Edward Cullen - Abusive Boyfriend (Eclipse SPOILERS)

Your opinion?

I knew it all along.	61.8%	[ 1576 ]
Good points, but I'm not convinced.	15.4%	[ 393 ]
You're wrong, and I will post my rebuttal.	11.5%	[ 293 ]
But it's True Love!	11.4%	[ 290 ]
Total Votes:			[ 2552 ]

[Furthermore]

zarptiza

I still think that you guys don't see a forest behind a tree. Those "Edward-the-Abuser theory" pros would like Edward to be like normal human boy and love and respect his Bella in a way not all human boys are capable of. Those, who think Edward's hot, idealise Edward's behaviour and would like to be loved in a way Bella is loved in a book. They both don't see a book for what it is: a dream about first idealistic love of young people being preserved forever under miraculous circumstances. Rather shallow writing and character development, but Edwards behaviour is logical though. In an equal relationship partner should respect each other's opinion. What if relationship is not between equals? Mother and child relationship? Not that some mothers are not abusers, but normally, child's opinion is not always taken into consideration. Mothers do not let their children outside in their underwear in a winter day, though it may be the child's choice. Mothers decide what a child should or should not eat, wear, study etc. Some part of a child's choice is considered, but only to some extant.

Vampire kind take humans as food. Carlyle family is an exception, they take people as fragile, short living beings, whom they constantly deceit. Edwards clan do not heart people, but they do not live according to humans moral either. So why should Edward suddenly reconsider? To become an ideal role model for a human bf? Nice.

I suggest one logical test for boys affected by Edward Cullen perfection:

Can your shoulders live dents in a van's side without being crushed?

If YES, go stalking girls in their sleep.
If NO, go back to homework.

I'd first like to mention that it's definitely not helping you when you use the "mother and child" argument. A mother and child kind of relationship is not healthy when put into romantic circumstances.

But anyways, this is quite different from the mother and child relationship. Edward not being human does not change anything about decision-making. Just because he's a vampire does not mean he knows best. He has the same brain he always had, the difference is only that he is physically stronger than her. That does not mean he should be able to control her or abuse her.

Edward does live by human morals. The only time something is not a "human" moral is if humans have never had that moral and never could. In conclusion, if it's not OK for humans, it is not OK for vampires.

[Aldorel]

Foxby

Oh, sweet! I was right twice~ and acknowledged by Aldy! Now I can die happy. :3 It's like I found my Edwa--*shot*

eek *treats bullet wound*

I hope you're not expecting me to climb into your window at night...

Guma-chan

More posts? Wow... Now i REALLY thought this thread would be dead by NOW.... although it kinda is.... not a lot of arguments these days huh?

This is the thread that never dies. I am surprised by the lack of arguments... either people have stopped disagreeing, or the people who disagree are just ignoring the thread. *shrugs*

@Adorel: Hi! Do you remember me? I used to argue that Edward wasn't abusive but in the end i had to agree... I am agreeing even more now that I actually started reading Eclipse! When i was arguing i had only read Twilight and New Moon. But now that I am reading Eclipse, i can see your points. :]
^ The reason this thread exists. ^

I know - When I sat down to read Eclipse, I was thinking "if Meyer really pulls some character development here, she could still salvage Ed from the abusive heap." By the time I got to him sabotaging Bella's car to keep her away from Jacob... *sigh*

And you'd have to stay away for a little bit longer than this for me to forget about you.

Foxby

Lillewyn

Foxby

But who bases whether they agree or disagree on barely-popular opinion? D: That's just sad.

Actually, almost everyone does, on some level. What people around us say and do vastly affects the way we look at things. So no, it's not sad, it's normal. Besides, you're taking what I said out of context. And actually it's not barely popular, it isn't popular (49 % is less than 51 %); but it looks popular.

I never said which argument I thought was popular... xD;; And I'm just saying, you make it sound like neutral people look at the polls and say "THIS ONE HAS MORE VOTES SO IT MUST BE RIGHT!!"

It's close is the point. Yes, people often make their decisions based on majority opinion - but usually in the case of a significant majority, and even then it's poor reasoning. (I'm remembering someone coming into the thread and saying something to the effect of "the poll says 70% of Gaians disagree with you, and they can't be wrong, so you are wrong." ) Someone who makes their decision one way or another based on a few percentage points? Ridiculous.

I realize that the poll does give the illusion of there being a significant majority in the "Agree" column. However, I cannot take credit for that "clever" trick. Lillewyn, when I started this thread I wrote on the first page that I intended to respond to every post. Do you really think that I anticipated the poll collecting any significant number of responses?

And if I reset it now with just an agree/disagree/undecided, based on the recent responses in this thread, we'd probably end up with an actual majority of agreeing poll responses.

zarptiza

In an equal relationship partner should respect each other's opinion. What if relationship is not between equals?

If a relationship is not between equals, it's not a healthy romantic relationship. Furthermore is right - Edward is not Bella's parent. Thus, it's unacceptable for him to act like a parent. And even if superior judgment did entitle a boyfriend to make decisions for their girlfriend - which it doesn't - he's no better at making decisions about his own life than she is making decisions about hers, let alone when he tries to figure out what's good for her.

If Edward can't behave in a way that's acceptable by human standards, he should not be dating a human. It's that simple.

[Foxby]

Aldorel

Foxby

Oh, sweet! I was right twice~ and acknowledged by Aldy! Now I can die happy. :3 It's like I found my Edwa--*shot*

eek *treats bullet wound*

I hope you're not expecting me to climb into your window at night...

Are you saying you won't? D:

[Aldorel]

Foxby

Aldorel

Foxby

Oh, sweet! I was right twice~ and acknowledged by Aldy! Now I can die happy. :3 It's like I found my Edwa--*shot*

eek *treats bullet wound*

I hope you're not expecting me to climb into your window at night...

Are you saying you won't? D:

No, I won't. Nor will I sabotage your car. Or promise to buy my siblings luxury cars if they'll just kidnap you for a weekend. Sorry.

[Foxby]

Aldorel

Foxby

Aldorel

Foxby

Oh, sweet! I was right twice~ and acknowledged by Aldy! Now I can die happy. :3 It's like I found my Edwa--*shot*

eek *treats bullet wound*

I hope you're not expecting me to climb into your window at night...

Are you saying you won't? D:

No, I won't. Nor will I sabotage your car. Or promise to buy my siblings luxury cars if they'll just kidnap you for a weekend. Sorry.

Darn it! Will you at least call everyone I've ever met shallow and kiss me into riding your back?

Whoa, when it's a guy riding the girl's back it's like ten times creepier. ._.;;

[Myakachii]

I do agree with this, but Edward didn't take or destroy any of her belongings. D: He hid them under her floorboard. But, with the Edward being unstable argument, allegations could definately be raised against Bella for, "hearing voices."

[Foxby]

Myakachii

I do agree with this, but Edward didn't take or destroy any of her belongings. D: He hid them under her floorboard. But, with the Edward being unstable argument, allegations could definately be raised against Bella for, "hearing voices."

Hmm, isn't it basically the same? The point seems to be to make sure that Bella can't access them.

[hermie_the_frog]

Bump...

[SteamPunk Sadie]

Haha...I truly love this!
I never liked Edward anyway.
Through most ALL of the books I pictured myself slamming his head into a wall [TRUE]

[P l N E A P P L E S]

Shattered Phenomenon

Haha...I truly love this!
I never liked Edward anyway.
Through most ALL of the books I pictured myself slamming his head into a wall [TRUE]

Oh, wonderful. We should practice this on a regular basis.
So if the real Edward Cullen comes around, we'll be ready.
Do you think a watermelon is big enough, or is that too small
for his head?

[SteamPunk Sadie]

Princess Lilychu

Shattered Phenomenon

Haha...I truly love this!
I never liked Edward anyway.
Through most ALL of the books I pictured myself slamming his head into a wall [TRUE]

Oh, wonderful. We should practice this on a regular basis.
So if the real Edward Cullen comes around, we'll be ready.
Do you think a watermelon is big enough, or is that too small
for his head?

Much to small.
But I think we should burn him so he doesn't go around getting more 18(or was she 17 then?)year olds pregnant with mutant babies.
"I didn't know this could happen" Thats what they all say buddy :/. They made condoms so people wouldn't get pregnant.
Then he wanted her to have an abortion right?(or am I wrong, i can't remember) What a jack***. Take care of your baby!

[P l N E A P P L E S]

Shattered Phenomenon

Princess Lilychu

Shattered Phenomenon

Haha...I truly love this!
I never liked Edward anyway.
Through most ALL of the books I pictured myself slamming his head into a wall [TRUE]

Oh, wonderful. We should practice this on a regular basis.
So if the real Edward Cullen comes around, we'll be ready.
Do you think a watermelon is big enough, or is that too small
for his head?

Much to small.
But I think we should burn him so he doesn't go around getting more 18(or was she 17 then?)year olds pregnant with mutant babies.
"I didn't know this could happen" Thats what they all say buddy :/. They made condoms so people wouldn't get pregnant.
Then he want her to have an abortion right?(or am I wrong, i can't remember) What a jack***. Take care of your baby!

I think she was eighteen yes, and yeah I thought he's gone
to numerous high schools. Usually those things are covered
in what? For me, it was freshman year. And another yes, he
needs to take care of his baby. Despite the fact that she's a
spawn of the devil when in the womb.

[Aldorel]

In his defense, many of the readers got WTFs when they heard about that conception. 100-year-old gametes aren't usually viable...

Foxby

Aldorel

Foxby

Aldorel

Foxby

Oh, sweet! I was right twice~ and acknowledged by Aldy! Now I can die happy. :3 It's like I found my Edwa--*shot*

eek *treats bullet wound*

I hope you're not expecting me to climb into your window at night...

Are you saying you won't? D:

No, I won't. Nor will I sabotage your car. Or promise to buy my siblings luxury cars if they'll just kidnap you for a weekend. Sorry.

Darn it! Will you at least call everyone I've ever met shallow and kiss me into riding your back?

Whoa, when it's a guy riding the girl's back it's like ten times creepier. ._.;;

Well... I'd give you a piggy-back ride. Assuming I could actually physically carry you. Are you much over 100 pounds? smile

And I'm going to pretend that there's no double entendre involved in that sentence.

[suniasunshine]

Its just a series of books.
Not real.
Get over it.

[Foxby]

Aldorel

Foxby

Aldorel

Foxby

Aldorel

Foxby

Oh, sweet! I was right twice~ and acknowledged by Aldy! Now I can die happy. :3 It's like I found my Edwa--*shot*

eek *treats bullet wound*

I hope you're not expecting me to climb into your window at night...

Are you saying you won't? D:

No, I won't. Nor will I sabotage your car. Or promise to buy my siblings luxury cars if they'll just kidnap you for a weekend. Sorry.

Darn it! Will you at least call everyone I've ever met shallow and kiss me into riding your back?

Whoa, when it's a guy riding the girl's back it's like ten times creepier. ._.;;

Well... I'd give you a piggy-back ride. Assuming I could actually physically carry you. Are you much over 100 pounds? smile

And I'm going to pretend that there's no double entendre involved in that sentence.

Not much, actually! x3 About 110... which isn't entirely healthy for my height/age, but eh, it works. xP