Edward Cullen - Abusive Boyfriend (Eclipse SPOILERS)

Your opinion?

I knew it all along.	61.8%	[ 1576 ]
Good points, but I'm not convinced.	15.4%	[ 393 ]
You're wrong, and I will post my rebuttal.	11.5%	[ 293 ]
But it's True Love!	11.4%	[ 290 ]
Total Votes:			[ 2552 ]

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Dominic Knight

Yeah... Bella's logic is too screwy. She's unaffected by being attacked by James. She gets mad at Edward for calling her mom after the attack. Bella hates humans, and tends to refer to herself as not being human.... I do that in a joking manner, but I do admit to being human.

Yeah but she doesn't see how it could work any other way.

[Dominic Knight]

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

So, if you don't really love your boyfriend, you'd rather not be with him forever.

Just say you loved your boyfriend that you wanted to marry him. Would you want to spend all eternity with him? Or leave him for heaven?

Honestly! In Heaven you don't think you will see you loved one's agian?

If they're immortal, I don't think you would.

They can be killed.

...Yes, inTwilight the vampires can be killed. But if you're immortal you don't die.

Yes I know that, but if they are killed, what would you do then?
Oh and we are kinda talking about Twilight so thats all that matters.

Yes. Back to Twilight.

Bella does want to be immortal, because she wants to be with the person she loves. But Edward can't die unless killed by the Volturi. But if there was no way to kill the vampires in Meyer's story, than what would be the point of dying if the one you loved couldn't join you in Heaven?

Vampires are already a cursed species, and thus wouldn't be granted to Heaven, no matter the good they've done.

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Minari

I'll assume that you have no comment on my other points?

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Biology does not stop all humans form killing themselves

Nope, and I'm sure there are some very drastic things that would drive vampires to do it, too. But they would have to be a lot worse than that. Same way that something that would drive a mayfly to suicide would seem trivial to us.

And:I know it's Bella we're talking about. The fact that he forces Bella to conform to his beliefs (that vampires have no souls and no afterlife) and to have what he would want (an afterlife) is controlling of him. It's her life, she gets to choose how it ends.

1. I think that would be enough for Edward to commit suicide.
2. He does not conform to Edwards beliefs because she doesn't believe them as stated in the end of New Moon.

[Minari]

jenner_lee

Minari

I'll assume that you have no comment on my other points?

Quote:

Biology does not stop all humans form killing themselves

Nope, and I'm sure there are some very drastic things that would drive vampires to do it, too. But they would have to be a lot worse than that. Same way that something that would drive a mayfly to suicide would seem trivial to us.

And:I know it's Bella we're talking about. The fact that he forces Bella to conform to his beliefs (that vampires have no souls and no afterlife) and to have what he would want (an afterlife) is controlling of him. It's her life, she gets to choose how it ends.

1. I think that would be enough for Edward to commit suicide.
2. He does not conform to Edwards beliefs because she doesn't believe them as stated in the end of New Moon.

1. Now who's applying human mechanics to vampires?
2. I know she doesn't. But he takes the choice of becoming a vampire out of her hands, because of his belief. Thus controlling her life.

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

If they're immortal, I don't think you would.

They can be killed.

...Yes, inTwilight the vampires can be killed. But if you're immortal you don't die.

Yes I know that, but if they are killed, what would you do then?
Oh and we are kinda talking about Twilight so thats all that matters.

Yes. Back to Twilight.

Bella does want to be immortal, because she wants to be with the person she loves. But Edward can't die unless killed by the Volturi. But if there was no way to kill the vampires in Meyer's story, than what would be the point of dying if the one you loved couldn't join you in Heaven?

Vampires are already a cursed species, and thus wouldn't be granted to Heaven, no matter the good they've done.

Huh? What do you want to no what would happen if Vampires couldn't be killed? They can that all that matters but for the sake of it Bella would become one, I wouldn't.

[Minari]

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

If they're immortal, I don't think you would.

They can be killed.

...Yes, inTwilight the vampires can be killed. But if you're immortal you don't die.

Yes I know that, but if they are killed, what would you do then?
Oh and we are kinda talking about Twilight so thats all that matters.

Yes. Back to Twilight.

Bella does want to be immortal, because she wants to be with the person she loves. But Edward can't die unless killed by the Volturi. But if there was no way to kill the vampires in Meyer's story, than what would be the point of dying if the one you loved couldn't join you in Heaven?

Vampires are already a cursed species, and thus wouldn't be granted to Heaven, no matter the good they've done.

Huh? What do you want to no what would happen if Vampires couldn't be killed? They can that all that matters but for the sake of it Bella would become one, I wouldn't.

If vampires can't go to heaven, then why would Bella want to if all she wants is to be with Edward, is the point.

[Dominic Knight]

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

If they're immortal, I don't think you would.

They can be killed.

...Yes, inTwilight the vampires can be killed. But if you're immortal you don't die.

Yes I know that, but if they are killed, what would you do then?
Oh and we are kinda talking about Twilight so thats all that matters.

Yes. Back to Twilight.

Bella does want to be immortal, because she wants to be with the person she loves. But Edward can't die unless killed by the Volturi. But if there was no way to kill the vampires in Meyer's story, than what would be the point of dying if the one you loved couldn't join you in Heaven?

Vampires are already a cursed species, and thus wouldn't be granted to Heaven, no matter the good they've done.

Huh? What do you want to no what would happen if Vampires couldn't be killed? They can that all that matters but for the sake of it Bella would become one, I wouldn't.

Back to the main point.

Edward doesn't want Bella to become a vampire. He's being over protective because he's completely against the idea, besides the fact that he wants her to live a long life. Edward is making the choice for her. He did the same thing in the whole vote at the end of New Moon, where Bella asked the whole family. Everyone said yes expect for Rosalie and Edward. If he loves her so much, why would he let her die, and then just end life from there? That makes no sense. If you love someone to the extent that Edward does love Bella, you'd want to be with them forever. Thus he should want her to be immortal.

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Minari

jenner_lee

Minari

I'll assume that you have no comment on my other points?

Quote:

Biology does not stop all humans form killing themselves

Nope, and I'm sure there are some very drastic things that would drive vampires to do it, too. But they would have to be a lot worse than that. Same way that something that would drive a mayfly to suicide would seem trivial to us.

And:I know it's Bella we're talking about. The fact that he forces Bella to conform to his beliefs (that vampires have no souls and no afterlife) and to have what he would want (an afterlife) is controlling of him. It's her life, she gets to choose how it ends.

1. I think that would be enough for Edward to commit suicide.
2. He does not conform to Edwards beliefs because she doesn't believe them as stated in the end of New Moon.

1. Now who's applying human mechanics to vampires?
2. I know she doesn't. But he takes the choice of becoming a vampire out of her hands, because of his belief. Thus controlling her life.

1. Ah touche! But love is a little different, it transcends while, some of the things you pointed out seem to trivial
2.He won't do it, but he can't ans won't stop her if someone else [Carlise] will.

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

...Yes, inTwilight the vampires can be killed. But if you're immortal you don't die.

Yes I know that, but if they are killed, what would you do then?
Oh and we are kinda talking about Twilight so thats all that matters.

Yes. Back to Twilight.

Bella does want to be immortal, because she wants to be with the person she loves. But Edward can't die unless killed by the Volturi. But if there was no way to kill the vampires in Meyer's story, than what would be the point of dying if the one you loved couldn't join you in Heaven?

Vampires are already a cursed species, and thus wouldn't be granted to Heaven, no matter the good they've done.

Huh? What do you want to no what would happen if Vampires couldn't be killed? They can that all that matters but for the sake of it Bella would become one, I wouldn't.

Back to the main point.

Edward doesn't want Bella to become a vampire. He's being over protective because he's completely against the idea, besides the fact that he wants her to live a long life. Edward is making the choice for her. He did the same thing in the whole vote at the end of New Moon, where Bella asked the whole family. Everyone said yes expect for Rosalie and Edward. If he loves her so much, why would he let her die, and then just end life from there? That makes no sense. If you love someone to the extent that Edward does love Bella, you'd want to be with them forever. Thus he should want her to be immortal.

Because he want her to go to Heaven so when the world ends she won't go Hell!

[Dominic Knight]

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

...Yes, inTwilight the vampires can be killed. But if you're immortal you don't die.

Yes I know that, but if they are killed, what would you do then?
Oh and we are kinda talking about Twilight so thats all that matters.

Yes. Back to Twilight.

Bella does want to be immortal, because she wants to be with the person she loves. But Edward can't die unless killed by the Volturi. But if there was no way to kill the vampires in Meyer's story, than what would be the point of dying if the one you loved couldn't join you in Heaven?

Vampires are already a cursed species, and thus wouldn't be granted to Heaven, no matter the good they've done.

Huh? What do you want to no what would happen if Vampires couldn't be killed? They can that all that matters but for the sake of it Bella would become one, I wouldn't.

Back to the main point.

Edward doesn't want Bella to become a vampire. He's being over protective because he's completely against the idea, besides the fact that he wants her to live a long life. Edward is making the choice for her. He did the same thing in the whole vote at the end of New Moon, where Bella asked the whole family. Everyone said yes expect for Rosalie and Edward. If he loves her so much, why would he let her die, and then just end life from there? That makes no sense. If you love someone to the extent that Edward does love Bella, you'd want to be with them forever. Thus he should want her to be immortal.

Because he want her to go to Heaven so when the world ends she won't go Hell!

But if Edward can't live without her, then he'd want to be with her forever.

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

Yes. Back to Twilight.

Bella does want to be immortal, because she wants to be with the person she loves. But Edward can't die unless killed by the Volturi. But if there was no way to kill the vampires in Meyer's story, than what would be the point of dying if the one you loved couldn't join you in Heaven?

Vampires are already a cursed species, and thus wouldn't be granted to Heaven, no matter the good they've done.

Huh? What do you want to no what would happen if Vampires couldn't be killed? They can that all that matters but for the sake of it Bella would become one, I wouldn't.

Back to the main point.

Edward doesn't want Bella to become a vampire. He's being over protective because he's completely against the idea, besides the fact that he wants her to live a long life. Edward is making the choice for her. He did the same thing in the whole vote at the end of New Moon, where Bella asked the whole family. Everyone said yes expect for Rosalie and Edward. If he loves her so much, why would he let her die, and then just end life from there? That makes no sense. If you love someone to the extent that Edward does love Bella, you'd want to be with them forever. Thus he should want her to be immortal.

Because he want her to go to Heaven so when the world ends she won't go Hell!

But if Edward can't live without her, then he'd want to be with her forever.

There in lies the dilemma!! and why we have been talking about Edward killing himself!

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Minari

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

...Yes, inTwilight the vampires can be killed. But if you're immortal you don't die.

Yes I know that, but if they are killed, what would you do then?
Oh and we are kinda talking about Twilight so thats all that matters.

Yes. Back to Twilight.

Bella does want to be immortal, because she wants to be with the person she loves. But Edward can't die unless killed by the Volturi. But if there was no way to kill the vampires in Meyer's story, than what would be the point of dying if the one you loved couldn't join you in Heaven?

Vampires are already a cursed species, and thus wouldn't be granted to Heaven, no matter the good they've done.

Huh? What do you want to no what would happen if Vampires couldn't be killed? They can that all that matters but for the sake of it Bella would become one, I wouldn't.

If vampires can't go to heaven, then why would Bella want to if all she wants is to be with Edward, is the point.

Ahh okay then.

[Dominic Knight]

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Dominic Knight

Yes. Back to Twilight.

Bella does want to be immortal, because she wants to be with the person she loves. But Edward can't die unless killed by the Volturi. But if there was no way to kill the vampires in Meyer's story, than what would be the point of dying if the one you loved couldn't join you in Heaven?

Vampires are already a cursed species, and thus wouldn't be granted to Heaven, no matter the good they've done.

Huh? What do you want to no what would happen if Vampires couldn't be killed? They can that all that matters but for the sake of it Bella would become one, I wouldn't.

Back to the main point.

Edward doesn't want Bella to become a vampire. He's being over protective because he's completely against the idea, besides the fact that he wants her to live a long life. Edward is making the choice for her. He did the same thing in the whole vote at the end of New Moon, where Bella asked the whole family. Everyone said yes expect for Rosalie and Edward. If he loves her so much, why would he let her die, and then just end life from there? That makes no sense. If you love someone to the extent that Edward does love Bella, you'd want to be with them forever. Thus he should want her to be immortal.

Because he want her to go to Heaven so when the world ends she won't go Hell!

But if Edward can't live without her, then he'd want to be with her forever.

There in lies the dilemma!! and why we have been talking about Edward killing himself!

But him choosing for her, is being abusive and over protective.

[Minari]

jenner_lee

1. Ah touche! But love is a little different, it transcends while, some of the things you pointed out seem to trivial
2.He won't do it, but he can't ans won't stop her if someone else [Carlise] will.

1. Waitwait! No [insert explitive here] way! There is no possible way that you can say what goes and what doesn't. How do you know that he can love her but not abuse her? Doesn't that seem like cheating? Either he can love her enough to kill himself for her and he can abuse her, or he can do neither. Abuse transcends species, too. (As I have proven)
2. I'm sure he'd be damn upset about it. He'd probably seduce her into changing her mind, too.

@Domni:

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If you love someone to the extent that Edward does love Bella, you'd want to be with them forever. Thus he should want her to be immortal.

Not quite right. If he loves her that much he should want her to do what makes her happy/what she believes in. If that's being immortal, then he he can be upset about it, but should respect that decision.

[The Thrill of Twilight]

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