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even if we gave it the rights of a born person, Bodily Integrity laws clearly state that one person may not use another person's body without ongoing consent, even in matter of life and death.
So a fetus still wouldn't have the rights to stay there unless mom said it could. Removing still wouldn't be murder.

Abortion is illegal after the point of viability just about everywhere in the world. It's not murder, no, but it is still illegal.

Well by viability, I think that would be considered "ongoing" consent. That, and the law protects the mother's right to remove the fetus, not necessarily kill it. Because of medical laws to protect people, a viable fetus could be removed via c-section, but not aborted unless it was very likely it wouldn't live anyway.

...Don't argue with me on this. I mentioned it because it is in fact a law and most pro-lifers will argue about "partial birth" abortions being legal, when in fact they are not as an elective procedure.

No I know, I'm just saying that even if we gave a fetus the rights of a person, they could still be removed. I was more or less piggybacking on to what you were saying.

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You could say that too. But I don't think it's true. But a fetus has life how could it not fit the definition of murder. You are taking away a innocent life.

If abortion were considered murder then women could be charged with manslaughter for miscarrying.

A woman can miscarry at any time during her pregnancy. Babies are born dead. Not every fertilized egg that implants will even develop into a baby (this is called a blighted ovum).

The technical term for miscarriage is "spontaneous abortion". It is abortion that happens naturally.

A fetus is not a person. It is a potential person that upon it's ability to live outside of the woman's body is granted rights. Abortions are illegal after the point of viability (when it can be expected to live outside the womb) except when the mother's life is in danger.

To give a blastocyst, embryo, zygote or a fetus rights and to call abortion murder would be arguing against nature and damning a woman's body for doing what it must.

You can't charge someone with manslaughter if a "spontaneous abortion" happens. It happens naturally. Going to a clinic to get one , isn't.
And a fetus is a person. Just because it doesn't look like one, doesn't mean it's not one. And there is such thing as "partial birth". It's not fully illegal.

And I don't really have a response for the last part.It's like two unmoveable and unstoppable forces go against each other, what happens? Pro-choice people and Pro-Life people are like that.

Actually, you could charge them with just that. Manslaughter is an accidental killing. If a woman miscarried, an investigation would have to be done to assure that the miscarriage was not her fault. If it's shown that she was a negative blood type and didn't get a shot, didn't take her vitamins on time, was stressed, had sex knowing that her uterus couldn't carry pregnancy well, fell down due to heels/ not turning the lights on / not having a house with everything picked up / had a snag in the carpet that hadn't been fixed, she could go to jail.

Thus, the last portion of my previous post.

It's like two unmoveable and unstoppable forces go against each other, what happens? Pro-choice people and Pro-Life people are like that.


Dude, seriously? We could go on about this for a long time. But in the end, you will still be Pro-Choice and I will still be Pro-Life. I have things to do now, so I'm leaving. However, I didn't know debating could be fun. haha.
Well, bye now.

What the hell does that mean? I debated nothing in that post, I just told you why manslaughter is the logical charge for miscarriage if murder is for abortion.
Oh wait, did you just cover your ears and go "lalalalalalaaa!"?
Y'know, you SHOULD lurk around and learn these things, because if you want to make a strong point and be educated about what you're saying, you need to know these kinds of things. There's no point to having an opinion when you don't even know why you feel that way and what it means in the big picture of things.

Please don't make me angry.
No. I did not cover my ears and go "lalalala~"
It's because I actually have things to do then just waste my time here.
When I don't even know why I feel this way?
What?
Sorry, but I know exactly why I feel this way and why I argue against you.
Because I don't kill babies because of failed contraceptives.
Or I don't consider a fetus an "it" but a baby. Something with life.
If I had an unwanted and unborn child inside of me. I would have the damn thing and give it up for adoption.
Maybe I don't have a strong point like you do, but I know exactly what I'm talking about.
Don't act like you know more than me about this just because youre probably older than me.
I know where I stand in this situation and that's where I'm going to keep standing.
You know I only came back because I knew you were going to say something like this..
Goodbye.

EDIT: Yeah, I know I said 'it' in a sentence around there. But I don't want to keep repeating "he/she".

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I know more than you because rather than be petty, I went into abortion topics only when I had done my research.
And y'know what? That research is why I'm pro-choice. I was probably just as ignorant as you when I started, though I was never rash enough to say that I would just handle a pregnancy with no problems. Even then I had an inkling that that would never be true.
So it's not at all my age that makes me more informed than you, it's the time put into educating myself.

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Lisa knight

To be honest with you abortion is murder wether you beleive it or not
the baby is a living being..

You should put yourself in the babies eyes and helpless form. I ask you this if you wer that developing baby would you want to live or die?

I'm highly postive nearly 95% of mothers agree with this even if 5% dont want to go thru with their pregnancie's.

The baby is a living being wether its developing in our bodies or not its still a living human being.

I'm 100% against abortion.

It's not right killing an inocent child cuz we wer raped by another guy that we dont like.

Theirs places where you could put your child up for adoption if you dont want him/her.

Killing an inocent child cuz we dont want them isn't right nor is murder.

Don't make the mistake of killing an inocent baby that did nothing to deserve that horrible fate.

Whoaaa I read your profile, and I don't think you're telling the truth. I mean god damn, if you did , you wouldn't be FLAUNTING your rape on your profile, as another victim of rape I don't hardly ever talk about it unless I feel the need to , and even that is hard.

1. Abortion isn't murder, I'm just gonna put it simply there. I don't believe abortion is something done out of cold blood to a living person.

2. Fetuses don't think.

3. Most mothers are pro-choice, as they realize, another woman's uterus is not their's.

4. I don't believe a fetus is living until it is born, and it has it's first breath. Then it is a living human baby.

5. Good for you, you realize you should only worry about your own body right?

6. I'm a rape victim myself, and I didn't feel the fetus was innocent, I'm sorry, I just never thought it was innocent, as much as I love children. The fetus terrorized my mind, I feel free without it.

7.Oh right, so I want some family to end up with my child, and when it's actually alive, they'd beat it to death, oh what a happy life!

8. No.

9. I think being unloved and feared by your mother is a worse fate than being aborted before thought is even possible.

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Lisa knight

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Discuss why you agree and why you don't. Also try to be open minded towards other peoples opinions. D< Abortion is not murder, btw.









Pro-Choice ftw heart

To be honest with you abortion is murder wether you beleive it or not
the baby is a living being..

You should put yourself in the babies eyes and helpless form. I ask you this if you wer that developing baby would you want to live or die?

I'm highly postive nearly 95% of mothers agree with this even if 5% dont want to go thru with their pregnancie's.

The baby is a living being wether its developing in our bodies or not its still a living human being.

I'm 100% against abortion.

It's not right killing an inocent child cuz we wer raped by another guy that we dont like.

Theirs places where you could put your child up for adoption if you dont want him/her.

Killing an inocent child cuz we dont want them isn't right nor is murder.

Don't make the mistake of killing an inocent baby that did nothing to deserve that horrible fate.

whoo, i'm with you, girl! i'm completely against abortion. and it is murder. fetuses are people too and they do have feelings and then can feel stuff. if they're not human beings inside the mother and they don't have feelings, then how can they hear their mother's voice? people have their choices and opinions; i'm just totally 100% against abortion.

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Lisa knight

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Discuss why you agree and why you don't. Also try to be open minded towards other peoples opinions. D< Abortion is not murder, btw.









Pro-Choice ftw heart

To be honest with you abortion is murder wether you beleive it or not
the baby is a living being..

You should put yourself in the babies eyes and helpless form. I ask you this if you wer that developing baby would you want to live or die?

I'm highly postive nearly 95% of mothers agree with this even if 5% dont want to go thru with their pregnancie's.

The baby is a living being wether its developing in our bodies or not its still a living human being.

I'm 100% against abortion.

It's not right killing an inocent child cuz we wer raped by another guy that we dont like.

Theirs places where you could put your child up for adoption if you dont want him/her.

Killing an inocent child cuz we dont want them isn't right nor is murder.

Don't make the mistake of killing an inocent baby that did nothing to deserve that horrible fate.

whoo, i'm with you, girl! i'm completely against abortion. and it is murder. fetuses are people too and they do have feelings and then can feel stuff. if they're not human beings inside the mother and they don't have feelings, then how can they hear their mother's voice? people have their choices and opinions; i'm just totally 100% against abortion.

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They can't do that until they're near the end of the term, and that's when abortion is illegal anyway.

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whoo, i'm with you, girl! i'm completely against abortion. and it is murder. fetuses are people too and they do have feelings and then can feel stuff. if they're not human beings inside the mother and they don't have feelings, then how can they hear their mother's voice? people have their choices and opinions; i'm just totally 100% against abortion.

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Stop calling it murder. Murder is a very specific legal term. Stop misusing it for your agenda.

Be against abortion all you want, but face facts and realize the truth.

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Lisa knight

To be honest with you abortion is murder wether you beleive it or not
the baby is a living being..

You're wrong. Murder is a law term, if abortion were murder, it would be against the law.

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whoo, i'm with you, girl! i'm completely against abortion. and it is murder. fetuses are people too and they do have feelings and then can feel stuff. if they're not human beings inside the mother and they don't have feelings, then how can they hear their mother's voice? people have their choices and opinions; i'm just totally 100% against abortion.

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...I was unaware beings without spinal cords could actually, as you put it 'feel stuff'.

A little more surreal.

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Debates like this aren't going to solve anything. Reason why? You get humanitarian Christian do-gooders who believe it's murder and thus should be illegal. You get the more liberal atheist figures who believe it should be up to the person. As soon as someone makes a decision to make it illegal-or-legal and keep it that way, the sooner these debates will blink out of existence.

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Debates like this aren't going to solve anything. Reason why? You get humanitarian Christian do-gooders who believe it's murder and thus should be illegal. You get the more liberal atheist figures who believe it should be up to the person. As soon as someone makes a decision to make it illegal-or-legal and keep it that way, the sooner these debates will blink out of existence.

Not all theist are pro-life and not all atheist are pro-choice. The decision has already been made. It's been made for several decades. Abortion is legal. It's just something that will always be controversial.

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i think its wrong but then again its ok. its wrong to kill something that you created but then againg, its something you dont want. i think you should just have the baby and put it up for adoption. that way it will have a better life.

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Debates like this aren't going to solve anything. Reason why? You get humanitarian Christian do-gooders who believe it's murder and thus should be illegal. You get the more liberal atheist figures who believe it should be up to the person. As soon as someone makes a decision to make it illegal-or-legal and keep it that way, the sooner these debates will blink out of existence.

That dosnt make sense, really? you have no argument at all.

It doesn't make sense because you believe I'm attempting to argue something. I'm not. I'm just stating fact.