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Very good. Very well written. I really enjoyed reading this. I have read all four books, and I've always know that something wasn't right with their relationship. Good job
I'm posting this to get it back up to the top for a while. I also have a few new points to make.

Apparently Twihards treat the Twilight series like a bible.
I wonder what their pastors/fathers/or whatever you call it would say about it.
I had this idea of drawing a comic of me showing the pope a Twihard.

"Hello uh....your...high popeness."
"Yes, yes get on with it I'm a busy man."
"Okay I'm here to show you what Stephine Meyer has done to young girls."
*Urshers in a Twihard*
"EDWARD!! KYIRAVBED I LOVE EDWARD!!! He's mine! I love him! I would DIE for him!"
"So you see. This is a Twihard. One who is obsessed with a book."
*throws a picture of Edward on the ground which is immediately attacked and coveted.*
"Yes, dieing for a someone who isn't 'real' is worship of false idols. Right? These Twihards would like the dirt of Meyers boots, or bow down to her and let her walk right over them. They would kill for the characters in the books. And already some people have been attacked because they do not like those books."
*Silence filled by fan-girl squeel*
"....Dear? Come here." (Taking to the twihard.)
"Yes mr.not-edward cullen?"
"You are hear by excommunicated for worship of false idols. You will be communicated once you stop being so obsessed with the books."
"Huh what? I didn't hear anything about twilight. Edward loves only me! every that doesn't like the books has to be KILLED for not liking them!"
*Twihard is dragged out*
"Yay! Go pope! Go pope!" *Repeated a few times before a silence comes in.*
"Go Pope!" ((The pope says this))
(Random comment) "You see this is why we don't usually allow women in here."
Lieriel Moon-Shade


*facepalm*
I will not lose a thousand more brain cells just to read a stupid no-sense vampire plup-fiction. I'd rather watch Neon Genisis Evaglion (I know I didn't spell that right). I've read it once. And Once is enough to put bile in my throat as I got tired of Bella's insistent overbearing idiotic absurd depression. Okay? It's retarded. God you go what 5 months being a 'zombie' without the one you love. Hell not even marriage spats are THAT bad. I can compare Bella right up to those women who kill themselves in their lovers bathroom after they left them. (The angry princess off 13 Ghosts, great movie.)
oh and just telling someone that you are leaving them does NOT give you a clean break. He even hid things that related to him or took them preventing a break that COULD become clean. (And who the hell looks under her floor boards to find hidden treasure?) If Edward cared about Bella, or her apparent compulsive idiotic obsession with him then he would have to slowly distance himself away. Like taking baby steps. Like how a married couple would sleep apart for a while If they were going through a bad spat. And just to be like Stephine....

Bella has undoubted enthusiasm for Edwards pulchritudinous. Edward has a inducement towards Bella because of her redolence.

I ask. what the hell kind of teen uses big words and idiotic phrases like 'i was irrevocably' in her own mind? I didn't even know what that means and I've read LOTS of books.

ir⋅rev⋅o⋅ca⋅ble  [i-rev-uh-kuh-buhl]
–adjective
not to be revoked or recalled; unable to be repealed or annulled; unalterable: an irrevocable decree.
(thank you dictionary.com)
That is a little over the top for a first crush. Or love. I can understand true love deal, but hell. You can't really be SO in love with someone with just a few days knowing them. This is why Disney made Enchanted you know. To show that you don't always know that the first person you 'love' is the one for you.
Stephine is using fairytale syndrome. Which is something I just made up.
Basically it is when your male and female main characters fall in love without a second glance back. Ex. The princess kissed the frog and it turned into a prince, they immediately get married.
(I am so glad Disney is retelling it now and making it at least a little better....)
Sleep talkers do NOT make sense when they talk. Maybe some things make sense but not all. I can deal with 'I love you' and 'Edward' but not, 'I love Edward but this place is too green. Where is all my browns of Arizona? I miss my mommy, i want to talk with my mommy. I don't like it here. Edward, edward, edward, edward' okay?
Even if you are honest to someone it is STILL creepy. Just like how people say the truth hurts. It does, and the truth is often creepy. Like if i told someone that I liked to follow them home because they have pretty hair that I liked to look at ALL the time. That is creepy. I was being honest. By YOUR decree what I do and said would not be at ALL creepy. So therefore I should stalk this guy forever since I like his hair. I should break into his house at night and watch his hair as he sleeps. Then tell the guy I watch him sleep.
Now 'if I could I would dream of you.' thats kinda sweet. But that does not detract from the creepiness of Edward.
If Jacob is SO dangerous then why doesn't Edward kill him? Jacob is young, but hell he has far more control because he has his 'friends' with him. Unlike the first guy who had nothing and accidentally attacked his girl friend because he was angry and confused at what was happening to him. I have a character (a drow) that doesn't know what a werewolf is, and she is one. She can't control herself so every full moon she leaves and comes back the next day. So not to hurt anyone she loves. (She kills orcs!) Of course she tries to keep it a secret but it gets out and soon some people who've had the same problem tell her how to control the urges to transform and kill. Jacob is actually FAR more controlled than any were-wolf I've ever read about. Or shape-shifter. Whatever. Edward FORCES bella under HIS control. Which makes him abusive. You don't have to hurt someone to be an abusive man...oh wait. He raped bella. (Maybe not true rape. But rape is rape.) She passed out right? And he just continued on with her body as he saw fit. That is rape. Even if she wanted it.
Besides Edward would shoot out tiny icicle missile sperm. Hurting him and Bella. Most likely doing enough damage to her uterus that she could never have a child. (and her child is a vampire? Please. HALF of Bella's genetic codes should be in her and make that vile monster half human.) Besides. If the child WAS a vampire in her WOMB Bella would have to get constant blood transfusions because the vampire child would be feeding off her blood CONSTANTLY. We women know how 'fast' a child grows. Especially once it has 'its' heart. So Bella would slowly waste away as her child fed from her body. Killing both her and child. (Sense vampire drink SO much blood in one sitting.)

(Your typing is atrocious.)


Firstly, although I have argued on this thread for Twilight, I am now undoubtedly against it.
I think many of your points are more or less correct, or at least arguable, but some are not.
You didn't know what 'irrevocable' meant? Just because you didn't know doesn't make it a 'big word' or idiotic. There are teens out there who are mature beyond their years, and who have rather larger vocabulary than some.
About the sleep-talking part: Since Edward was not quoting exactly what Bella was saying in most cases (except the 'its too green' part, which isn't all that complicated, and could very well be said by someone talking in their sleep), we can assume that he inferred most of it. And I don't recall her saying any of the full and rather out-of-place-for-a-sleep-talker sentences you listed as examples. And moving to a new place that was vastly different from your old home would definitely hard. Bella also stated that her mother was her best friend which, although rather pathetic, would mean she missed her quite a bit.
I don't recall the raping bit. Maybe you could include more details? Like what book you think it happened in?
Bella's 'child' IS half-human. She is by no means a full-blooded vampire, nor is she described as such. It is clearly stated that she is half-human, and that fact makes up a large portion of the plot.
And Bella DID start to waste away during the pregnancy; she and the 'baby' almost died, and she was forced to drink human blood in order to nourish the baby properly and keep herself from dying. And then she went and detached the placenta from the uterine wall while reaching for a cup of blood she spilled, and the baby almost killed her because it started thrashing around, and she had to be transformed into a vampire so as not to die from her injuries (I thought I'd tell you about the fourth book, since you don't seem to have read it. And yet you're trying to argue with people who have in fact read all of them?) And I'm not sure that the fetus of a vampire, let alone a half-vampire, would take in all that much blood, considering it wouldn't have been born yet.
So while don't agree with Twilight, I definitely don't agree with all the high-and-mighty Twilight-haters who bash people who like the series and base their arguments on 'facts' that are completely unfounded.
And your spelling and grammar aren't all that great either. And you misspelled the name of the authour of the book throughout your entire post.
ValleryPewter
hE'S a vampire its not like he is perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!


No? But I thought Edward was perfect in every way shape and form! He's pretty, he's smart...he's gorgeous, he's intellectual...he's, Uhhhh, good-looking, he's a whiz, he's...Damn I ran out of synonyms.
iDord
Aldorel Wrote:
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Summary of Points

Edward is jealous of Jacob. Abuse red flag number one.
Edward isolates Bella from her friends, then abandons her.
"I couldn't live without you." : Edward attempts suicide over Bella. Cntrol tactic.
Edward encourages Bella to lie to her father.
Edward frightens Bella with his vampirism but does not take steps to ensure her safety.
Edward does not allow Bella to make her own decisions or to disagree with him.
Edward watches Bella while she sleeps.




hello!! jacob is a werewolf and likes bella!! and edward can read his mind!! it makes perfect sense for him to be jealous!!

when you are dating someone you really love wouldnt you try to spend every minute with him/her?

edward thought bella was DEAD!! just becase he left her doesnt mean he wanted her dead!!

edward NEVER encouraged bella to lie to her father! he wanted her to tell him where she was going so he would have a reason to bring her back.

OMG!!! take for example the first time bella went to the clearing when edward was showing her how strong he was. he wanted her to know how dangerous he was!! that is why he did it!!! with james: edward saved bella!!! he sucked the venom out of her!! edward and carlisle try to go track james down when he was going after bella!!! isnt that enough?!

umm... give me one spot where that happens!

that is because he cant stay away from her!!! the way you say it it sounds like edward stalks her or something!! well maybe he did before but that was because he is in love with her!!!


it KIND OF makes sense in a way but edward never meant to hurt bella in any way. HE JUST DID WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS BEST FOR HER!!

AND: when edward made her go to the prom and made her have a birthday party he just wanted her to be human. he didnt want her to miss out on anything that she would have done if she had never met him!!!


If she really and truly loved Edward, then Edward wouldn't need to worry.

Would you be pleased if your boyfriend went through your phone, cleared all the numbers, told you he loved you, then left you? No, didn't think so...

Edward uses that line as a euphemism for: "If you leave me, I'll make you suffer by knowing that I am dead. And it's your fault."

In Twilight, If I'm mistaken he told Bella not to tell him until she finally needed to. In my book, It isn't lying, but it isn't telling the truth either.

And in the novel, was Bella smiling, giggling, candy bubble yummy yum when he tore s**t out of the ground? No, she was scared shitless. That's called fear, which he put upon her.

Do you not remember when Edward broke her car so she couldn't go see Jacob. In New Moon, she also had to sneak away to go see Jacob, because Edward had Alice watching her to see if she escaped. To me, he seems more like a parent than a boyfriend.

Edward DID stalk Bella. He followed her around when she was out with her friends. If I was her, I wouldn't hang around a stalker that much...
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Summary of Points


Edward is jealous of Jacob, to the tune of actively preventing her from having a relationship with him. Abuse red flag number one.

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I dont know what types of boyfriends you have had, but if I were cheating on ANYONE or going to see a guy who obviosly wasnt just a friend and had feelings for me, that boyfriend no matter who he was would be jealous and wouldnt want me to see him.
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Edward isolates Bella from her friends, then abandons her. At that time, he tells her "you aren't good enough," in blatant disregard for how this is going to hurt her.
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He doesnt tell her to not hang out with her friends for one thing, she just doesnt see anyone more interesting then him, like when she went to lapush with her friends, he told her to go ahead without him. Even though he couldnt go with her he insisted she go and spend some time with some normal people.
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In abandoning her, he forbids her best friend - Alice - from seeing her.
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Simply because she is a vampire and he thinks that by any of them being around her it will put her in danger from the volturi or any other possible threat.
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"I couldn't live without you." : Edward attempts suicide over Bella, telling her beforehand that he's planning on doing so. Control tactic.
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I dont know what book you are reading but he didnt tell her before hand that he was planning on it, she was dead "DEAD" so how could he have told her that he was going to kill himself. He did however tell her if she was gone there would be no reason for him to be alive, he could have very well have been lieing or joking, and if she was dead before he did it, it was in no way a control tactic, it was a guy who had been living for hundreds of years and he found something that finally made him happy, and that was taken away from him so there was nothing left, and he was hoping that he could be with her again.
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Edward encourages Bella to lie to her father about seeing him, and furthermore sneaks around Charlie's back in order to see Bella after curfew and before Charlie knew about the relationship.
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For example Edward insists in the book Twilight that he be formorly introduced to Bella's father when he takes her out to play baseball with him.
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Edward frightens Bella unnecessarily with his vampirism but does not take steps to ensure her safety.
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Do you mean that he tells her that he isnt good for her? Because he is a dangerous creature, he gives her every chance to change her mind about him, and tells her pleanty of times that she can walk away at any minute, giving choices isnt a form of abuse.
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Edward does not allow Bella to make her own decisions or to disagree with him.
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Birthday and college and prom, he feels that these are things a person should experiance before having their life taken away from them forever. I dont think he was meaning any harm when he was doing these things, sounds nice to me actually. And when she got pregnant he respected her desision to lay there and die while the baby was ripping her up from the inside out, so yes look at every factor.
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In the beginning of New Moon, Edward hides, takes, or destroys all her possessions that are associated with him.
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He wanted her to forget about him, I see nothing wrong with this no matter how ******** up it is.
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Edward takes Bella's belongings that are associated with him in an effort to control her healing process.
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Again I see nothing wrong with this, he didnt want her to think of him thus trying to protect her from him and anything associated.
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Edward watches Bella while she sleeps. Even before Bella is aware that he is doing so. A violation of privacy.
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He did violate her privacy but most vampires from any book have this type of behavior.
EXAMPLE:
Bram stokers dracula, he was watching her while she slept, and even killed her best friend. (im pretty sure killing someones best friend is worse then just watching them)

book called "A Silver Kiss" He used to watch her and even pissed on her porch steps as a sign of marking his tarritory and owning her.

Interview with a vampire: Louis used to go to a womens house and observe her at night time, when he finally showed himself and she panicked he snapped her neck.
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So I say this is prime example of any vampire book, and tame compaired to the greats.
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I'm posting this to get it back up to the top for a while. I also have a few new points to make.

Apparently Twihards treat the Twilight series like a bible.
I wonder what their pastors/fathers/or whatever you call it would say about it.
I had this idea of drawing a comic of me showing the pope a Twihard.

"Hello uh....your...high popeness."
"Yes, yes get on with it I'm a busy man."
"Okay I'm here to show you what Stephine Meyer has done to young girls."
*Urshers in a Twihard*
"EDWARD!! KYIRAVBED I LOVE EDWARD!!! He's mine! I love him! I would DIE for him!"
"So you see. This is a Twihard. One who is obsessed with a book."
*throws a picture of Edward on the ground which is immediately attacked and coveted.*
"Yes, dieing for a someone who isn't 'real' is worship of false idols. Right? These Twihards would like the dirt of Meyers boots, or bow down to her and let her walk right over them. They would kill for the characters in the books. And already some people have been attacked because they do not like those books."
*Silence filled by fan-girl squeel*
"....Dear? Come here." (Taking to the twihard.)
"Yes mr.not-edward cullen?"
"You are hear by excommunicated for worship of false idols. You will be communicated once you stop being so obsessed with the books."
"Huh what? I didn't hear anything about twilight. Edward loves only me! every that doesn't like the books has to be KILLED for not liking them!"
*Twihard is dragged out*
"Yay! Go pope! Go pope!" *Repeated a few times before a silence comes in.*
"Go Pope!" ((The pope says this))
(Random comment) "You see this is why we don't usually allow women in here."

Wow that was the most idiotic bullshit i allowed myself to read, not to mention being sexist beyond all measure. You honestly have no ******** clue what you are talking about huh? This s**t right here is why I DONT go to church, because all of you ******** up worshipers are stupid pricks.
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I mean this in no offense... well maybe just a teensy bit... but it's just a book! Do you really have to talk and complain and nag and worship and praise and hate and love and obsess and devour and kill it every minute?
Ella Ride
I mean this in no offense... well maybe just a teensy bit... but it's just a book! Do you really have to talk and complain and nag and worship and praise and hate and love and obsess and devour and kill it every minute?
That's not the point, I think. The point of this is to point out how ridiculous Twitards are when they say Edward's a perfect boyfriend when he really has no personality. It's to refute the anti-feminist agenda that whole series propagates. And hell, someone had to say it.
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I hate Edward.
I hate Bella.
but i still like the twilight series (:

U r so amzingly right. I love this topic xD
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That's not the point, I think. The point of this is to point out how ridiculous Twitards are when they say Edward's a perfect boyfriend when he really has no personality. It's to refute the anti-feminist agenda that whole series propagates. And hell, someone had to say it.


This just proves my point even more. You have a nickname for the people that really like Twilight. It is their opinion! Why should you have the right to yell at them for liking a book, and then become offended when they yell back? You are both doing the same thing by loving and hating it, making thread after thread about it is going to get you no where. Edward has plenty of personality, just because you dislike him you say that. Sure, it might not be the best personality at times-- but that doesn't mean he doesn't have one. And trust me, many people have said many things about Twilight and I am sure this is one of them. I highly doubt we all would have been missing out if this was not created.
all of your points are completely valid, Aldorel. Another thing i would like to bring up is the fact that, in New Moon, Bella actually had hallucinations of Edward after he left her. I found it rather disturbing and it just reinforced my thoughts about their relationship.

The amount of sexism shown in these novels is abhorrent! Stephanie Meyer created a girl who is dependent, shallow, mentally unstable, and lacking any real emotional depth or interest outside of her obsession for this absolutely "perfect" vampire. It makes me sick.

The fact that she also uses Jacob, albeit to a lesser extent, to control her as well only worsens he situation. these books indoctrinate young girls. they do. i've seen it. i've been a part of it. it's just not healthy.

have you written an analysis of Edward as a person? (his good looks, intelligence, "perfect personality"?) I would be interested in knowing what you think about that aspect of the books.
Lieriel Moon-Shade

The only rational character seems to be Jacob and he's a *****. He's what fourteen compared to Bella sixteen? Two years younger than her...and he falls in love with her child? That is not creepy at all. In fact I'd say its romantic. (sarcasm)
Anyone who says "OMG jacob loves bella's child that's so romantic!" really. Did you ever stop to think since Jacob likes bella that he may be ******** her child to '********' her? (Fowl language for the punch.) Really? "But he's not that kind of guy!" -So you're saying that jacob won't have sex with bella's child? Look at bella? She had a child out of wedlock. "But edward LOVES her!" -Yes yes, sure he loves her. But I don't understand HOW she can get pregnant. As a matter of fact, compared to the 'many' vampires out there who are young males how can MANY teenagers NOT get pregnant with vampiric children? In fact what's his name 'James' would strike me as a rapist. "EDWARD IS NOT A RAPIST!" Maybe Bella wanted it, but if he's so 'controlled' why did she pass out from the pain of sex. He continued while she was out cold apparently. THAT is rape. Would you like that to happen to you?


Uhm okay:

1.) Jacob is not a ***** actually. He is a shapeshifter with the curse of imprinting, which is not exactly the act of falling in love upon first sight. There is more to imprinting than "falling in love". Take Quil, for example. He imprinted on a two-year-old (Emily's niece, Claire) and Jacob explained to Bella that Quil will be there for the little girl as a friend, brother, protector you name it until she is old enough and mature enough to start a romantic relationship. Even so, it is entirely up to her to decide how their relationship will be.

So, with Jacob imprinting on Bella's daughter, it is the exact same situation. You calling Jacob a ped, is the samething as calling Quil one. Jacob is not "******** her child to ******** her." Upon analyzing the character, Jacob would NEVER do something like that. In fact, he wanted to kill Renesmee because he saw her as a monster before the imprint.

2.) Bella did not have a child out of wedlock. She got pregnant DURING THEIR HONEYMOON. It's good that you don't understand how she could even get pregnant, but you need to consider that both Bella and Edward did not plan on it. In fact, they didn't even think it was possible that she could get pregnant by a vampire because the only liquid in his system was the venom.
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Hmmm very interesting..... 3nodding I don't have an opinion I just like to read other people's opinions.

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