Abortion <33

[Satil]

I personally find abortion fine and if I were to become pregnant would have one myself. I'm 25 and married, and use protection religiously. If I were to become pregnant then it would be an accident. My husband and I cannot afford a child right now, and it's unlikely we will be able to until he finishes medical school. A pregnancy should never be a punishment and a child should only be born if they are wanted and can be cared for properly. It's better to end a pregnancy before it becomes a child, than to birth a child that will be miserable and abused.

As far as the issue of men goes- yes, they should have some rights. Either they agree to take the baby, pay for everything, and are jailed if they do not follow the contract, then they should be allowed to say if they want the child to be aborted or not. However, the woman can contest that she does not want to carry a child to term and something would be worked out between them in a court of law. Also, if the woman wants to birth the child but the man does not want the child he should be able to relinquish his rights uncontested and have no responsibility for child support. We women can't have it both ways- only our decision and then force him along for the ride. It's unfair.

I have a friend who got some girl pregnant from a one night stand he barely knew. He told her he wanted nothing to do with the child and there was a chance out of 4 other men it was his. It turned out to be his and he's trying to terminate his rights, but the mother refuses and is screaming for money. He even offered to pay for an abortion and she declined. He told her that very minute he would never be involved in the child's life and I personally feel he should not have to.

[Fancy Strawberry Kitten]

Well, I'm not for the idea. The thought of never being born just makes me shudder.

But whatever, do your own thing. Someone wants an abortion, *goody* for them. I sure as hell am never getting one if I get preggers, tho. 3nodding

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PetitEspoir

Pro-life.

If you got pregnant and don't want the baby, well then, you should've thought about that before you had unprotected sex.
And also, its killing something.

On the one hand, you can get pregnant even if you DO use birth control, because no form of birth control is 100% effective.

On the other hand, people SHOULD know this and not think birth control is totally infallible.

I actually have very little sympathy for unplanned, underage pregnancies for this very reason. If you're going to have sex, you should realize that birth control is not 100% effective, and thus any time you have sex you ARE risking unplanned pregnancy - which is why you should wait until you're old enough to financially support yourself and have at least earned your high-school diploma before you start having sex.

Unfortunately most teens think they are invinsable and that it will never happen to them. Also the abstinance only education and the poor level of real sex education out there does not help.

I agree that teenagers should be better educated in terms of sex, but I also don't see why it's the be-all-end-all to be having sex as a teen. I've seen first-hand what happens when you screw up your high school education via ANY means, be it pregnancy, drugs, or just laziness, and it's not pretty. It just seems infinitely more practical to assess the risks, accept them, and wait until you're equipped to deal with any problems that should arise.

While I agree that people need to asses the concequences first the fact remains that teens and many adults for that matter don't. They just think they can do what ever they want and nothing will ever happen. That contraceptives never fail. There's a lot to be said about hormones and lack of life experiance.

True enough...

EDIT: Oh, by the way, your alien-baby is adorable.

Oh, why thank-you. ....I really need to update that picture though. that particular one was taken 4 months ago. XD

[june barcarole]

Satil

I personally find abortion fine and if I were to become pregnant would have one myself. I'm 25 and married, and use protection religiously. If I were to become pregnant then it would be an accident. My husband and I cannot afford a child right now, and it's unlikely we will be able to until he finishes medical school. A pregnancy should never be a punishment and a child should only be born if they are wanted and can be cared for properly. It's better to end a pregnancy before it becomes a child, than to birth a child that will be miserable and abused.

As far as the issue of men goes- yes, they should have some rights. Either they agree to take the baby, pay for everything, and are jailed if they do not follow the contract, then they should be allowed to say if they want the child to be aborted or not. However, the woman can contest that she does not want to carry a child to term and something would be worked out between them in a court of law. Also, if the woman wants to birth the child but the man does not want the child he should be able to relinquish his rights uncontested and have no responsibility for child support. We women can't have it both ways- only our decision and then force him along for the ride. It's unfair.

I have a friend who got some girl pregnant from a one night stand he barely knew. He told her he wanted nothing to do with the child and there was a chance out of 4 other men it was his. It turned out to be his and he's trying to terminate his rights, but the mother refuses and is screaming for money. He even offered to pay for an abortion and she declined. He told her that very minute he would never be involved in the child's life and I personally feel he should not have to.

Very good post. Question: What would you say if the woman wants to abort, but the man wants to keep the child and would be willing to raise it by himself?

[june barcarole]

Fancy Strawberry Kitten

Well, I'm not for the idea. The thought of never being born just makes me shudder.

But whatever, do your own thing. Someone wants an abortion, *goody* for them. I sure as hell am never getting one if I get preggers, tho. 3nodding

That's pretty much my stance, haha.

[dhayzi]

^ I know it's not aimed at me, but I would say that, so long as the woman or baby aren't harmed in the process, she should give birth and then hand over all legal rights to the father.

[Satil]

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Satil

I personally find abortion fine and if I were to become pregnant would have one myself. I'm 25 and married, and use protection religiously. If I were to become pregnant then it would be an accident. My husband and I cannot afford a child right now, and it's unlikely we will be able to until he finishes medical school. A pregnancy should never be a punishment and a child should only be born if they are wanted and can be cared for properly. It's better to end a pregnancy before it becomes a child, than to birth a child that will be miserable and abused.

As far as the issue of men goes- yes, they should have some rights. Either they agree to take the baby, pay for everything, and are jailed if they do not follow the contract, then they should be allowed to say if they want the child to be aborted or not. However, the woman can contest that she does not want to carry a child to term and something would be worked out between them in a court of law. Also, if the woman wants to birth the child but the man does not want the child he should be able to relinquish his rights uncontested and have no responsibility for child support. We women can't have it both ways- only our decision and then force him along for the ride. It's unfair.

I have a friend who got some girl pregnant from a one night stand he barely knew. He told her he wanted nothing to do with the child and there was a chance out of 4 other men it was his. It turned out to be his and he's trying to terminate his rights, but the mother refuses and is screaming for money. He even offered to pay for an abortion and she declined. He told her that very minute he would never be involved in the child's life and I personally feel he should not have to.

Very good post. Question: What would you say if the woman wants to abort, but the man wants to keep the child and would be willing to raise it by himself?

I feel he should be allowed to petition the court and be held legally responsible to pay for all medical care and take care of the child afterwards. If he does not honor the contract the child enters foster care-to-adopt homes and he is jailed. If the mother wants an abortion then well, it is her body. I wouldn't want to carry a child for 9 months I wouldn't want to keep. During those 9 months your body is no longer your own and pregnancy can be pretty dangerous for some women. I can't honestly say that a woman should be forced to carry a child when she does not want to, since that is a very basic violation of right to bodily integrity.

[june barcarole]

dhayzi

^ I know it's not aimed at me, but I would say that, so long as the woman or baby aren't harmed in the process, she should give birth and then hand over all legal rights to the father.

I'd agree with that too. I find it very hypocritical that a woman will force the father into paying child support for eighteen years, but will scream that it's "barbaric" to have her go through nine months of pregnancy and then hand the kid over.

[For The Overmind]

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PetitEspoir

Pro-life.

If you got pregnant and don't want the baby, well then, you should've thought about that before you had unprotected sex.
And also, its killing something.

On the one hand, you can get pregnant even if you DO use birth control, because no form of birth control is 100% effective.

On the other hand, people SHOULD know this and not think birth control is totally infallible.

I actually have very little sympathy for unplanned, underage pregnancies for this very reason. If you're going to have sex, you should realize that birth control is not 100% effective, and thus any time you have sex you ARE risking unplanned pregnancy - which is why you should wait until you're old enough to financially support yourself and have at least earned your high-school diploma before you start having sex.

Hi. I don't remember much about you, but I DID remember your name for being crazy somehow. Not sure where or how you demonstrated your crazy, but I'm sure you'll jog my memory if I read on a bit, right?

[dhayzi]

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X-tan

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I have a question for people out there:

How much of a say should the father have about an abortion? He's going to have to pay child support until the child is 18 (or however old), should he decide where or not his child is killed?

I feel that the father can voice his opinions on the matter and, if he is the only one to favor abortion, then he can opt to renounce his parental rights ASAP. Not being a male, I haven't looked into the exact legal procedure, so unfortunately that's all I can say.

Only problem with that would be if he were an irresponsible guy who pressured a girl into having unprotected sex. Then when she discovered that she was pregnant, told her to have an abortion because he didn't want to pay child support.

Unless he held her down and raped her, she's accountable for her own decisions. If she can't walk away from pressure like that, then she's not mature enough to be in a sexual relationship.

Sadly I'm sure that many women aren't as emotionally strong as you are and would be swayed easily with sweet talk about love forever and gooey stuff like that

[Empty Azure]

~[ Jaune Poison]~

Definitely pro-choice.
If there is a situation where someone doesn't want their baby, it is most likely for a legit reason like being too young or not being in the right environment.
I can't understand why people would want to force a baby into existence where it wouldn't be able to live in correct conditions with it's parents.

[june barcarole]

Satil

Yuki Cross Zero

Satil

I personally find abortion fine and if I were to become pregnant would have one myself. I'm 25 and married, and use protection religiously. If I were to become pregnant then it would be an accident. My husband and I cannot afford a child right now, and it's unlikely we will be able to until he finishes medical school. A pregnancy should never be a punishment and a child should only be born if they are wanted and can be cared for properly. It's better to end a pregnancy before it becomes a child, than to birth a child that will be miserable and abused.

As far as the issue of men goes- yes, they should have some rights. Either they agree to take the baby, pay for everything, and are jailed if they do not follow the contract, then they should be allowed to say if they want the child to be aborted or not. However, the woman can contest that she does not want to carry a child to term and something would be worked out between them in a court of law. Also, if the woman wants to birth the child but the man does not want the child he should be able to relinquish his rights uncontested and have no responsibility for child support. We women can't have it both ways- only our decision and then force him along for the ride. It's unfair.

I have a friend who got some girl pregnant from a one night stand he barely knew. He told her he wanted nothing to do with the child and there was a chance out of 4 other men it was his. It turned out to be his and he's trying to terminate his rights, but the mother refuses and is screaming for money. He even offered to pay for an abortion and she declined. He told her that very minute he would never be involved in the child's life and I personally feel he should not have to.

Very good post. Question: What would you say if the woman wants to abort, but the man wants to keep the child and would be willing to raise it by himself?

I feel he should be allowed to petition the court and be held legally responsible to pay for all medical care and take care of the child afterwards. If he does not honor the contract the child enters foster care-to-adopt homes and he is jailed. If the mother wants an abortion then well, it is her body. I wouldn't want to carry a child for 9 months I wouldn't want to keep. During those 9 months your body is no longer your own and pregnancy can be pretty dangerous for some women. I can't honestly say that a woman should be forced to carry a child when she does not want to, since that is a very basic violation of right to bodily integrity.

While that's true, I think that under the current legal system, it's extremely hypocritical that fathers are forced into child-support for eighteen years whereas it's unthinkable that the woman would undergo nine months of pregnancy.

I do think that forcing a woman to carry a child to term is a violation, but I also think that the mother and father should have some very serious discussions and try their best to make sure both party's needs are accomodated. I don't think it's fair that a woman can just go out and abort a wanted foetus without even discussing it with the father.

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Fancy Strawberry Kitten

Well, I'm not for the idea. The thought of never being born just makes me shudder.

But whatever, do your own thing. Someone wants an abortion, *goody* for them. I sure as hell am never getting one if I get preggers, tho. 3nodding

That's pretty much my stance, haha.

Which is fair enough. I know that I wouldn't have an abortion except for specific reasons, but if ever it came to that I want to be able to have an abortion that is safe and to choose what is right for my family and our situation.

Which is what I wish some strong pro-lifer's would realize. If you don't want one then you don't have to get one. But please don't try to take away options for others. We are suppose to moving forwards, not backwards. What people do in thier private lives does not effect you directly. If you want all these babies born then you better be fully prepared to adopt them all and take care of them.

[june barcarole]

SummonMoreZiggurats

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PetitEspoir

Pro-life.

If you got pregnant and don't want the baby, well then, you should've thought about that before you had unprotected sex.
And also, its killing something.

On the one hand, you can get pregnant even if you DO use birth control, because no form of birth control is 100% effective.

On the other hand, people SHOULD know this and not think birth control is totally infallible.

I actually have very little sympathy for unplanned, underage pregnancies for this very reason. If you're going to have sex, you should realize that birth control is not 100% effective, and thus any time you have sex you ARE risking unplanned pregnancy - which is why you should wait until you're old enough to financially support yourself and have at least earned your high-school diploma before you start having sex.

Hi. I don't remember much about you, but I DID remember your name for being crazy somehow. Not sure where or how you demonstrated your crazy, but I'm sure you'll jog my memory if I read on a bit, right?

We were probably in some kind of discussion regarding religion. The general consesus on LD is that anyone who's religious is obviously insane and unreasonable, so that's perhaps where you got your half-baked misconception from 3nodding

[june barcarole]

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Fancy Strawberry Kitten

Well, I'm not for the idea. The thought of never being born just makes me shudder.

But whatever, do your own thing. Someone wants an abortion, *goody* for them. I sure as hell am never getting one if I get preggers, tho. 3nodding

That's pretty much my stance, haha.

Which is fair enough. I know that I wouldn't have an abortion except for specific reasons, but if ever it came to that I want to be able to have an abortion that is safe and to choose what is right for my family and our situation.

Which is what I wish some strong pro-lifer's would realize. If you don't want one then you don't have to get one. But please don't try to take away options for others. We are suppose to moving forwards, not backwards. What people do in thier private lives does not effect you directly. If you want all these babies born then you better be fully prepared to adopt them all and take care of them.

Exactly. While I dislike the idea of abortion and am against it (meaning I would never have one myself,) I am under no delusions that my personal opinions justify taking another woman's choice away.