2HS Tank build?

[Dyno247365]

Sup Gaia. I used to play iRO on Sakray years ago, but now I've decided to play again since Valkyrie is free, what have I got to lose right? I've played Katar Sin, Dagger Sin, AGI Knight, AGI Crusader (never doing that again), and Merchant lulz. But I've never played a tank before. I'm looking for a good build for 2HS since all the builds I can find deal with using spears.

[Daenyris]

Mmm, for stats or for skills, and for Knights or Crusaders?

As a general rule, any tank needs a lot of vit. Crusaders are always better tanks than Knights, though.

In Ragnarok Online it's sort of all about the gear. If you don't have the proper shield for wherever you're going you won't be a good tank, and while your skill build might be based upon two-handed swords, you're not going to be wearing one while tanking.

[Dyno247365]

Daenyris

Mmm, for stats or for skills, and for Knights or Crusaders?

As a general rule, any tank needs a lot of vit. Crusaders are always better tanks than Knights, though.

In Ragnarok Online it's sort of all about the gear. If you don't have the proper shield for wherever you're going you won't be a good tank, and while your skill build might be based upon two-handed swords, you're not going to be wearing one while tanking.

stressed

By build I mean the stats needed, but if you want to add in skills also, I would appreciate it.

Let's try this. What's the best stat build for being a tank while still using a two handed sword for a Knight?

[Dyno247365]

I understand carded shields are important, but to make up for the def I could pick up a Broad Sword(slotted, ATK 140, DEF+5), and when I can afford one, a 2 slot Broad Sword. edit- sorry I'm used to post merging forums.

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Dyno247365

I understand carded shields are important, but to make up for the def I could pick up a Broad Sword(slotted, ATK 140, DEF+5), and when I can afford one, a 2 slot Broad Sword. edit- sorry I'm used to post merging forums.

The defence of the broad sword will NEVER make up for the defence of a shield( 5 def is only 5% physical damage reduction, while a shield is 30% reduction from magic AND physical., you do the math). If you want to tank, its Shield + VIT no ands/ifs/or butts.

You can use a two-hander if you want to solo level, but never for party tanking, unless you want to wipe your party.

[Dyno247365]

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I understand carded shields are important, but to make up for the def I could pick up a Broad Sword(slotted, ATK 140, DEF+5), and when I can afford one, a 2 slot Broad Sword. edit- sorry I'm used to post merging forums.

The defence of the broad sword will NEVER make up for the defence of a shield( 5 def is only 5% physical damage reduction, while a shield is 30% reduction from magic AND physical., you do the math). If you want to tank, its Shield + VIT no ands/ifs/or butts.

You can use a two-hander if you want to solo level, but never for party tanking, unless you want to wipe your party.

Look little miss "things can only be done one way", I'm not going for AGI knight, I'm planning on getting a lot of VIT, the sword makes up for the defense -1 DEF for not having a proper shield, and the 20-30% attack increase from weapon cards makes up for the 30% damage reduction from shield cards. I just need to know what would be good stats to accomplish it, especially how much AGI because some is needed versus VIT and STR to make good use of 2H Quicken. I could go for 100 VIT, sure I could, but it might make more sense to balance out my damage if I got 70 to 80 VIT instead. Do I have to make my own build?

[Daenyris]

haha, I don't know what you're getting angry about. If you came into my party as a tank and didn't wear a shield I'd end the party and find a new tank. You don't seem to understand: -1 defense from the shield isn't the point; it's the card you put into the shield that's the dealbreaker. If you're tanking a demi-human monster without a Cranial, you're taking 30% more damage than you need to be taking. 30% more damage is a LOT. If you're tanking for a party you are NOT the damage dealer. This is the way Ragnarok Online works.

That's not to say you can't be the damage-dealer when you're soloing, or maybe even duoing. But if your job in a party is to tank, you had better be willing to put a shield on.

Honestly, I don't know much about Knight builds. If you want to deal damage, I'd get a lot of str. If you want to tank, get a lot of vit. If you want to be able to hit monsters, get some dex.

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I understand carded shields are important, but to make up for the def I could pick up a Broad Sword(slotted, ATK 140, DEF+5), and when I can afford one, a 2 slot Broad Sword. edit- sorry I'm used to post merging forums.

The defence of the broad sword will NEVER make up for the defence of a shield( 5 def is only 5% physical damage reduction, while a shield is 30% reduction from magic AND physical., you do the math). If you want to tank, its Shield + VIT no ands/ifs/or butts.

You can use a two-hander if you want to solo level, but never for party tanking, unless you want to wipe your party.

Look little miss "things can only be done one way", I'm not going for AGI knight, I'm planning on getting a lot of VIT, the sword makes up for the defense -1 DEF for not having a proper shield, and the 20-30% attack increase from weapon cards makes up for the 30% damage reduction from shield cards. I just need to know what would be good stats to accomplish it, especially how much AGI because some is needed versus VIT and STR to make good use of 2H Quicken. I could go for 100 VIT, sure I could, but it might make more sense to balance out my damage if I got 70 to 80 VIT instead. Do I have to make my own build?

You asked for "Tank" Build, tanks are supposed to soak damage not deal damage. And its not -1 DEF with out a shield, a 30% buckler is the same as having 30 defence, again do the math.

2 Hander builds are all about DPS, if you intend to be a successful tank pick up a shield.

High Vit will not make up for 30% more damage.

[Daenyris]

I just saw your post on iRO Wiki. I didn't post there because I didn't want to bring Gaia up, more for your sake than mine.

No one here was yelling at you. We want you to enjoy your character. Ragnarok Online is mostly geared toward soloing or duoing. In soloing or duoing you're not really considered a tank. You're either healing yourself (with potions) or with a Priest who is concentrating solely on you, and your damage output is a big deal.

When we talk about "tank" on RO we're talking about a three+ person party. Three person parties are tank/Wizard/Priest, usually. In these parties, the Wizard is clearly the one who is dealing a majority of the damage. That doesn't mean that you can't help, and none of us said otherwise, but your job is simply to soak up as much of the damage as possible. In that case, you need to be wearing a shield because, otherwise, you're probably not going to be able to stay alive.

In larger parties it's even MORE of a priority to wear a shield. If you're tanking... say, Valkyrie Randgris or Ifrit, you WILL be screwing your entire party over if you refuse to wear a shield. This is what I was talking about because this is what I think of when someone says tank. Why? Because this is the only time in RO that a tank is really required. (Assuming you're not cheating and abusing Ice Wall, but that's another story. razz ) You will have Safety Wall, you will have Sanctuary, you will have Priests focused on doing nothing but healing you, and you will have potions... but these monsters can very, very easily one-shot you with various things, especially Earthquake. If you refuse to wear a shield, you will die. If you die, the MVP and its mob will run toward whoever else is nearby and will, essentially, destroy the entire party.

That's why I said if you refused to wear a shield in my party I'd just find another tank.

Again, I'm not really sure why you got so upset about this. We're speaking as experienced players of this game, and you're someone who hasn't played in years. None of us were "yelling", none of us were telling you you were stupid. You just... can't expect to be the tank while wearing a 2-handed sword.

Clearly, the people on iRO Wiki agreed with us, but it just bothered me that you specifically said that you were being YELLED at, and you were definitely talking about us.

[Tris_Skyshadow]

Honestly, dude, I know how you feel.

I have a Combo Champion, a Hindsight Scholar, a level 99 baby battle Alchemist and a natural crit Assassin, and I've taken no end of s**t about how much my builds suck, how I should remake, and how I'm wasting my time. I've told plenty of people that it doesn't matter, because people are supposed to play RO for fun, and unconventional builds are what I find fun. If my characters had been cookie-cutter builds, I never would have gotten so far with them, because I wouldn't have been enjoying myself.

But really... If you're going to make a party-dependent character (like a tank,) you really do have to follow successful formulas. If you don't, nobody will party you, and it will be for a good reason. As a tank without a shield, you really are slitting your own throat. That's not being mean, that's being realistic. I'm a huge proponent of alternative builds, but even I can tell that unless you don't mind a whole lot of solo leveling, this character is only going to lead to heartbreak.

[Dyno247365]

Daenyris. Yes I was talking about Gaia...but did I mention Gaia? rolleyes It's not like I directly gave you a bad name. I was just pissed off. FYI we're STILL having a very intelligent discussion about it.
Also, if you saw me on Iro Wiki then you'd probably notice I'm a Falconer now, and my main focus is damage. And If I were to make a tank, it would be a shield based Crusader. I give in!!!!

Tris, YES but I finally realized that my AGI Crusader failed beyond all hope and I'm much happier as a pure cookie cutter DPS class. The stat system, IMO makes you feel like you can be creative. It honestly depends how rich you are though.

...Wait you're getting slack for Natural Crit Sin??

[Daenyris]

Dyno247365

Daenyris. Yes I was talking about Gaia...but did I mention Gaia? rolleyes It's not like I directly gave you a bad name. I was just pissed off. FYI we're STILL having a very intelligent discussion about it.
Also, if you saw me on Iro Wiki then you'd probably notice I'm a Falconer now, and my main focus is damage. And If I were to make a tank, it would be a shield based Crusader. I give in!!!!

Tris, YES but I finally realized that my AGI Crusader failed beyond all hope and I'm much happier as a pure cookie cutter DPS class. The stat system, IMO makes you feel like you can be creative. It honestly depends how rich you are though.

...Wait you're getting slack for Natural Crit Sin??

Maybe you should read my post again, because I don't think you understood the point of it. I didn't say you mentioned Gaia or that I was worried about getting a bad name. I was concerned about you being pissed off about honest advice, and you saying that we were "yelling" at you.

And no, I didn't continue to stalk you after I saw the post. I'm glad you're enjoying your Falconer build.

As for Natural Crit Assassins, they're not very useful. Why? Because you will be able to level faster with an Ice Pick in ID3, no matter what. If you have luck in your build you're keeping yourself from leveling as quickly as possible. If you really want to crit, use equipment so as not to gimp yourself. smile

[Tris_Skyshadow]

Dyno247365

Tris, YES but I finally realized that my AGI Crusader failed beyond all hope and I'm much happier as a pure cookie cutter DPS class. The stat system, IMO makes you feel like you can be creative. It honestly depends how rich you are though.

...Wait you're getting slack for Natural Crit Sin??

Yeah, natural crit Sins have been pretty much defunct since Ice Picks... DD is and always will be better. I made one just because I love crits. I had the Morrigane Set and he was pretty bitchin with it at Niff and HOs. He became a casualty of my server transfer at about level 85(?) though. I didn't bother remaking him once I transferred since the novelty had worn off.

Actually what I mostly get slack for is my Champion... he doesn't even have G-Fist. *cough*

And you've got a Falconer Hunter now? That's pretty cool! I added Int and Luk to my Agi/Dex Hunter because he was my first character and I didn't know any better.... Then when I became a Sniper I went right back and got Luk and Int again because I missed my crazy falcon. xD

[Dyno247365]

Okay fine we can all be friends now. blaugh But judging from the prices, it's very hard to buy an Ice Pick. For instance, on Valkyrie it sells for around 50 million zeny...WHAT?! In any case, I don't think anyone should rely on a build based around such an expensive weapon.

Yeah my Falconer is doing really well for being poor ^^;;.





Currently I'm at:
Base: 60
Job: 30

[Daenyris]

That's why most people make their own Ice Picks. smile