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An abusive boyfriend is an abusive boyfriend, regardless of species. "I'd die without you!" is a control tactic, regardless of whether he's a vampire. I don't see why it would be any other way.
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You do know that you don't have to be here, right? confused

I have ever right. I can put in as many comments as I would like.
Okay then, what are your arguments? you have the floor, say what you will.

I don't want the floor i just like to post little comments here in there. I like to have my own Opinion in thing. Sorry if it bothers you.
Oh no, by all means. I just wanted you to know that I'll listen to your arguments.
Fine i like to start by saying i hate and even more hate Edward, but i see the reason but they connect to abusive boyfriend your twisting the words and meaning of the book.
I would love to continue but i must be going but i will be back as soon as i can.
but please by all means explain how you think Edward is abusive.
sorry if there is anything mispelled or anything like that. (in a bit of a rush)
Minari
An abusive boyfriend is an abusive boyfriend, regardless of species. "I'd die without you!" is a control tactic, regardless of whether he's a vampire. I don't see why it would be any other way.


There you have it wrong. A Vampire is more of an animal or a Noble Savage.....It compared with Animal Behaviors they are very closely related. To be honest Edward isn't abusive.....Be lot his human behaviors....remember.........He was learning how to be human! Come on , it your going to read the book, then learn how to read it correctly. rofl
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Minari
An abusive boyfriend is an abusive boyfriend, regardless of species. "I'd die without you!" is a control tactic, regardless of whether he's a vampire. I don't see why it would be any other way.


There you have it wrong. A Vampire is more of an animal or a Noble Savage.....It compared with Animal Behaviors they are very closely related. To be honest Edward isn't abusive.....Be lot his human behaviors....remember.........He was learning how to be human! Come on , it your going to read the book, then learn how to read it correctly. rofl


Okay, so a man breaks his wife's arm in a rage because he saw her talking to another man. Is this abuse? Yes! Butwait! The guy's a vampire! Forget that, her arm doesn't hurt nearly so much anymore stare It doesn't matter who he is, but what happens to her.

EDIT: Also, he's had a hundred years to learn, he should be better by now.
doometh
Fiction is to be enjoyed. Why must people over-analyze everything and destroy the whole point of a fiction novel?

I don't understand why people go to such lengths to destroy a work of fiction. Sure, I understand that you may not like it, but why destroy it for the rest of us?

Your arguement is strong, but I don't agree with it.

#1: Edward is not jealous of Jacob. Jacob is a werewolf: plain and simple. You saw poor Emily; because Sam Uley lost control of himself one time, he completely destroyed Emily's face. Jacob could loose control any time and injure Bella. Though the same goes for Edward, he takes precautionary measures by making sure he feeds before meeting with her. For example, the day before he went to the Meadow with Bella, Edward and Alice went hunting. Jacob can't make any attempt to make Bella safer; if he looses control, he looses control.

#2: When Bella came to Forks High School on her first day, she didn't try very hard to make friends in the first place. She didn't even know Edward that first week, I believe it is, and she didn't make any attempt to get closer to her friends than she already was. (SPOILER) Besides, if you've read the first chapter of Eclipse, Charlie will only take Bella off of groundage if she agrees to spend more time with her friends. Also, according to that first chapter, Angela Weber and Ben Cheney, as well as Mike Newton, to some extent, didn't isolate away from Bella. (/SPOILER)

#3 Edward attempts suicide because he thought Bella killed herself first. If I recall correctly, Bella had gone cliff-diving. Alice had seen a vision of her jumping, but no vision of Jacob resuing her. Rosalie found out and called Edward, telling him Bella killed herself in an attempt to bring him home (check Stephenie's website for that portion of the novel, as told by Edward himself). That didn't work; it actually had the opposite effect. Edward went to Italy to convince the Volturi to kill him.

#4: Edward doesn't encourage Bella to lie; she lies because she chooses to. She created the Seattle story simply because she didn't want to go to the dance. She finally decided she was really going to go to get some books, clothes, et cetra. She told Jessica she and Edward were going to Seattle together. Now, I will admit that once they changed their plans, Bella did lie to Charlie about going with Edward, but only because she chose to lie; Edward wanted her to tell the truth. Oh, you also said that he says the whole thing about bringing her back alive; it's him trying to convice her to tell someone where she is, whereas she does not listen.

#5: At the Meadow, Edward demonstrates his vampiric abilities to Bella. That's the only time she is afraid of him, if I do recall. And, as I said above, he takes precautionary measures to feed before being around Bella for long periods of time, like at the Meadow.

#6: Edward doesn't make Bella's decisions for her. The whole prom thing wasn't his fault; if I am correct (and I probably am, seeing as I read the book for the third time last night), Charlie was in on the prom thing as well. Her whole birthday thing -- she didn't ask gifts from anyone, but Charlie and Renée got her something, too. The whole reason for celebrating her birthday because the last birthday the Cullens celebrated was Emmett's, and it was... a really long time ago, in 1935, to be exact. All they wanted to do was have a little fun with this trival human tradition that they haven't celebrated in over eighty years.

The whole James thing -- everyone was taking steps to ensure Bella's safety. They wanted to get her away from James as soon as possible. If they had not, James would probably have gotten at her. Now, which would be worse? Anyway, Edward was acting irrationally, not remembering Charlie, but once Alice and Emmett realize what Bella's trying to get at, they try to make him stop as well, but he won't listen until they manage to convince him.

When Edward wants to run with Bella on his back, Bella's just being difficult. It's just like when she rides in his car; the ride is easier when she doesn't look until it's over. He tries to convince her of that, but she's just being stubborn. Sure, he manipulated her, but how else were they supposed to get to the clearing? The story would never progress if they just walked.

#7: Yes, Edward watches Bella while she sleeps, but when she does learn about it, she makes no attempt to stop him from staying over. In fact, she encourages it.


There. You have my two cents. I am a fan who likes to think, but the way; if I didn't I wouldn't have gone through the book to rebut your accusations.


8/7/07 is when Eclipse comes out, and it's my birthday. ^^


Thank You!!
Ms. Jenner, I don't suppose you read my rebuttal?
The Thrill of Twilight
Well, this is one of the stupidest threads I have ever laid eyes on.


Thank you Carly!
jenner_lee
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Well, this is one of the stupidest threads I have ever laid eyes on.


Thank you Carly!


Why, because we disagree with you? We post good points, we don't make personal attacks. A lot of fan threads can't say as much.
Minari
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Minari
An abusive boyfriend is an abusive boyfriend, regardless of species. "I'd die without you!" is a control tactic, regardless of whether he's a vampire. I don't see why it would be any other way.


There you have it wrong. A Vampire is more of an animal or a Noble Savage.....It compared with Animal Behaviors they are very closely related. To be honest Edward isn't abusive.....Be lot his human behaviors....remember.........He was learning how to be human! Come on , it your going to read the book, then learn how to read it correctly. rofl


Okay, so a man breaks his wife's arm in a rage because he saw her talking to another man. Is this abuse? Yes! Butwait! The guy's a vampire! Forget that, her arm doesn't hurt nearly so much anymore stare It doesn't matter who he is, but what happens to her.

EDIT: Also, he's had a hundred years to learn, he should be better by now.


Wow that wasn't much of an argument.....We are not using crap out of the real world...this is a book. He is a made up character. The fact that you had to use information that has never happened in the book is also pointing aganist you. I'm sorry ,but your supporting information is very weak and I think that I'm bored now. So I shall leave and let you have your false beliefs. Enjoy! 3nodding
Minari
jenner_lee
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Well, this is one of the stupidest threads I have ever laid eyes on.


Thank you Carly!


Why, because we disagree with you? We post good points, we don't make personal attacks. A lot of fan threads can't say as much.


Don't make personal Attacks ...Wow that made me laugh. All you have done is say that Edward is abusive. Oh and I think that your a tad angry now........
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Minari
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Minari
An abusive boyfriend is an abusive boyfriend, regardless of species. "I'd die without you!" is a control tactic, regardless of whether he's a vampire. I don't see why it would be any other way.


There you have it wrong. A Vampire is more of an animal or a Noble Savage.....It compared with Animal Behaviors they are very closely related. To be honest Edward isn't abusive.....Be lot his human behaviors....remember.........He was learning how to be human! Come on , it your going to read the book, then learn how to read it correctly. rofl


Okay, so a man breaks his wife's arm in a rage because he saw her talking to another man. Is this abuse? Yes! Butwait! The guy's a vampire! Forget that, her arm doesn't hurt nearly so much anymore stare It doesn't matter who he is, but what happens to her.

EDIT: Also, he's had a hundred years to learn, he should be better by now.


Wow that wasn't much of an argument.....We are not using crap out of the real world...this is a book. He is a made up character. The fact that you had to use information that has never happened in the book is also pointing aganist you. I'm sorry ,but your supporting information is very weak and I think that I'm bored now. So I shall leave and let you have your false beliefs. Enjoy! 3nodding

It was an analogy. It doesn't matter what Edward's reasons are, what matters is how it affects Bella. Granted, it doesn't affect Bella, but if Ms. Meyer were any kind of writer she would rolleyes Bella ends up in his control, friendless and dependant, regardless of his species.

I have given situations where he has shown control tactics, manipulated her, etc! How is that "just saying he's abusive"? And I actually was not angry at her in the least, I just wanted to know if that was it.
Jenner I leave the rest to you...Its more like they are being stubborn then anything. They are a closed window and haven't really read our response.
Minari
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Minari
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I'm sorry, but commiting sucide shows more devotion then giving a girls flowers. Not being abusive.


Actually, if you'd read the rebuttals, you would have seen it stated several times that telling someone you would die without them is a control tactic. We all know that Bella would never leave Edward, freak that she is, but if she did want to, could she do it knowing it would cause his death? Control Tactic Look! This is what it is! Imagine someone writes a book about someone committing suicide, and it leads someone to do so; things happen in books that authors didn't intend!

Edit to Clarify: Therefor, Edward and Bella can be in a relationship that would be abusive in real life, regardless of whether the author or the characters know it.


He said she could always leave him ...It's in the bloody book.


Just because he said it, doesn't mean it's the truth. Sheesh. Putting the two quotes together, it runs like this, "you can leave whenever you want, I'll just kill myself if you do."

Yes but that doesn't make it untrue! If Bella wanted to go out with somebody else I'm sure Edward would be hurt but he would let her go. Unless it was Jacob because he's dangerous and Look at Poor Emily, Edward just doesn't want Bella to get hurt. It's like if a girl started going out with a rapist [NOT that I think Jacob is one] and her ex telling her she shouldn't.
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Minari
Did you read the essay? The rebuttles? We have posted Very. Clear. reasons we think he's abusive.


Oh, but half of them you took out of context........Its like you read into something that never existed.
I agree.
jenner_lee

Yes but that doesn't make it untrue! If Bella wanted to go out with somebody else I'm sure Edward would be hurt but he would let her go. Unless it was Jacob because he's dangerous and Look at Poor Emily, Edward just doesn't want Bella to get hurt. It's like if a girl started going out with a rapist [NOT that I think Jacob is one] and her ex telling her she shouldn't.


You're absolutely right, it doesn't make it untrue. At this point we're getting into the speculitive, so I'll leave alone what he would do. What matter's is what she'd think he'd do. It's what affects her actions. She knows that he is completely obesessed with her, and now she think his life depends on her. Not liable to leave him like that.

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