... why?

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Edward always puts Bella before himself.

Sorry, I don't know what point you're refuting here, so I don't know what to say to it.

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Edward broke the TV but not in front of her. In fact she didn't even know what broke the only reason we do is because Meyer said it in an interview.

It's still a tendency towards violence and breaking stuff o.0 Did it say specify breaking stuff around them?

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Jacob the dangerous werewolf.

And Edward is a dangerous vampire. Either he keeps her away from both of them, or neither. Double-standards are not cool biggrin

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Edward is human [in a sense] and has the right to get mad at somebody or himself as we all do.

Again, which point are you refering to?

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He is not jealous of the time she spends with her friends, I have never heard him say that.

He's jealous of the time she spends with Jacob.

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He took no quite happily when Bella refuse to marry him because that meant he wouldn't have to change her.

He still, as Aldorel nicely put it, used marriage as a "barter commodity."

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When does Edward treat her like property? Examples.

When he throws her in the back of his car and doesn't listen to what she has to say? When he ignores her protests to her birthday party? When he takes her to the Prom against her will?

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Yes he broke the bleeding TV!! You can't tell me you've never been really mad broke something? Like a pencil? Pen? Mirror? Edwards so strong a TV would be like a pencil to him.

That's a violent tendency. They say it's a sign of an abuser and I believe them, seeing as it's their job to know o.0

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Well Charlie hates him but Edward still likes him, the only 3 friends of her he doesn't like are Jake, Mike, and Jessica and he disliked them all [except Jake] Before Bella came.

Last I checked, Jake, Mike, and Jessica were her best friends. A good boyfriend would make an effort to like them. Again: All these things have explainations, be the real life abusive boyfriends have reasons too! That doesn't make them any less warning signs.

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As for Edward keeping Bella away form Jacob before he was a werewolf is simple. He cut in on their date that's all . Jacob asked Bella to dance at the prom when she was there with her boyfriend Edward. Edward let them dance then came back. There is nothing wrong with that.

But it wasn't his call to make. He was usurping her authority. If she was done dancing with Jacob, she could say so for herself.

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Edward trust himself [...] more than he trust Jacob.

What, now we don't believe Edward all those times he says he's almost sucked her blood?

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She clearly told Jacob that she did not like him.

Before Bella found our Ed was a vampire, she led Jacob on to get information from him.

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There doing pretty well form were I'm standing.

From what I've heard, so is Jacob o.0

1. Most of the time he tells it to her in a joking manner with no heat behind it at all.

2. I can see what you mean, it does count but people I've know have made me fear for my life but I still love them. And Edward was just showing her that it is not a good idea to be with him.

3. The point that your needs come second. I have found that Edward always puts Bella before himself. If he didn't do that she would be dead by now.

4. You said to intimidate, that implies being around her.

5. That the have mood swings.

6. Not really in fact he thanks Jacob for spending time and protecting Bella when he left.

7. Again not my favorite Edward moment.

8. A)Honestly if someones was coming after my friend I would do what he did. Get them as far away as possible then work out the plan.

B) That's all the Cullens, not just Edward.

C) Again all the Cullens plus Charlie was in on it.

9. Well yeah then I'm an abuser be cause I've smashed something when I'm so mad and can't take it. Honestly It isn't as though he smashed it over someone head.

10. She likes Jake loads! She doesn't and hasn't ever really like Mike and Jessica. She like Angela and Edward has never said anything bad about her.

11. She dropped her arms. That signals that the dance is over to me.

[Dominic Knight]

Aldorel

Dominic Knight

Aldorel

So Jasper had 50 years as a vampire on a diet. Less than Edward.
(Dom - the info is on the Lexicon, gleaned form the books or Mrs. Meyer somewhere)

Shouldn't that information be in a book? Somewhere?

Actually, not necessarily. Too much backstory can clog up a story's works something fierce. There's a reason Tolkien used Appendeces.

Yeah, but that's Tolkein. I don't look up all this information on the characters. xD I wouldn't know they have websites in existence like that for Twilight. Granted, there are those out there that started things like Mugglenet, and such. Dom doesn't do those sorts of searches.

Besides, Meyer did include Carlisle's back story... which did add nice flavor to the book. xD

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Firinafel

jenner_lee

Firinafel

jenner_lee

Yes he broke the bleeding TV!! You can't tell me you've never been really mad broke something? Like a pencil? Pen? Mirror? Edwards so strong a TV would be like a pencil to him.

You forget that he eats mountian cats.

He doesn't go to the local butcher, and he stopped being a crime fighting vampire (XDDDDD, crime fighting vampire! XDDDD *collapses in fit of laughter* rofl )

Wait, aren't cougars endangered or something?

I'd never date a kitty-vore... not even if he was shiny. O_o

They hunt in areas that are in danger of to many predators and he doesn't eat them every time, and I don't know about your butcher but mine doesn't keep that much blood in the meat or it in jars. Also how would that look? Excuse me how much for the jar of blood over there?

*sigh* You ask for it.

Anyways, I belive certian types of cougars are endangered. One more reason not to like Edward. Back on track; why doesn't he just jump deer in the night? I mean, where I live, the are at least two dead deer along the side of the highway... and they kill more humans than cougars. I doubt that, with the way cats multiply versus prey animals, too many predators is a likely happening. But I could be wrong...

Yes and he does eat deer and many other things and up in the Washington area cougars are not endangered.

[Gearfish]

Aldorel

Firinafel

*sigh* You ask for it.

Anyways, I belive certian types of cougars are endangered. One more reason not to like Edward. Back on track; why doesn't he just jump deer in the night? I mean, where I live, the are at least two dead deer along the side of the highway... and they kill more humans than cougars. I doubt that, with the way cats multiply versus prey animals, too many predators is a likely happening. But I could be wrong...

It is true that predation is a significantly less major limiting factor of prey populations than was believed ten years or so ago. In fact, Yellowstone brought the wolves back because they realized that underpredation was hurting the park.

Wait, wait, I looked it up:

In the Western US, Cougars have -okay- populations but are endangered in the Eastern US (where I live)

Twilight is in Arizona, right? Yeah, that's Western US.

I still don't belive they could get over populated, but I also can't belive there are girls that would date an abusive boyfriend. Suspension of disbelief, I guess...

(I'm sorry; I don't mind anthros, magic, and zombie robots, bit I mind an overabundance of cougars. I'm wierd like that.)