Edward Cullen - Abusive Boyfriend (Eclipse SPOILERS)

Your opinion?

I knew it all along.	61.8%	[ 1576 ]
Good points, but I'm not convinced.	15.4%	[ 393 ]
You're wrong, and I will post my rebuttal.	11.5%	[ 293 ]
But it's True Love!	11.4%	[ 290 ]
Total Votes:			[ 2552 ]

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Wow you guys have gone up 6 pages since i have left.

I've been busy!!

[Minari]

Dominic Knight

Using actual quotes, like straight from the book takes a lot of time. A LOT of time.

QFT. I don't even own the book, and there are, like, a billion holds on it at the library at any given time. I'm sure we've given good enough reference.


@Janner: Oh! Yes, I see that nowXD I read your post wrong, sorry. If it helps, the (a) reason to debate is to gain further insight into your own opinion, and understand how other people think biggrin The world is a much happier place when we understand the people we disagree with, and the self is much happier when it is understood. Voila.

As for the second: Parents =/= boyfriends. Important distinction. But also, Edward has shown that he would be more than a little miffed. I haven't read this far yet, but I've heard many people mention the TV incedent... And I reiterate: he would kiss her until she changed her mind. Again. And that is controlling and abusive.

@Thrill: Alles gute biggrin It just seemed like you were a bit... angry with me earlier, and I wouldn't have been surprised xd

[Dominic Knight]

Dom must call it a night, as it is late. And Dom has school tomorrow. Dom bids everyone farewell until tomorrow~!

[Minari]

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Dominic Knight

Using actual quotes, like straight from the book takes a lot of time. A LOT of time.

Maybe o-o; But but its better spending your time doing it then not.

I don't see why? Like I said, our references have been good enough and I, personally, don't own the book.

@Dom: *Snuggles* Schlaf gut<3 Have a good time in prison at school!

[The Thrill of Twilight]

Minari

Dominic Knight

Using actual quotes, like straight from the book takes a lot of time. A LOT of time.

QFT. I don't even own the book, and there are, like, a billion holds on it at the library at any given time. I'm sure we've given good enough reference.


@Janner: Oh! Yes, I see that nowXD I read your post wrong, sorry. If it helps, the (a) reason to debate is to gain further insight into your own opinion, and understand how other people think biggrin The world is a much happier place when we understand the people we disagree with, and the self is much happier when it is understood. Voila.

As for the second: Parents =/= boyfriends. Important distinction. But also, Edward has shown that he would be more than a little miffed. I haven't read this far yet, but I've heard many people mention the TV incedent... And I reiterate: he would kiss her until she changed her mind. Again. And that is controlling and abusive.

@Thrill: Alles gute biggrin It just seemed like you were a bit... angry with me earlier, and I wouldn't have been surprised xd

No, not anger just....frustrated XP I mean I understand where you are coming from, but its like......You guys are analyzing some of the quotes wrong ><'' Its just like your facts on abuse are kinda.....interesting. They seem to be more of manipulative then abusive.

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Minari

Dominic Knight

Using actual quotes, like straight from the book takes a lot of time. A LOT of time.

QFT. I don't even own the book, and there are, like, a billion holds on it at the library at any given time. I'm sure we've given good enough reference.


@Janner: Oh! Yes, I see that nowXD I read your post wrong, sorry. If it helps, the (a) reason to debate is to gain further insight into your own opinion, and understand how other people think biggrin The world is a much happier place when we understand the people we disagree with, and the self is much happier when it is understood. Voila.

As for the second: Parents =/= boyfriends. Important distinction. But also, Edward has shown that he would be more than a little miffed. I haven't read this far yet, but I've heard many people mention the TV incedent... And I reiterate: he would kiss her until she changed her mind. Again. And that is controlling and abusive.

@Thrill: Alles gute biggrin It just seemed like you were a bit... angry with me earlier, and I wouldn't have been surprised xd

It's not controlling and abusive, it's persuasive! And he has tried that and it hasn't work she still wants to be a vampire!

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Dominic Knight

Using actual quotes, like straight from the book takes a lot of time. A LOT of time.

Maybe o-o; But but its better spending your time doing it then not.

I don't see why? Like I said, our references have been good enough and I, personally, don't own the book.

@Dom: *Snuggles* Schlaf gut<3 Have a good time in prison at school!

I own it and have re-read it many times and your points...and don't take it the wrong way......don't connect.

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jenner_lee

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Wow you guys have gone up 6 pages since i have left.

I've been busy!!

keep it up biggrin

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Dominic Knight

Using actual quotes, like straight from the book takes a lot of time. A LOT of time.

Maybe o-o; But but its better spending your time doing it then not.

I don't see why? Like I said, our references have been good enough and I, personally, don't own the book.

@Dom: *Snuggles* Schlaf gut<3 Have a good time in prison at school!

I will Fed Ex you my copy because maybe you will understand better once you've read the book.

[Minari]

The Thrill of Twilight

No, not anger just....frustrated XP I mean I understand where you are coming from, but its like......You guys are analyzing some of the quotes wrong ><'' Its just like your facts on abuse are kinda.....interesting. They seem to be more of manipulative then abusive.

Ah, frustrationXD Well, I little time does wonders for that.

And manipulation is a form of abuse o.0

And of course the points don't add up; you don't want them too! Note that they have for a lot of people, so it could be a personal thing, not a logical thing.

@Janner: Do you really think that seducing someone into changing their opinions, philosophies, etc. is a good thing? That's what we call "using sex as a weapon." How is she supposed to have a relationship with this guy if at any moment he might use is charm to make her compromise her views?

And finally: He could do it if he tried, I'm sure. She's always weakened momentarily, and then makes up her resolve later, so all he has to do is be there when she's going to ask.

And just because I don't own the book, doesn't mean I haven't read it. I dedicated a lot of time to being able to know what I was talking about in this kind of debate. I have pages of notes, that slowed me down and made the process more painful than it could have been. Because I wanted to be accurate. I'm sorry, this is a pet peeve, but dont say that I haven't even read it after I did that much work.

And, much as I hate to leave in the middle of a debate, Domni was right, I need some sleep. I'll check in tomorrow.

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Minari

The Thrill of Twilight

No, not anger just....frustrated XP I mean I understand where you are coming from, but its like......You guys are analyzing some of the quotes wrong ><'' Its just like your facts on abuse are kinda.....interesting. They seem to be more of manipulative then abusive.

Ah, frustrationXD Well, I little time does wonders for that.

And manipulation is a form of abuse o.0

And of course the points don't add up; you don't want them too! Note that they have for a lot of people, so it could be a personal thing, not a logical thing.

@Janner: Do you really think that seducing someone into changing their opinions, philosophies, etc. is a good thing? That's what we call "using sex as a weapon." How is she supposed to have a relationship with this guy if at any moment he might use is charm to make her compromise her views?

And finally: He could do it if he tried, I'm sure. She's always weakened momentarily, and then makes up her resolve later, so all he has to do is be there when she's going to ask.

And just because I don't own the book, doesn't mean I haven't read it. I dedicated a lot of time to being able to know what I was talking about in this kind of debate. I have pages of notes, that slowed me down and made the process more painful than it could have been. Because I wanted to be accurate. I'm sorry, this is a pet peeve, but dont say that I haven't even read it after I did that much work.

And, much as I hate to leave in the middle of a debate, Domni was right, I need some sleep. I'll check in tomorrow.

Goodbye.

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Minari

The Thrill of Twilight

No, not anger just....frustrated XP I mean I understand where you are coming from, but its like......You guys are analyzing some of the quotes wrong ><'' Its just like your facts on abuse are kinda.....interesting. They seem to be more of manipulative then abusive.

Ah, frustrationXD Well, I little time does wonders for that.

And manipulation is a form of abuse o.0

And of course the points don't add up; you don't want them too! Note that they have for a lot of people, so it could be a personal thing, not a logical thing.

@Janner: Do you really think that seducing someone into changing their opinions, philosophies, etc. is a good thing? That's what we call "using sex as a weapon." How is she supposed to have a relationship with this guy if at any moment he might use is charm to make her compromise her views?

And finally: He could do it if he tried, I'm sure. She's always weakened momentarily, and then makes up her resolve later, so all he has to do is be there when she's going to ask.

And just because I don't own the book, doesn't mean I haven't read it. I dedicated a lot of time to being able to know what I was talking about in this kind of debate. I have pages of notes, that slowed me down and made the process more painful than it could have been. Because I wanted to be accurate. I'm sorry, this is a pet peeve, but dont say that I haven't even read it after I did that much work.

And, much as I hate to leave in the middle of a debate, Domni was right, I need some sleep. I'll check in tomorrow.

There you are wrong....Parents Manipulate there Kids all the time and the social services don't come and take them away!

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Put it together people!!