Abortion <33

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Lexia_Starr

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*shrugs*
I know everyone has a choice.
Some people just make stupid choices.
Like you know, choosing abortion.

What exactly makes getting an abortion "stupid"?

I could just say something like "Because it's murder!" or "You're taking a life away!" or even "You're not giving the baby a choice to live!"
But we all know you might say something in response such as "It's not even human." or "It's not even alive" or something of the sort.

Actually, I was going to say that the fetus is capable of knowing or caring, that life is taken away all the time, and that abortion in no way fits the definition of murder (and no, you can't just use it as some emotional term you can throw around).

You could say that too. But I don't think it's true. But a fetus has life how could it not fit the definition of murder. You are taking away a innocent life.

If abortion were considered murder then women could be charged with manslaughter for miscarrying.

A woman can miscarry at any time during her pregnancy. Babies are born dead. Not every fertilized egg that implants will even develop into a baby (this is called a blighted ovum).

The technical term for miscarriage is "spontaneous abortion". It is abortion that happens naturally.

A fetus is not a person. It is a potential person that upon it's ability to live outside of the woman's body is granted rights. Abortions are illegal after the point of viability (when it can be expected to live outside the womb) except when the mother's life is in danger.

To give a blastocyst, embryo, zygote or a fetus rights and to call abortion murder would be arguing against nature and damning a woman's body for doing what it must.

You can't charge someone with manslaughter if a "spontaneous abortion" happens. It happens naturally. Going to a clinic to get one , isn't.
And a fetus is a person. Just because it doesn't look like one, doesn't mean it's not one. And there is such thing as "partial birth". It's not fully illegal.

And I don't really have a response for the last part. It's like two unmoveable and unstoppable forces go against each other, what happens? Pro-choice people and Pro-Life people are like that.

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See. They have no choice. We have to make it for them. And I don't think the choice is to kill them.
Well, there is always the risk to having sex. Failed contraceptive or not, there is always the risk.

There's difference between "not having a say" and not being capable of the concept of choice. That's like asking a bug's permission to use pesticide. Just because you wouldn't choose to get an abortion doesn't make it inherently wrong or stupid.

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even if we gave it the rights of a born person, Bodily Integrity laws clearly state that one person may not use another person's body without ongoing consent, even in matter of life and death.
So a fetus still wouldn't have the rights to stay there unless mom said it could. Removing still wouldn't be murder.

Abortion is illegal after the point of viability just about everywhere in the world. It's not murder, no, but it is still illegal.

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Thai Toybox

I'm definately pro-choice.

I was raped while in my college dorm. I ended up not pressing charges because I was scared and I didn't want anyone to find out.

I can't imagine what it would have been like to be forced to give birth to a child that spawned from that f*****t.

I ended up going to a rape crisis center and getting the plan b pill. There are those that I'm sure would have been too frightened to do so, but I couldn't deal with the thought of getting pregnant.

Thank god for being able to choose.

You were lucky to get plan-b! D: It's worse when you are underaged and unable to get the stuff then finding out you're pregnant two months later D:.

I love children though, just wasn't the right time or reason or right person >_<.

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Lisa knight

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Definitely pro-choice.
If there is a situation where someone doesn't want their baby, it is most likely for a legit reason like being too young or not being in the right environment.
I can't understand why people would want to force a baby into existence where it wouldn't be able to live in correct conditions with it's parents.

i have to disagree with you on this.
killing an inocent baby is technically murder its a living human being that is developing in the mothers womb killing the baby isnt right.
their are places that we can put our child up for adoption where they will live happy and peaceful lives.

i ask you this if you wer a developing baby in your mothers womb would you want to live or die?

im sure you would want to live then die putting an inocent baby to death by any form of lethel injection or what not isnt right.

babaies brains dont function until i think 4th trimester.
you can only abort thrm up to the third.
ok, what if you couldnt financially support a child?
Pro-choice.

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Lexia_Starr

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See. They have no choice. We have to make it for them. And I don't think the choice is to kill them.
Well, there is always the risk to having sex. Failed contraceptive or not, there is always the risk.

There's difference between "not having a say" and not being capable of the concept of choice. That's like asking a bug's permission to use pesticide. Just because you wouldn't choose to get an abortion doesn't make it inherently wrong or stupid.

But a bug isn't going to be a human being. You can't really compare it to that.

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I could just say something like "Because it's murder!" or "You're taking a life away!" or even "You're not giving the baby a choice to live!"
But we all know you might say something in response such as "It's not even human." or "It's not even alive" or something of the sort.

Actually, I was going to say that the fetus is capable of knowing or caring, that life is taken away all the time, and that abortion in no way fits the definition of murder (and no, you can't just use it as some emotional term you can throw around).

You could say that too. But I don't think it's true. But a fetus has life how could it not fit the definition of murder. You are taking away a innocent life.

If abortion were considered murder then women could be charged with manslaughter for miscarrying.

A woman can miscarry at any time during her pregnancy. Babies are born dead. Not every fertilized egg that implants will even develop into a baby (this is called a blighted ovum).

The technical term for miscarriage is "spontaneous abortion". It is abortion that happens naturally.

A fetus is not a person. It is a potential person that upon it's ability to live outside of the woman's body is granted rights. Abortions are illegal after the point of viability (when it can be expected to live outside the womb) except when the mother's life is in danger.

To give a blastocyst, embryo, zygote or a fetus rights and to call abortion murder would be arguing against nature and damning a woman's body for doing what it must.

You can't charge someone with manslaughter if a "spontaneous abortion" happens. It happens naturally. Going to a clinic to get one , isn't.
And a fetus is a person. Just because it doesn't look like one, doesn't mean it's not one. And there is such thing as "partial birth". It's not fully illegal.

And I don't really have a response for the last part. It's like two unmoveable and unstoppable forces go against each other, what happens? Pro-choice people and Pro-Life people are like that.

Actually, you could charge them with just that. Manslaughter is an accidental killing. If a woman miscarried, an investigation would have to be done to assure that the miscarriage was not her fault. If it's shown that she was a negative blood type and didn't get a shot, didn't take her vitamins on time, was stressed, had sex knowing that her uterus couldn't carry pregnancy well, fell down due to heels/ not turning the lights on / not having a house with everything picked up / had a snag in the carpet that hadn't been fixed, she could go to jail.

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You can't charge someone with manslaughter if a "spontaneous abortion" happens. It happens naturally. Going to a clinic to get one , isn't.
And a fetus is a person. Just because it doesn't look like one, doesn't mean it's not one. And there is such thing as "partial birth". It's not fully illegal.

And I don't really have a response for the last part. It's like two unmoveable and unstoppable forces go against each other, what happens? Pro-choice people and Pro-Life people are like that.

1) According to the Personhood USA movement, it would put a woman who suffered a miscarriage under investigation for possible fault.

2) It has nothing to do with "looking like" a person. It simply is not. It's an organism. That's biological fact.

3) Partial-birth abortion is illegal as an elective procedure. The only uses it maintains in the US are under extreme medical duress or under the circumstance that the fetus is malformed or otherwise unhealthy or abnormal.

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Lexia_Starr

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See. They have no choice. We have to make it for them. And I don't think the choice is to kill them.
Well, there is always the risk to having sex. Failed contraceptive or not, there is always the risk.

There's difference between "not having a say" and not being capable of the concept of choice. That's like asking a bug's permission to use pesticide. Just because you wouldn't choose to get an abortion doesn't make it inherently wrong or stupid.

But a bug isn't going to be a human being. You can't really compare it to that.

A bug is even smarter and more aware than a fetus. One ant could be come an entire colony, yet you feel no remorse for it.
But something less capable than a bug, less involved in the environment, with the consistency of a booger and being the size of a sesame seed, that is something you protect?

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Pro-Choice, but that doesn't necessarily mean Pro-Abortion.

The operation should be available, even if one may disapprove.
Keeping the procedure open to the public will prevent many unnecessary injuries and deaths from desperate people attempting to get abortions the back-alley method.

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even if we gave it the rights of a born person, Bodily Integrity laws clearly state that one person may not use another person's body without ongoing consent, even in matter of life and death.
So a fetus still wouldn't have the rights to stay there unless mom said it could. Removing still wouldn't be murder.

Abortion is illegal after the point of viability just about everywhere in the world. It's not murder, no, but it is still illegal.

Well by viability, I think that would be considered "ongoing" consent. That, and the law protects the mother's right to remove the fetus, not necessarily kill it. Because of medical laws to protect people, a viable fetus could be removed via c-section, but not aborted unless it was very likely it wouldn't live anyway.

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See. They have no choice. We have to make it for them. And I don't think the choice is to kill them.
Well, there is always the risk to having sex. Failed contraceptive or not, there is always the risk.

There's difference between "not having a say" and not being capable of the concept of choice. That's like asking a bug's permission to use pesticide. Just because you wouldn't choose to get an abortion doesn't make it inherently wrong or stupid.

But a bug isn't going to be a human being. You can't really compare it to that.

A bug is even smarter and more aware than a fetus. One ant could be come an entire colony, yet you feel no remorse for it.
But something less capable than a bug, less involved in the environment, with the consistency of a booger and being the size of a sesame seed, that is something you protect?

Exactly. And we arrive at the core of the issue. That someone a fetus is exalted simply because it has human DNA, which I think is completely ridiculous. Not to mention, why is some little blob suddenly more important than me and my life?

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I could just say something like "Because it's murder!" or "You're taking a life away!" or even "You're not giving the baby a choice to live!"
But we all know you might say something in response such as "It's not even human." or "It's not even alive" or something of the sort.

Actually, I was going to say that the fetus is capable of knowing or caring, that life is taken away all the time, and that abortion in no way fits the definition of murder (and no, you can't just use it as some emotional term you can throw around).

You could say that too. But I don't think it's true. But a fetus has life how could it not fit the definition of murder. You are taking away a innocent life.

If abortion were considered murder then women could be charged with manslaughter for miscarrying.

A woman can miscarry at any time during her pregnancy. Babies are born dead. Not every fertilized egg that implants will even develop into a baby (this is called a blighted ovum).

The technical term for miscarriage is "spontaneous abortion". It is abortion that happens naturally.

A fetus is not a person. It is a potential person that upon it's ability to live outside of the woman's body is granted rights. Abortions are illegal after the point of viability (when it can be expected to live outside the womb) except when the mother's life is in danger.

To give a blastocyst, embryo, zygote or a fetus rights and to call abortion murder would be arguing against nature and damning a woman's body for doing what it must.

You can't charge someone with manslaughter if a "spontaneous abortion" happens. It happens naturally. Going to a clinic to get one , isn't.
And a fetus is a person. Just because it doesn't look like one, doesn't mean it's not one. And there is such thing as "partial birth". It's not fully illegal.

And I don't really have a response for the last part.It's like two unmoveable and unstoppable forces go against each other, what happens? Pro-choice people and Pro-Life people are like that.

Actually, you could charge them with just that. Manslaughter is an accidental killing. If a woman miscarried, an investigation would have to be done to assure that the miscarriage was not her fault. If it's shown that she was a negative blood type and didn't get a shot, didn't take her vitamins on time, was stressed, had sex knowing that her uterus couldn't carry pregnancy well, fell down due to heels/ not turning the lights on / not having a house with everything picked up / had a snag in the carpet that hadn't been fixed, she could go to jail.

Thus, the last portion of my previous post.

It's like two unmoveable and unstoppable forces go against each other, what happens? Pro-choice people and Pro-Life people are like that.


Dude, seriously? We could go on about this for a long time. But in the end, you will still be Pro-Choice and I will still be Pro-Life. I have things to do now, so I'm leaving. However, I didn't know debating could be fun. haha.
Well, bye now.

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You could say that too. But I don't think it's true. But a fetus has life how could it not fit the definition of murder. You are taking away a innocent life.

If abortion were considered murder then women could be charged with manslaughter for miscarrying.

A woman can miscarry at any time during her pregnancy. Babies are born dead. Not every fertilized egg that implants will even develop into a baby (this is called a blighted ovum).

The technical term for miscarriage is "spontaneous abortion". It is abortion that happens naturally.

A fetus is not a person. It is a potential person that upon it's ability to live outside of the woman's body is granted rights. Abortions are illegal after the point of viability (when it can be expected to live outside the womb) except when the mother's life is in danger.

To give a blastocyst, embryo, zygote or a fetus rights and to call abortion murder would be arguing against nature and damning a woman's body for doing what it must.

You can't charge someone with manslaughter if a "spontaneous abortion" happens. It happens naturally. Going to a clinic to get one , isn't.
And a fetus is a person. Just because it doesn't look like one, doesn't mean it's not one. And there is such thing as "partial birth". It's not fully illegal.

And I don't really have a response for the last part.It's like two unmoveable and unstoppable forces go against each other, what happens? Pro-choice people and Pro-Life people are like that.

Actually, you could charge them with just that. Manslaughter is an accidental killing. If a woman miscarried, an investigation would have to be done to assure that the miscarriage was not her fault. If it's shown that she was a negative blood type and didn't get a shot, didn't take her vitamins on time, was stressed, had sex knowing that her uterus couldn't carry pregnancy well, fell down due to heels/ not turning the lights on / not having a house with everything picked up / had a snag in the carpet that hadn't been fixed, she could go to jail.

Thus, the last portion of my previous post.

It's like two unmoveable and unstoppable forces go against each other, what happens? Pro-choice people and Pro-Life people are like that.


Dude, seriously? We could go on about this for a long time. But in the end, you will still be Pro-Choice and I will still be Pro-Life. I have things to do now, so I'm leaving. However, I didn't know debating could be fun. haha.
Well, bye now.

What the hell does that mean? I debated nothing in that post, I just told you why manslaughter is the logical charge for miscarriage if murder is for abortion.
Oh wait, did you just cover your ears and go "lalalalalalaaa!"?
Y'know, you SHOULD lurk around and learn these things, because if you want to make a strong point and be educated about what you're saying, you need to know these kinds of things. There's no point to having an opinion when you don't even know why you feel that way and what it means in the big picture of things.

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even if we gave it the rights of a born person, Bodily Integrity laws clearly state that one person may not use another person's body without ongoing consent, even in matter of life and death.
So a fetus still wouldn't have the rights to stay there unless mom said it could. Removing still wouldn't be murder.

Abortion is illegal after the point of viability just about everywhere in the world. It's not murder, no, but it is still illegal.

Well by viability, I think that would be considered "ongoing" consent. That, and the law protects the mother's right to remove the fetus, not necessarily kill it. Because of medical laws to protect people, a viable fetus could be removed via c-section, but not aborted unless it was very likely it wouldn't live anyway.

...Don't argue with me on this. I mentioned it because it is in fact a law and most pro-lifers will argue about "partial birth" abortions being legal, when in fact they are not as an elective procedure.