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Post: 33527143_1 created on Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:19 amPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:19 am
Post: 33527143_2 created on Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:51 amPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:51 am
iButtRape
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Nope, they're too concerned with RO2. I play a 1x private server, and I used to play on Loki, but I hated all of the bots and inflation. I can afford to play iRO, but why would I pay money for something I could get that was better, and free? :3
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Post: 33527143_3 created on Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:01 amPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:01 am
Mistukian
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The GMs addressed this on the forums a few time. It costs too much money to force the idiots to shut down their servers, and then they can just go make another one afterwards anyways.
@Other Person: You pay money for it because it wasn't intended to be free. I'm assuming you don't steal game consoles simply because you can? And judging by all the updates planning for RO, I doubt they're dropping it for RO2. They're smart enough to realize that they're two very different games, and some people will prefer the first over the second. |
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Post: 33527143_4 created on Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:27 pmPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:27 pm
iButtRape
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Why would I pay money, for a game full of bots, scammers, and inflated items? Tht, and the fact that it hasn't gotten any of the good updates, nor will they for a long time after they're out for kRO. Which the RO Emulator software eAthena, Aegis, Freya, and Aurora run from. iRO just recently got Gunslinger and Ninja, classes that have been working on eAthena for almost two years. eAthena isn't illegal, on the other hand, Aegis is. No one plays Aegis servers, due to the fact they're almost as outdated as iRO. I'll keep playing my private servers(s), while you all waste money on a bot infested, over crowded shithole. :]
Also, having to beat some idiots' lines of openkore coding for good leveling spots and item drops is pretty fucking lame if you ask me. |
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Post: 33527143_5 created on Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:14 pmPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:14 pm
Kinky Kitten
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"iButtRape" Why would I pay money, for a game full of bots, scammers, and inflated items? Tht, and the fact that it hasn't gotten any of the good updates, nor will they for a long time after they're out for kRO. Which the RO Emulator software eAthena, Aegis, Freya, and Aurora run from. iRO just recently got Gunslinger and Ninja, classes that have been working on eAthena for almost two years. eAthena isn't illegal, on the other hand, Aegis is. No one plays Aegis servers, due to the fact they're almost as outdated as iRO. I'll keep playing my private servers(s), while you all waste money on a bot infested, over crowded shithole. :] Also, having to beat some idiots' lines of openkore coding for good leveling spots and item drops is pretty fucking lame if you ask me. Why would you pay money to play iRO? Because you like customer service and stable servers where your data is safe? I haven't seen many bots in a while, maybe I level in different areas. In response I could say I don't want to play on a private server even for free. Why would I spend my free time with "pserver nubs", putting effort into a shithole with no challenge, bugged skills and features and which will be wiped whenever the maintainer seems fit? What are these "good updates"? iRO has gotten most of the patches that have been implemented in kRO and will get them all eventually. iRO is in episode 11.2 Veins, with user interface updates. eAthena is not illegal, true. But when you use it together with any Ragnarok Online content (code, graphical elements, music, audio, etc.) which is property of Gravity, it becomes illegal. |
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Post: 33527143_6 created on Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:46 pmPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:46 pm
Solarcow105
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"iButtRape" Why would I pay money, for a game full of bots, scammers, and inflated items? Tht, and the fact that it hasn't gotten any of the good updates, nor will they for a long time after they're out for kRO. Which the RO Emulator software eAthena, Aegis, Freya, and Aurora run from. iRO just recently got Gunslinger and Ninja, classes that have been working on eAthena for almost two years. eAthena isn't illegal, on the other hand, Aegis is. No one plays Aegis servers, due to the fact they're almost as outdated as iRO. I'll keep playing my private servers(s), while you all waste money on a bot infested, over crowded shithole. :] Also, having to beat some idiots' lines of openkore coding for good leveling spots and item drops is pretty fucking lame if you ask me. Lets see. When I level in niff: no bots. When I level in AL: no bots. When i leveling in Rachel sanc or ice dungeon or hill winds or CT HOs: no bots. Check the ban list. Gravity has been banning bots left and right. The huge majority of maps i level in (both high level and low level maps) have no bots. Scammers, thats people. Guess what, I'm sure private servers have them. Real life has scammers. Is iRO all scammers? no. Have i ever scammed someone out of an item. Well, i think i took an extra jellopy once from a party with KK. Oh god, please for give me Inflated items you say? Well, unlike a private server where you can kill a monster, get everything that monster drops (including a card) then upgrade it to +10 with no risk, iRO actually has an economy. You know, one of those supply and demand thingies. Prices go up on certain items because the demand skyrockets and prices go down because people decide "oh i'll just hunt it instead" so the demand drops. And if you want to talk about "inflated" items, lets talk about pserver donation items. An overpowered item that makes you better than other normal players that a regular player can't obtain without spending real money. At least with god items and MVP cards regular players can ATTEMPT to obtain it. Just recently got gunslinger and ninja... You mean we just recently got thors... right? Afaik, iRO is all of 1 update behind kRO official servers and 2 behind kRO sakray. Oh god, so far behind, whatever will i do *ends life* Have you ever, you know, played on iRO recently? Its nothing how you make it sound like. At least on iRO you learn how to play your character, instead of shitting out a 99 (or 255 or whatever the limit max is for pservers) in an hour with all MVP cards and god items. I've never had to compete with a bot for good leveling spots and item drops. And if I did, all i have to do is press the Print scrn button on my laptop and then send a report in to the GMs and get the bot banned. Its worked for me before, multiple times. Maybe you should, you know, get RIGHT information, before you present them in an argument. |
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Post: 33527143_7 created on Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:30 amPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:30 am
Aloria Neza
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Quote: Why would I pay money, for a game full of bots, scammers, and inflated items? Also the bot issue was nearly done with when I came back to RO and it isn't like they're not trying to keep their paying players happy by getting rid of them. |
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I wants your Dander! gonk
Post: 33527143_8 created on Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:42 amPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:42 am
Onisfi
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"iButtRape" eAthena isn't illegal, on the other hand, Aegis is. Because everything that isn't illegal, is right. It's a fact of life. /dum |
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Post: 33527143_9 created on Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:08 pmPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:08 pm
Rock Tumbler
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"Solarcow105" "iButtRape" Why would I pay money, for a game full of bots, scammers, and inflated items? Tht, and the fact that it hasn't gotten any of the good updates, nor will they for a long time after they're out for kRO. Which the RO Emulator software eAthena, Aegis, Freya, and Aurora run from. iRO just recently got Gunslinger and Ninja, classes that have been working on eAthena for almost two years. eAthena isn't illegal, on the other hand, Aegis is. No one plays Aegis servers, due to the fact they're almost as outdated as iRO. I'll keep playing my private servers(s), while you all waste money on a bot infested, over crowded shithole. :] Also, having to beat some idiots' lines of openkore coding for good leveling spots and item drops is pretty fucking lame if you ask me. Lets see. When I level in niff: no bots. When I level in AL: no bots. When i leveling in Rachel sanc or ice dungeon or hill winds or CT HOs: no bots. Check the ban list. Gravity has been banning bots left and right. The huge majority of maps i level in (both high level and low level maps) have no bots. Scammers, thats people. Guess what, I'm sure private servers have them. Real life has scammers. Is iRO all scammers? no. Have i ever scammed someone out of an item. Well, i think i took an extra jellopy once from a party with KK. Oh god, please for give me Inflated items you say? Well, unlike a private server where you can kill a monster, get everything that monster drops (including a card) then upgrade it to +10 with no risk, iRO actually has an economy. You know, one of those supply and demand thingies. Prices go up on certain items because the demand skyrockets and prices go down because people decide "oh i'll just hunt it instead" so the demand drops. And if you want to talk about "inflated" items, lets talk about pserver donation items. An overpowered item that makes you better than other normal players that a regular player can't obtain without spending real money. At least with god items and MVP cards regular players can ATTEMPT to obtain it. Just recently got gunslinger and ninja... You mean we just recently got thors... right? Afaik, iRO is all of 1 update behind kRO official servers and 2 behind kRO sakray. Oh god, so far behind, whatever will i do *ends life* Have you ever, you know, played on iRO recently? Its nothing how you make it sound like. At least on iRO you learn how to play your character, instead of shitting out a 99 (or 255 or whatever the limit max is for pservers) in an hour with all MVP cards and god items. I've never had to compete with a bot for good leveling spots and item drops. And if I did, all i have to do is press the Print scrn button on my laptop and then send a report in to the GMs and get the bot banned. Its worked for me before, multiple times. Maybe you should, you know, get RIGHT information, before you present them in an argument. You... uh... don't know much about private servers, do you? While there are a large number that are as you describe, high rates, little in the ways on an economy, etc., there are many, many servers that are quite close to iRO in rates, and the fact that they actually have an economy. I've played on a few, myself. I've never even SEEN an MVP card on most of the low-rate servers, let alone used one. I've never had the ability to upgrade anything past +6, and I've never seen a bot. I haven't just 's**t out' a level 99 in an hour. I've actually put time into leveling, playing essentially as one would on iRO, with no healer NPCs, teleporters, etc. As for donation items, those are on SOME servers. You can't base your opinion of a collection of things on a select few that display certain traits. If you think I'm getting anything wrong here, please attempt to call me out on it. PLEASE. |
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Post: 33527143_10 created on Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:45 pmPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:45 pm
Aloria Neza
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"Rock Tumbler" "Solarcow105" "iButtRape" Why would I pay money, for a game full of bots, scammers, and inflated items? Tht, and the fact that it hasn't gotten any of the good updates, nor will they for a long time after they're out for kRO. Which the RO Emulator software eAthena, Aegis, Freya, and Aurora run from. iRO just recently got Gunslinger and Ninja, classes that have been working on eAthena for almost two years. eAthena isn't illegal, on the other hand, Aegis is. No one plays Aegis servers, due to the fact they're almost as outdated as iRO. I'll keep playing my private servers(s), while you all waste money on a bot infested, over crowded shithole. :] Also, having to beat some idiots' lines of openkore coding for good leveling spots and item drops is pretty fucking lame if you ask me. Lets see. When I level in niff: no bots. When I level in AL: no bots. When i leveling in Rachel sanc or ice dungeon or hill winds or CT HOs: no bots. Check the ban list. Gravity has been banning bots left and right. The huge majority of maps i level in (both high level and low level maps) have no bots. Scammers, thats people. Guess what, I'm sure private servers have them. Real life has scammers. Is iRO all scammers? no. Have i ever scammed someone out of an item. Well, i think i took an extra jellopy once from a party with KK. Oh god, please for give me Inflated items you say? Well, unlike a private server where you can kill a monster, get everything that monster drops (including a card) then upgrade it to +10 with no risk, iRO actually has an economy. You know, one of those supply and demand thingies. Prices go up on certain items because the demand skyrockets and prices go down because people decide "oh i'll just hunt it instead" so the demand drops. And if you want to talk about "inflated" items, lets talk about pserver donation items. An overpowered item that makes you better than other normal players that a regular player can't obtain without spending real money. At least with god items and MVP cards regular players can ATTEMPT to obtain it. Just recently got gunslinger and ninja... You mean we just recently got thors... right? Afaik, iRO is all of 1 update behind kRO official servers and 2 behind kRO sakray. Oh god, so far behind, whatever will i do *ends life* Have you ever, you know, played on iRO recently? Its nothing how you make it sound like. At least on iRO you learn how to play your character, instead of shitting out a 99 (or 255 or whatever the limit max is for pservers) in an hour with all MVP cards and god items. I've never had to compete with a bot for good leveling spots and item drops. And if I did, all i have to do is press the Print scrn button on my laptop and then send a report in to the GMs and get the bot banned. Its worked for me before, multiple times. Maybe you should, you know, get RIGHT information, before you present them in an argument. You... uh... don't know much about private servers, do you? While there are a large number that are as you describe, high rates, little in the ways on an economy, etc., there are many, many servers that are quite close to iRO in rates, and the fact that they actually have an economy. I've played on a few, myself. I've never even SEEN an MVP card on most of the low-rate servers, let alone used one. I've never had the ability to upgrade anything past +6, and I've never seen a bot. I haven't just 's**t out' a level 99 in an hour. I've actually put time into leveling, playing essentially as one would on iRO, with no healer NPCs, teleporters, etc. As for donation items, those are on SOME servers. You can't base your opinion of a collection of things on a select few that display certain traits. If you think I'm getting anything wrong here, please attempt to call me out on it. PLEASE. Yes, it is wrong to assume one thing about any server thinking they would all be the same, but it doesn't really matter seeing all the pservers do happen to share one thing in common at least. And that one thing being copyright infringement of gravitys work of course. |
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I wants your Dander! gonk
Post: 33527143_11 created on Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:40 pmPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:40 pm
Solarcow105
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"Rock Tumbler" You... uh... don't know much about private servers, do you? While there are a large number that are as you describe, high rates, little in the ways on an economy, etc., there are many, many servers that are quite close to iRO in rates, and the fact that they actually have an economy. I've played on a few, myself. I've never even SEEN an MVP card on most of the low-rate servers, let alone used one. I've never had the ability to upgrade anything past +6, and I've never seen a bot. I haven't just 's**t out' a level 99 in an hour. I've actually put time into leveling, playing essentially as one would on iRO, with no healer NPCs, teleporters, etc. As for donation items, those are on SOME servers. You can't base your opinion of a collection of things on a select few that display certain traits. If you think I'm getting anything wrong here, please attempt to call me out on it. PLEASE. Ding ding ding, you're right. I don't know too much about private servers. What I do know, i get from these and other forums. Seeing people post ridiculous builds (255 agi??? 255 str???), recommending terrible leveling spots (omg seals at 95???), commenting on how builds should have double Turtle gen, bapho and LoD cards for weapons (wtf?!??!) and ridiculing me for not being able to do a 17k crit with a sniper on a paladin has really lowered my opinions on private servers. Honestly, to me it doesn't matter if they are close to real RO(the ones you can find on ragnarokonline.com) in rates, or have the same rates or lower rates or whatever. They are still ILLEGAL. And they are based off stuff thats either in testing and may be changed (kRO sakray), or just wrong information (as was stated athena != aegis servers, so they are not exactly the same). Changed in game content (different NPCs, different NPC locations, different quests, headgears with different descriptions, different formulas for skills), different sprites, donation items, corrupt GMs (though iRO has some of these) and different monster AI/stats make it NOTHING like iRO. Guess what? every server will have an economy. Private, real, whatever. They both will. The economy will just be skewed to different things. On iro a MVP card might be 400m-1b+ while on a private server those same cards could be 2m. Or less. Why play a private server at all? Come to the real thing. Can't afford it? don't play then. Mitsukian (I think?) once said, just because she can't afford a PS3, doesn't mean she walks into a store and steals one. |
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Post: 33527143_12 created on Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:59 pmPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:59 pm
Mistukian
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"Solarcow105" Why play a private server at all? Come to the real thing. Can't afford it? don't play then. Mitsukian (I think?) once said, just because she can't afford a PS3, doesn't mean she walks into a store and steals one. |
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Post: 33527143_13 created on Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:25 amPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:25 am
DAngel0000
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The thing with private servers is that technically the eAthena emulator is legal so the legitimacy of the things that they are going are sorta in a grey area. While gravity does not overly approve of the use of the emulation large sections of the codes are changed in the data files that come in the auto patcher that many of these servers use. How that actually effects anything I can't actually remember. Some servers are actually pretty good offering only 1x 1x 1x rates and then those that go up to 1000x 1000x 1000x and all ranges in between, I used to beta on iRO but then when it went ptp it became to much money for something that lagged all teh time due to the high amount of users. Now while that does make for a great community I don't want to pay for something that is lagging me out terribly, iRO2 when ever that comes out I hope isn't as bad so maybe I will come back. But as of now a 2x 2x 2x server which is the same as Sakray and at the cost of nothing. So there may be a wipe from time to time, free is still free and if you really scout about for a bit, you can find a nice stable and frequently updated server.
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Post: 33527143_14 created on Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:34 amPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:34 am
Kaho Kurosaki
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I've played several pservers on and off, in a vain attempt to test out various things. Generally they've been completely useless for that purpose too. I still prefer iRO.
There are plenty of idiots, bots, and bugs on private servers, and that s**t never gets fixed. If you haven't seen a bot, maybe you need to get your eyes checked. PvP and WoE have never been as interesting or exciting--full of idiots and bugs or other abusable s**t. You know something's wrong when two unstringed high wizards can hold off wave after wave of people or when pvp consists mainly of instant cast everything spamming tons of yggs as fast as they can, or when people think a gc/heal sader without an unfrozen is 'invincible'. Leveling and hunting for items are easy mode, moderation and service is highly dependent on the whims of whoever is running the server (and always subpar). One server had an amusing bug where champs could PK people by spamming tiger knuckle on them, even though it wasn't a PK server. Pretty funny stuff. Bugs take quite a while to fix since again, it's a private effort. Even the most stable private servers still go down frequently or die out, especially when you consider that they're competing with legit, supported free to play games out there. Never seen a pserver population even come close to matching iSakray's shitty population mark either--poor economy usually results since you either have tons of items easily huntable or too few people hunting to actually have a decent market. Generally speaking, since you don't have to pay to get into one, it's always shittier than the official version in my opinion. eAthena might be legal, but the taking and modifying the content of RO for your own use certainly is not. You're stealing the designs and concepts for everything from interface and character designs for your own use and no amount of recoloring or adding tacky wings/auras will fix that. |
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Post: 33527143_15 created on Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:36 pmPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:36 pm
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I don't know why you people get so worked up about the game's issues. It's not like you can do anything about pserver players coz most of them really come from the original RO's throughout the world.
Besides, it's just a game, it's not your life anyway. The game is supposed to be played, it can't really go the other way around. I understand that laws have been violated in a not so "once-or-twice" kinda way though. I really just can't help but feeling that those hardcore ANTI-PSERVER posts, look a lot like posts from some of Gravity's pawns or something. Not to be mean or anything but, it's a little too much to go through this forum, on the count of the game. Some people, I'm assuming, might reply to my post as, "HEY, LOSER! Get a god damn life." I get that often when I post things like this. It's so cow-shitty... So, Why play a private server at all? Because it's practical. I wouldn't call it wrong, not totally. It's more of a violation of the copyright of Gravity, and if Gravity was affected too much about it then they should've done something even before the planned on making RO2. For all we know, the same damn thing could happen in RO2. Also, when you come to think of it, it's also a part of the entertainment we get in our lives. So for you to be happy, you need to pay the price. Please do not forget that I am speaking in terms of "How impractical we can get sometimes" and as I said before, RO is only a game. The whole economy s**t that some people were bragging about, it's the same old s**t in pservers too. You complain about scammers, then just quit the fucking game. You complain about the price, then play on a pserver. Nobody can really control you. They can, as of now, only post stuff like, pserver player = noob/noobie/stupid/weaklings and the same old s**t you get to see in other forums as well. It's a really stupid THING, for one to say THOSE things, just because a guy plays in a pserver. Why? They can get the things faster. They level up faster. They experience RO gaming in a whole new level. They actually know more about how to play the game, giving them an advantage when they play the original. They DO know more, unlike people who talk s**t about pservers and don't even know a thing about them. They know that iRO is not the only place you can meet friends. They are not being played by the game, because THEY are playing it. Who cares if it has an UNBALANCED COMMUNITY(ugly economy/shitty pvp), it's none of your concern anyway. Koz you know better what a pserver is, am I right? If you don't have anything meaningful to say, THEN JUST SHUT UP. So when you come to think of it, they actually have an advantage. When it comes to the legality of things, I think everyone knows that owning a pserver is illegal. YES, I would have to say that, but the big turn off is, EVEN though Gravity knows that it's being copied without its consent, they pretend like it just doesnt exist, and I think that the people in Gravity should consider this as a huge deal, especially on their professional lives. In reaction to this post: Why play a private server at all? Come to the real thing. Can't afford it? don't play then. Mitsukian (I think?) once said, just because she can't afford a PS3, doesn't mean she walks into a store and steals one. Yes, you're right about one thing. But know that everybody isnt as fortunate as you, so why not give them some air. The metaphor is right, but it's not actually the thing that's supposed to be said. On the first two sentences, you were refering to, I believe, the pserver player. And in the last two sentences, gave me the impression that you were refering to a pserver owner. It goes in very different ways. So, to say something about your comment: Why play a private server at all? Come to the real thing. Can't afford it? don't play then. Just because she can't afford a PS3, doesn't mean that she can never play games on the console at all. Befriend somebody who owns a PS3, and then play! Another point that I would like to put out is that someday, we'll grow the habit of playing RO out of ourselves. So to avoid posts such as this, JUST QUIT PLAYING THE GAME. It's a waste of time for people to even argue about it. It's a game so it's supposed to be fun. FOR PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT I'M BULLSHIT: Why don't you PM me instead of replying to this post? I'll be glad to PM you back. |
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