Edward Cullen - Abusive Boyfriend (Eclipse SPOILERS)

Your opinion?

I knew it all along.	61.8%	[ 1576 ]
Good points, but I'm not convinced.	15.4%	[ 393 ]
You're wrong, and I will post my rebuttal.	11.5%	[ 293 ]
But it's True Love!	11.4%	[ 290 ]
Total Votes:			[ 2552 ]

[Minari]

jenner_lee

Yes I know you have many other points but This one you have brought up on more than once and now it is null and void and I find that very satisfactory.

It's not null or void. His life rests on hers and that restricts her freedom.

[Minari]

jenner_lee

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jenner_lee

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jenner_lee

I don't think you understand that quote Edward said he cannot live in a world where Bella does not exist. There's the difference!! He's not saying "If you leave my I'll kill myself" he's saying "If you die I'll kill myself!

Ah! See, that's what I need. Someone in the fan thread once pointed out that I'd accused Bella of being too ordinary and too unrealistic in the same postXD They're both true, but I need you guys to tell me exactly what it is that doesn't make sense, lest you come away thinking a fool of me.

You're right that he doesn't say that. However, it implies that he's a tad unstable and still takes her life out of her hands. Sure, he won't kill himself if she dumps him, but he still might do something irrational. And now she's less likely to feel the power to... control herself? I don't condone sacrificing yourself, or committing suicide, or any of that, but it does put that weight on her shoulders all the time, "if you die I'll kill myself."

I don't condone suicide either and while it does kind of show Edward as unstable the thing is he won't live for just five, ten, twenty, or one-hundred years, He will live FOREVER!!That's enough to drive anyone [or vampire] insane. To me insane vampires sound very frightening.

And I'm sure that mayflies find the prospects of living for 80 years terrifying. Somehow me manage. One has to assume that vampires have ways of not going crazy.

We may assume that living forever might not drive them crazy but living forever without the love of you life I find frightening.

Humans move on, why shouldn't vampires? Again, they can't live forever without having learned to let things go.

[Dominic Knight]

An argument is still an argument. And if I remember correctly, many other Twilight fans reuse the same evidence over and over again to try and make a point. We could bring up much more evidence if you'd like.

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Minari

jenner_lee

Minari

jenner_lee

Minari

jenner_lee

I don't think you understand that quote Edward said he cannot live in a world where Bella does not exist. There's the difference!! He's not saying "If you leave my I'll kill myself" he's saying "If you die I'll kill myself!

Ah! See, that's what I need. Someone in the fan thread once pointed out that I'd accused Bella of being too ordinary and too unrealistic in the same postXD They're both true, but I need you guys to tell me exactly what it is that doesn't make sense, lest you come away thinking a fool of me.

You're right that he doesn't say that. However, it implies that he's a tad unstable and still takes her life out of her hands. Sure, he won't kill himself if she dumps him, but he still might do something irrational. And now she's less likely to feel the power to... control herself? I don't condone sacrificing yourself, or committing suicide, or any of that, but it does put that weight on her shoulders all the time, "if you die I'll kill myself."

I don't condone suicide either and while it does kind of show Edward as unstable the thing is he won't live for just five, ten, twenty, or one-hundred years, He will live FOREVER!!That's enough to drive anyone [or vampire] insane. To me insane vampires sound very frightening.

And I'm sure that mayflies find the prospects of living for 80 years terrifying. Somehow me manage. One has to assume that vampires have ways of not going crazy.

We may assume that living forever might not drive them crazy but living forever without the love of you life I find frightening.

Humans move on, why shouldn't vampires? Again, they can't live forever without having learned to let things go.

Not every human moves on, their are individuals that don't so as an individual I don't think Edward would.

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Dominic Knight

An argument is still an argument. And if I remember correctly, many other Twilight fans reuse the same evidence over and over again to try and make a point. We could bring up much more evidence if you'd like.

Oh! please do! I'm having a very enjoyable time!! Please state your arguments! I would love to keep debating!

[Emerald of Your Eye]

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jenner_lee

Yes I know you have many other points but This one you have brought up on more than once and now it is null and void and I find that very satisfactory.

It's not null or void. His life rests on hers and that restricts her freedom.

How can she help dying? Bella has brought that up many times. Unless she is turned into a vampire then it wouldn't be a problem.

[Minari]

jenner_lee

Not every human moves on, their are individuals that don't so as an individual I don't think Edward would.

But you would think that they would have skills that allow them to move on, like, as a species. Like how we move on from a childhood crush; if we didn't, the race wouldn't go on. He must have some natural move-on powers, that would atleast allow him to recover somewhat.

@Domni: Look, my Knight in shining armour! (I'm so punny tonight)

[Minari]

jenner_lee

Minari

jenner_lee

Yes I know you have many other points but This one you have brought up on more than once and now it is null and void and I find that very satisfactory.

It's not null or void. His life rests on hers and that restricts her freedom.

How can she help dying? Bella has brought that up many times. Unless she is turned into a vampire then it wouldn't be a problem.

She can't. That's the point. She knows that one way or another she'll be responsible for his death.

[Dominic Knight]

jenner_lee

Minari

jenner_lee

Yes I know you have many other points but This one you have brought up on more than once and now it is null and void and I find that very satisfactory.

It's not null or void. His life rests on hers and that restricts her freedom.

How can she help dying? Bella has brought that up many times. Unless she is turned into a vampire then it wouldn't be a problem.

But see, Edward is being over protective of Bella by not wanting anyone in their family to turn her. Granted, Alice is willing to some extent, and so are other members. But Edward is really protective of her. I'd say why not. But he really doesn't want her to become a vampire.

[Dominic Knight]

Minari

@Domni: Look, my Knight in shining armour! (I'm so punny tonight)

'Nari! My princess~! (I'm in a punny mood too)

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Minari

jenner_lee

Not every human moves on, their are individuals that don't so as an individual I don't think Edward would.

But you would think that they would have skills that allow them to move on, like, as a species. Like how we move on from a childhood crush; if we didn't, the race wouldn't go on. He must have some natural move-on powers, that would atleast allow him to recover somewhat.

@Domni: Look, my Knight in shining armour! (I'm so punny tonight)

Yes I'm sure the species, but I said individuals And as an individual I don't think Edward would. He would try, but I don't think he could.

[Alice Parker]

jenner_lee

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jenner_lee

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jenner_lee

I don't condone suicide either and while it does kind of show Edward as unstable the thing is he won't live for just five, ten, twenty, or one-hundred years, He will live FOREVER!!That's enough to drive anyone [or vampire] insane. To me insane vampires sound very frightening.

And I'm sure that mayflies find the prospects of living for 80 years terrifying. Somehow me manage. One has to assume that vampires have ways of not going crazy.

We may assume that living forever might not drive them crazy but living forever without the love of you life I find frightening.

Humans move on, why shouldn't vampires? Again, they can't live forever without having learned to let things go.

Not every human moves on, their are individuals that don't so as an individual I don't think Edward would.

So just because some people don't move on you don't think Ed can. People, even already dead vampires that aren't humans but were, can surprise you.

[Minari]

Dominic Knight

Minari

@Domni: Look, my Knight in shining armour! (I'm so punny tonight)

'Nari! My princess~! (I'm in a punny mood too)

I am like a princess, aren't I? *Primps*

[Minari]

jenner_lee

Minari

jenner_lee

Not every human moves on, their are individuals that don't so as an individual I don't think Edward would.

But you would think that they would have skills that allow them to move on, like, as a species. Like how we move on from a childhood crush; if we didn't, the race wouldn't go on. He must have some natural move-on powers, that would atleast allow him to recover somewhat.

@Domni: Look, my Knight in shining armour! (I'm so punny tonight)

Yes I'm sure the species, but I said individuals And as an individual I don't think Edward would. He would try, but I don't think he could.

The idea is that even the rarest individual would have some power. Enough that they could live through it. Like how every human us born with hunger. This isn't about the psychology of the individual, but the biology of the species.

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Dominic Knight

jenner_lee

Minari

jenner_lee

Yes I know you have many other points but This one you have brought up on more than once and now it is null and void and I find that very satisfactory.

It's not null or void. His life rests on hers and that restricts her freedom.

How can she help dying? Bella has brought that up many times. Unless she is turned into a vampire then it wouldn't be a problem.

But see, Edward is being over protective of Bella by not wanting anyone in their family to turn her. Granted, Alice is willing to some extent, and so are other members. But Edward is really protective of her. I'd say why not. But he really doesn't want her to become a vampire.

Well if my boyfriend didn't want me to burn in hell I would find that sweet.

Oh! You know what I just released? If Edward really did want Bella to be nonsocial he would have changed her by now because as a new vampire they would have to go somewhere without humans. Or in other words alone