[ Poll ] Edward Cullen - Abusive Boyfriend (Eclipse SPOILERS)

Your opinion?

I knew it all along.		58.5%	[ 1322 ]
Good points, but I'm not convinced.		16.6%	[ 375 ]
You're wrong, and I will post my rebuttal.		12.5%	[ 283 ]
But it's True Love!		12.4%	[ 279 ]

Total Votes: 2259

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Minari

The Thrill of Twilight

Minari

An abusive boyfriend is an abusive boyfriend, regardless of species. "I'd die without you!" is a control tactic, regardless of whether he's a vampire. I don't see why it would be any other way.

There you have it wrong. A Vampire is more of an animal or a Noble Savage.....It compared with Animal Behaviors they are very closely related. To be honest Edward isn't abusive.....Be lot his human behaviors....remember.........He was learning how to be human! Come on , it your going to read the book, then learn how to read it correctly. rofl

Okay, so a man breaks his wife's arm in a rage because he saw her talking to another man. Is this abuse? Yes! Butwait! The guy's a vampire! Forget that, her arm doesn't hurt nearly so much anymore stare It doesn't matter who he is, but what happens to her.

EDIT: Also, he's had a hundred years to learn, he should be better by now.

That's an unfair analogy Edward has never raised a a hand to Bella and he never would because its his character! I would hate for you people to be in my English class when reading Romeo & Juliet

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Minari

Ms. Jenner, I don't suppose you read my rebuttal?

As a matter of fact I did and I find most of your reasoning laughable!

[Emerald of Your Eye]

The Thrill of Twilight

Jenner I leave the rest to you...Its more like they are being stubborn then anything. They are a closed window and haven't really read our response.

I know Carly! Enjoy your dinner.

[Minari]

jenner_lee

Minari

The Thrill of Twilight

Minari

An abusive boyfriend is an abusive boyfriend, regardless of species. "I'd die without you!" is a control tactic, regardless of whether he's a vampire. I don't see why it would be any other way.

There you have it wrong. A Vampire is more of an animal or a Noble Savage.....It compared with Animal Behaviors they are very closely related. To be honest Edward isn't abusive.....Be lot his human behaviors....remember.........He was learning how to be human! Come on , it your going to read the book, then learn how to read it correctly. rofl

Okay, so a man breaks his wife's arm in a rage because he saw her talking to another man. Is this abuse? Yes! Butwait! The guy's a vampire! Forget that, her arm doesn't hurt nearly so much anymore stare It doesn't matter who he is, but what happens to her.

EDIT: Also, he's had a hundred years to learn, he should be better by now.

That's an unfair analogy Edward has never raised a a hand to Bella and he never would because its his character! I would hate for you people to be in my English class when reading Romeo & Juliet

But he has hurt her in other ways. Who's to say physical is worse than mental? It was supposed to show that if someone's getting hurt it's abuse, regardless of species.

And what about my reasoning was laughable? Give me examples.

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Minari

The Thrill of Twilight

Minari

The Thrill of Twilight

I'm sorry, but commiting sucide shows more devotion then giving a girls flowers. Not being abusive.

Actually, if you'd read the rebuttals, you would have seen it stated several times that telling someone you would die without them is a control tactic. We all know that Bella would never leave Edward, freak that she is, but if she did want to, could she do it knowing it would cause his death? Control Tactic Look! This is what it is! Imagine someone writes a book about someone committing suicide, and it leads someone to do so; things happen in books that authors didn't intend!

Edit to Clarify: Therefor, Edward and Bella can be in a relationship that would be abusive in real life, regardless of whether the author or the characters know it.

He said she could always leave him ...It's in the bloody book.

Just because he said it, doesn't mean it's the truth. Sheesh. Putting the two quotes together, it runs like this, "you can leave whenever you want, I'll just kill myself if you do."

I don't think you understand that quote Edward said he cannot live in a world where Bella does not exist. There's the difference!! He's not saying "If you leave my I'll kill myself" he's saying "If you die I'll kill myself!

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Minari

jenner_lee

Minari

The Thrill of Twilight

Minari

An abusive boyfriend is an abusive boyfriend, regardless of species. "I'd die without you!" is a control tactic, regardless of whether he's a vampire. I don't see why it would be any other way.

There you have it wrong. A Vampire is more of an animal or a Noble Savage.....It compared with Animal Behaviors they are very closely related. To be honest Edward isn't abusive.....Be lot his human behaviors....remember.........He was learning how to be human! Come on , it your going to read the book, then learn how to read it correctly. rofl

Okay, so a man breaks his wife's arm in a rage because he saw her talking to another man. Is this abuse? Yes! Butwait! The guy's a vampire! Forget that, her arm doesn't hurt nearly so much anymore stare It doesn't matter who he is, but what happens to her.

EDIT: Also, he's had a hundred years to learn, he should be better by now.

That's an unfair analogy Edward has never raised a a hand to Bella and he never would because its his character! I would hate for you people to be in my English class when reading Romeo & Juliet

But he has hurt her in other ways. Who's to say physical is worse than mental? It was supposed to show that if someone's getting hurt it's abuse, regardless of species.

And what about my reasoning was laughable? Give me examples.

See above, that's why. From what I gather you are an intelligent person and how you can misunderstand a quote and basically use it for your whole argument, that's laughable.

[Alice Parker]

Either way he ends up dead. No, wait, a lifeless corpse.

[Minari]

jenner_lee

I don't think you understand that quote Edward said he cannot live in a world where Bella does not exist. There's the difference!! He's not saying "If you leave my I'll kill myself" he's saying "If you die I'll kill myself!

Ah! See, that's what I need. Someone in the fan thread once pointed out that I'd accused Bella of being too ordinary and too unrealistic in the same postXD They're both true, but I need you guys to tell me exactly what it is that doesn't make sense, lest you come away thinking a fool of me.

You're right that he doesn't say that. However, it implies that he's a tad unstable and still takes her life out of her hands. Sure, he won't kill himself if she dumps him, but he still might do something irrational. And now she's less likely to feel the power to... control herself? I don't condone sacrificing yourself, or committing suicide, or any of that, but it does put that weight on her shoulders all the time, "if you die I'll kill myself."

[Minari]

jenner_lee

See above, that's why. From what I gather you are an intelligent person and how you can misunderstand a quote and basically use it for your whole argument, that's laughable.

Er, I wrote, like, a page of argument. It was not all based on that.

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Minari

jenner_lee

See above, that's why. From what I gather you are an intelligent person and how you can misunderstand a quote and basically use it for your whole argument, that's laughable.

Er, I wrote, like, a page of argument. It was not all based on that.

Ahh! But that seems to be one of your bigger ones.

[Minari]

jenner_lee

Minari

jenner_lee

See above, that's why. From what I gather you are an intelligent person and how you can misunderstand a quote and basically use it for your whole argument, that's laughable.

Er, I wrote, like, a page of argument. It was not all based on that.

Ahh! But that seems to be one of your bigger ones.

Read the argument again, then say that. I made a host of different points, thanks. And incase you say, "prove it," remember that proof lies in the hands of the accuser biggrin

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Minari

jenner_lee

I don't think you understand that quote Edward said he cannot live in a world where Bella does not exist. There's the difference!! He's not saying "If you leave my I'll kill myself" he's saying "If you die I'll kill myself!

Ah! See, that's what I need. Someone in the fan thread once pointed out that I'd accused Bella of being too ordinary and too unrealistic in the same postXD They're both true, but I need you guys to tell me exactly what it is that doesn't make sense, lest you come away thinking a fool of me.

You're right that he doesn't say that. However, it implies that he's a tad unstable and still takes her life out of her hands. Sure, he won't kill himself if she dumps him, but he still might do something irrational. And now she's less likely to feel the power to... control herself? I don't condone sacrificing yourself, or committing suicide, or any of that, but it does put that weight on her shoulders all the time, "if you die I'll kill myself."

I don't condone suicide either and while it does kind of show Edward as unstable the thing is he won't live for just five, ten, twenty, or one-hundred years, He will live FOREVER!!That's enough to drive anyone [or vampire] insane. To me insane vampires sound very frightening.

[Minari]

jenner_lee

Minari

jenner_lee

I don't think you understand that quote Edward said he cannot live in a world where Bella does not exist. There's the difference!! He's not saying "If you leave my I'll kill myself" he's saying "If you die I'll kill myself!

Ah! See, that's what I need. Someone in the fan thread once pointed out that I'd accused Bella of being too ordinary and too unrealistic in the same postXD They're both true, but I need you guys to tell me exactly what it is that doesn't make sense, lest you come away thinking a fool of me.

You're right that he doesn't say that. However, it implies that he's a tad unstable and still takes her life out of her hands. Sure, he won't kill himself if she dumps him, but he still might do something irrational. And now she's less likely to feel the power to... control herself? I don't condone sacrificing yourself, or committing suicide, or any of that, but it does put that weight on her shoulders all the time, "if you die I'll kill myself."

I don't condone suicide either and while it does kind of show Edward as unstable the thing is he won't live for just five, ten, twenty, or one-hundred years, He will live FOREVER!!That's enough to drive anyone [or vampire] insane. To me insane vampires sound very frightening.

And I'm sure that mayflies find the prospects of living for 80 years terrifying. Somehow me manage. One has to assume that vampires have ways of not going crazy.

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Minari

jenner_lee

Minari

jenner_lee

See above, that's why. From what I gather you are an intelligent person and how you can misunderstand a quote and basically use it for your whole argument, that's laughable.

Er, I wrote, like, a page of argument. It was not all based on that.

Ahh! But that seems to be one of your bigger ones.

Read the argument again, then say that. I made a host of different points, thanks. And incase you say, "prove it," remember that proof lies in the hands of the accuser biggrin

Yes I know you have many other points but This one you have brought up on more than once and now it is null and void and I find that very satisfactory.

[Emerald of Your Eye]

Minari

jenner_lee

Minari

jenner_lee

I don't think you understand that quote Edward said he cannot live in a world where Bella does not exist. There's the difference!! He's not saying "If you leave my I'll kill myself" he's saying "If you die I'll kill myself!

Ah! See, that's what I need. Someone in the fan thread once pointed out that I'd accused Bella of being too ordinary and too unrealistic in the same postXD They're both true, but I need you guys to tell me exactly what it is that doesn't make sense, lest you come away thinking a fool of me.

You're right that he doesn't say that. However, it implies that he's a tad unstable and still takes her life out of her hands. Sure, he won't kill himself if she dumps him, but he still might do something irrational. And now she's less likely to feel the power to... control herself? I don't condone sacrificing yourself, or committing suicide, or any of that, but it does put that weight on her shoulders all the time, "if you die I'll kill myself."

I don't condone suicide either and while it does kind of show Edward as unstable the thing is he won't live for just five, ten, twenty, or one-hundred years, He will live FOREVER!!That's enough to drive anyone [or vampire] insane. To me insane vampires sound very frightening.

And I'm sure that mayflies find the prospects of living for 80 years terrifying. Somehow me manage. One has to assume that vampires have ways of not going crazy.

We may assume that living forever might not drive them crazy but living forever without the love of you life I find frightening.