I just read through the entire thread. I'm thinking hard on what to say, on this delicate topic.
First, I would like to say I am Pro-Choice. I firmly believe that it is a females body, and they should have the choice to do whatever they want with it.
I would like to point out my Religious views, and other views as well, to further explain my opinion and why I have this opinion. Because without it, I would hear too many debates over God and other views that couldn't even ascertain to my own.
I have no religion. None. I'm not Atheist. I'm not Agnostic. I just do not believe in a higher power. So I do not believe in Sin, or anything of the sort. I do, however, believe in science. I believe we have evolved.
Now, I also believe that other species evolve, of course. I believe that many species could someday, somehow evolve to be sentient. But, those who believe abortion is murder, or wrong, you don't look at it this way, do you?
Because that would be admitting that we, as a species, were once not sentient. That at some point, killing any one of us would not be murder. We could have easily been fodder to feed a superior species. Our young could be the veal, so to speak, for some advanced race had we not evolved in the way we did.
We eat cows, pigs, chickens and all sorts of animals and species on this planet. And many, many of the human race do not care, or have no other choice. I am one of these people, that doesn't really care. I believe, of furthering our human development. If you really think it is a Sin, or just wrong to terminate a fetus, without any brainwaves or heartbeat, tell me why. Because I just can't fathom it.
I refuse to whine, or patter on about some bad childhood, etc. I actually had an okay childhood, now that I've grown and seen what a REAL, disturbed childhood can be. But that's plainly because, I think I have a logical way of thinking. Many others, obviously do not.
There are many people in this world, especially North America, who just can't understand and see how well they have it. There are people too poor to buy computers, to buy enough food. People who live in families where they are beaten or raped, constantly. And yet, there are still kids, who think they have it so terrible, because they can't do this, or do that, when the parents in a large portion of the situation, are really doing whats best for a child.
But, in the larger point I am trying to make. Many people are unfit for parenting.
They just can't do it.
Financially, especially teenagers.
Emotionally, again with the latter, and because of how this world has come to be in the socially crazed and diluted attitude. I'm happy with the outcome of my life, who I am. Because I was a foster child, in the care of ONE family, for the first 14 years of my life. I am a better person because of that.
My biological mother, would not been able to raise me, into the person I am today. I have a half-brother, whom she did raise. I would not want to be like him, in the least.
I am happy with who I am, because I strive to be that person. But these children don't have a choice. When they are born into a life where the parent believes that they just needed to do the right thing, it may not have been.
You could very well be, a loving, caring, perfect teen mother (or older, this is just my example of a bad scenario.) You could be, a great teen parent. Don't get me wrong, some people are smart and lucky, and have help along the way. However, there are many teenage mothers who decide to birth and keep the child, not knowing what to expect, or don't financially have the ability to do so.
I'm aware I'm terribly jumbled in my topics, and I'm only going to make it worse by listing these examples of how a child may feel in different scenarios.
Ex: Child is born from a teenage mother. Who is financially supported by the girls parents, and they support both the mother and child. The father is not around. Never going to meet his child, and wants nothing to do with them. This could cause that child to feel abandoned. He/she could feel like it was a mistake, and only kept because it was 'right'. Not because it was wanted. It will grow up, most likely feeling the stress that the mother may have had to get a job, quit school, and miss out on a large portion of life. It will feel that burden.
Ex: Child is born, and given to the state. It has never met either parent. It is thrown into the foster care system, where it will have an incredibly hard time being adopted, especially as it gets older. It will feel rejected, abandoned. It will most likely become either highly reserved emotionally, or distraught and seek attention by wrongful means. These children have a high potential to become criminals. I am, however, not saying they all willl.
Ex: Child is born to a mother who has no support from the family, and lives by state funding, what little there is, and if hasn't been forced to give the child to the state, will most likely cause herself, and the child as it grows, increased stress and resentment. She may try and live at friends houses, etc. But will most likely feel like a burden herself.
These are just examples. Examples of reasons, why these children shouldn't be forced to live in such sorrow and distress. Because that's exactly what happens. It's forcing your lives on these children. I hated the fact that I didn't have that choice. I didn't get what other children had, and it made me resent and envy them, until I worked and built my life. I realize that by aborting, you could very well be taking away the choice that these kids may have one day, do better themselves or the lives they have. But I firmly believe, that if a mother knows that she can't financially or emotionally support a child, she should be given the right to abort. I may be male, but if I could carry child, I would want the choice, because I know, that I would not be a fit parent. I could not possibly support the child financially, and I'm far too quick to irritate. I would feel like a terrible person, forcing my life on a child, and having him feel that resentment, of limiting my options for the rest of my own life.
And that is the main debate here. Choice. And the fact remains, that a mother should have a choice. And the fetus, is nothing more than that. A fetus. A parasite.
Aside from that EXTREMELY long ramble, most of which probably doesn't make a full point. My apologies for that, I derail my own thoughts and points constantly, starting new ones.
That aside, Toward this 'Lisa Knight'. I do believe, first and foremost, you have brought much of this thread unto yourself. Your claim is,
You were raped. You had a child, and I believe Bathroom Thinker is right, you have screwed up your own lie. I will not say whether you have a child or not, but it's been clear that the dates you provided, have been wrong.
I don't believe that anyone who was raped, could just plainly throw it out there and tell the world, post it in your profile and be fine with it. So nonchalant.
If you did lie, you're a sickly low, attention seeker.
If you haven't lied, you're a disturbed attention seeking mother.
You won't say your 'daughters' name. You won't give any specifics, to any part of your story. Nothing. You say it is far too personal, which to me, seems telling the world that you were raped, would be FAR more personal. All I'm doing is stating the facts.
Look at the mothers you see around you. Many with pictures, and those who do have pictures, have the baby in as well. Even in your profile, you didn't even say your name. Something personal toward the child, just a mention of the child so that people will think you have one.
I've seen many mothers, and even fathers, who in a profile would be more along the lines of
"I'm a father of a baby boy named _____, we love you baby! etc, etc, Great little son of ours, big and strong, so healthy, etc etc etc"
But yours just seems to be a profile for seeking attention, not for praising a child you have. You avoid talking about her as much as possible, but had no problem stating on many pages that you were raped. You didn't just let it out once, you repeatedly had to make sure everyone knew you were raped. What person, scarred from such an ordeal, would do this? Would sit in a room, constantly stating how you were raped and how all of our points are moot because of this.
I think you should let us all know, some 'personal info'. Like a name. weight. A picture, with both of you. Did you have a C-Section? How long was the labour? How many nurses and doctors were in the room? Who cut the cord? How long did it take for the child to cry?
I'm sorry, I really didn't want to push that very far. But you could have just, made your statement of belief and walked away. You brought much of the complaints and scepticism on yourself, you posted more than what anyone asked or was needed, information that was plainly personal and brought out there to prove a point. Someone will always debate those points. Always.
I apologize again for that strangely long post.
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