Best Indie Fed Out There?

[pockybot]

Just curious what the best indie fed out there is in your mind, or even any Japanese/foreign wrestling circuits as well as youtube videos of what you think are the best highlights of said promotions

[IndystarX]

PWG!!

Badass wrestling, hilarious interaction between the fans and the wrestlers ("We want wrestling!" "THIS IS WRESTLING YOU ********!!!!!" ) and not only the best indie talent in the states but also access from Japan and Mexico

[kevin3485]

CHIKARA. Granted, I'm biased because it's like if wrestling made sweet, sweet love to a comic book, but, considering there are a lot of indie feds that got wet at the sight of the whole deathmatch thing, it's nice to see a group that not only focuses on actual wrestling, but has some amazing talent from all over the world. Not to mention that they host both the Young Lions Cup and, more importantly, King of Trios, showcasing talent from companies all across the world. I also enjoy the silly spots they do, because it shows that they're having fun...and that's the biggest plus in my book.

As for matches, I'm just going to leave this here, as it is one of the best matches I've seen...and that's saying something considering how long I've been watching wrestling:

[pockybot]

Yeah that's some great stuff, thanks! Checked out some highlight reels.

Some of the complicated overdone spotfests I was going "oh, c'mon...really?" but a lot of it is interesting. If I ran a fed, I'd take elements of the high flying/spotfest and crazy costumes but take out most the comedy/suspension of disbelief stuff but keep some of the theatrics. I just hate it when a wrestler does something that breaks the fourth wall, like summon lighting or make the power go out or whatever.

[IndystarX]

I love CHIKARA but they kinda lost me with the BDK. I am getting back into it since Eddie Kingston in champion

I MIGHT buy this PWG event, it's badass

And their next event, the tag-team is Appetite For Destruction (Kevin Steen & Super Dragon) vs. The Super Smash Bros (Player Uno & Stupified) vs. The RockNES Monsters (Johnny Yuma & Johnny Goodtime) vs. The Young Bucks


I am already planning to buy this show

[kevin3485]

pockybot

Yeah that's some great stuff, thanks! Checked out some highlight reels.

Some of the complicated overdone spotfests I was going "oh, c'mon...really?" but a lot of it is interesting. If I ran a fed, I'd take elements of the high flying/spotfest and crazy costumes but take out most the comedy/suspension of disbelief stuff but keep some of the theatrics. I just hate it when a wrestler does something that breaks the fourth wall, like summon lighting or make the power go out or whatever.

Comedy spots and fourth wall spots aren't necessarily bad. It depends on the company and how they're used. WWE and TNA couldn't get away with any of the stuff CHIKARA does, mostly cause they've already established themselves as "serious wrestling." It'd be like if a TV show did a complete 180 in the middle of its run...it wouldn't make sense. CHIKARA has already established itself as silly to a degree, and, to the audience, it only matters if you can look at it without taking it too seriously. Wrestling is essentially theater, so the idea of breaking the fourth wall or messing with the staples of wrestling (i.e. when a heel tells the ref that it was a 3-count, why doesn't the ref ever believe him) isn't that big a deal. But, to each his own...

[IndystarX]

pockybot

Yeah that's some great stuff, thanks! Checked out some highlight reels.

Some of the complicated overdone spotfests I was going "oh, c'mon...really?" but a lot of it is interesting. If I ran a fed, I'd take elements of the high flying/spotfest and crazy costumes but take out most the comedy/suspension of disbelief stuff but keep some of the theatrics. I just hate it when a wrestler does something that breaks the fourth wall, like summon lighting or make the power go out or whatever.

The thing about CHIKARA is that its essentially a company that you could bring your kids to and not be worried about sexuality, excessive violence or swearing in the product. This basically gives them the creativity to do a lot of wacky gimmicks. Sure, it's not for everyone, but essentially, you stop caring that two giant humanoid ants are wrestling two giant humanoid ice cream clowns and love the performers there. It's what made CHIKARA interesting. Without the comedy or the wackiness, the company wouldn't be as awesome

Besides, nothing wrong with a guy throwing an invisible grenade with everyone reacting in slow mo

[xxduhxx12]

Dragon Gate, Dragon Gate USA is alright but I prefer the Japanese promotion better. Also Kevin I agree with Chikara as its good as hell I bought me King Of Trios 2010 & 2011

[pockybot]

There's also a lot of indie feds that make me literally sick to my stomach.

Like IWA. I saw that Mike Levy vs Micki Knuckles incident...dear lord, talk about giving wrestling a bad name. That's by far one of the most sickening backwoods type thing Ive ever seen

Then AWF and New Jack. The guy literally tries stabbing and choking a guy to death in the ring, and the ref and security just stand by like its part of the "work". And then New Jack severely beats an elderly wrestler.

And then more recently Top Rop Productions back east. Watching that "scott hall match" from 2010 is one of the saddest, most embarrassing things Ive ever seen.

And still too many super ghetto barb wire and everything but the kitchen sink "indie feds" trying to be like CZW or ECW, except even way lamer.

[IndystarX]

pockybot

There's also a lot of indie feds that make me literally sick to my stomach.

Like IWA. I saw that Mike Levy vs Micki Knuckles incident...dear lord, talk about giving wrestling a bad name. That's by far one of the most sickening backwoods type thing Ive ever seen

Then AWF and New Jack. The guy literally tries stabbing and choking a guy to death in the ring, and the ref and security just stand by like its part of the "work". And then New Jack severely beats an elderly wrestler.

And then more recently Top Rop Productions back east. Watching that "scott hall match" from 2010 is one of the saddest, most embarrassing things Ive ever seen.

And still too many super ghetto barb wire and everything but the kitchen sink "indie feds" trying to be like CZW or ECW, except even way lamer.

IWA-MS (I believe IWA-DS is a different company all together) WAS the company that had the best talent. Guys like Punk, Joe, Danielson, Kazarian, Sabin, Claudio, Hero, Shelley owe their careers to IWA-MS but I think once PWG, ROH and CZW (and eventually CHIKARA) sprung up, all the great talent left and all really remained were the older indie talent and the guys who could only do garbage matches. For the good IWA-MS stuff, check the Ted Petty Invitational shows. Their badass

And New Jack has a habit of getting guys who tend to think they can be as hardcore as Jack. Hell, Gypsy Joe (the elderly wrestler you speak of) basically demanded Jack to blade him

And yeah, there are a lot of garbage promotions but most of them are relatively unknown.

[pockybot]

IndystarX

pockybot

There's also a lot of indie feds that make me literally sick to my stomach.

Like IWA. I saw that Mike Levy vs Micki Knuckles incident...dear lord, talk about giving wrestling a bad name. That's by far one of the most sickening backwoods type thing Ive ever seen

Then AWF and New Jack. The guy literally tries stabbing and choking a guy to death in the ring, and the ref and security just stand by like its part of the "work". And then New Jack severely beats an elderly wrestler.

And then more recently Top Rop Productions back east. Watching that "scott hall match" from 2010 is one of the saddest, most embarrassing things Ive ever seen.

And still too many super ghetto barb wire and everything but the kitchen sink "indie feds" trying to be like CZW or ECW, except even way lamer.

IWA-MS (I believe IWA-DS is a different company all together) WAS the company that had the best talent. Guys like Punk, Joe, Danielson, Kazarian, Sabin, Claudio, Hero, Shelley owe their careers to IWA-MS but I think once PWG, ROH and CZW (and eventually CHIKARA) sprung up, all the great talent left and all really remained were the older indie talent and the guys who could only do garbage matches. For the good IWA-MS stuff, check the Ted Petty Invitational shows. Their badass

And New Jack has a habit of getting guys who tend to think they can be as hardcore as Jack. Hell, Gypsy Joe (the elderly wrestler you speak of) basically demanded Jack to blade him

And yeah, there are a lot of garbage promotions but most of them are relatively unknown.

The few matches I saw of "IWA", it basically resembled a drunken white nationalist brawl in the backyard of a trailer park. Other than the ring, it looked like backyard wrestling.
http://vimeo.com/1457927

And when you see the new jack shoot interviews, the guy is literally crazy and brags about trying to kill guys in matches. There's a big difference about going a little hard on a guy doing a no sell or working stiff, than trying to stab a guy to death.

The other examples people showed above my post were pretty creative and interesting. At times a bit sloppy, but the heart is there and it's far removed from disturbing/trashy garbage feds.

[IndystarX]

pockybot

IndystarX

pockybot

There's also a lot of indie feds that make me literally sick to my stomach.

Like IWA. I saw that Mike Levy vs Micki Knuckles incident...dear lord, talk about giving wrestling a bad name. That's by far one of the most sickening backwoods type thing Ive ever seen

Then AWF and New Jack. The guy literally tries stabbing and choking a guy to death in the ring, and the ref and security just stand by like its part of the "work". And then New Jack severely beats an elderly wrestler.

And then more recently Top Rop Productions back east. Watching that "scott hall match" from 2010 is one of the saddest, most embarrassing things Ive ever seen.

And still too many super ghetto barb wire and everything but the kitchen sink "indie feds" trying to be like CZW or ECW, except even way lamer.

IWA-MS (I believe IWA-DS is a different company all together) WAS the company that had the best talent. Guys like Punk, Joe, Danielson, Kazarian, Sabin, Claudio, Hero, Shelley owe their careers to IWA-MS but I think once PWG, ROH and CZW (and eventually CHIKARA) sprung up, all the great talent left and all really remained were the older indie talent and the guys who could only do garbage matches. For the good IWA-MS stuff, check the Ted Petty Invitational shows. Their badass

And New Jack has a habit of getting guys who tend to think they can be as hardcore as Jack. Hell, Gypsy Joe (the elderly wrestler you speak of) basically demanded Jack to blade him

And yeah, there are a lot of garbage promotions but most of them are relatively unknown.

The few matches I saw of "IWA", it basically resembled a drunken white nationalist brawl in the backyard of a trailer park. Other than the ring, it looked like backyard wrestling.
http://vimeo.com/1457927

And when you see the new jack shoot interviews, the guy is literally crazy and brags about trying to kill guys in matches. There's a big difference about going a little hard on a guy doing a no sell or working stiff, than trying to stab a guy to death.

The other examples people showed above my post were pretty creative and interesting. At times a bit sloppy, but the heart is there and it's far removed from disturbing/trashy garbage feds.

First, what do you expect from a guy who lost brain matter after falling two stories off a ledge? He tried to kill Vic Grimes for a reason; revenge

Also that is a bad IWA-MS match but they've had some good IWA-MS stuff. I wish I could find it but it seems to be deleted. There used to be a good high-light video of the Ted Petty Invitational 2006. That had some of the best talent of the indies at the time and it was a good a showcase of the great stuff IWA-MS had.

[pockybot]

IndystarX

pockybot

IndystarX

pockybot

There's also a lot of indie feds that make me literally sick to my stomach.

Like IWA. I saw that Mike Levy vs Micki Knuckles incident...dear lord, talk about giving wrestling a bad name. That's by far one of the most sickening backwoods type thing Ive ever seen

Then AWF and New Jack. The guy literally tries stabbing and choking a guy to death in the ring, and the ref and security just stand by like its part of the "work". And then New Jack severely beats an elderly wrestler.

And then more recently Top Rop Productions back east. Watching that "scott hall match" from 2010 is one of the saddest, most embarrassing things Ive ever seen.

And still too many super ghetto barb wire and everything but the kitchen sink "indie feds" trying to be like CZW or ECW, except even way lamer.

IWA-MS (I believe IWA-DS is a different company all together) WAS the company that had the best talent. Guys like Punk, Joe, Danielson, Kazarian, Sabin, Claudio, Hero, Shelley owe their careers to IWA-MS but I think once PWG, ROH and CZW (and eventually CHIKARA) sprung up, all the great talent left and all really remained were the older indie talent and the guys who could only do garbage matches. For the good IWA-MS stuff, check the Ted Petty Invitational shows. Their badass

And New Jack has a habit of getting guys who tend to think they can be as hardcore as Jack. Hell, Gypsy Joe (the elderly wrestler you speak of) basically demanded Jack to blade him

And yeah, there are a lot of garbage promotions but most of them are relatively unknown.

The few matches I saw of "IWA", it basically resembled a drunken white nationalist brawl in the backyard of a trailer park. Other than the ring, it looked like backyard wrestling.
http://vimeo.com/1457927

And when you see the new jack shoot interviews, the guy is literally crazy and brags about trying to kill guys in matches. There's a big difference about going a little hard on a guy doing a no sell or working stiff, than trying to stab a guy to death.

The other examples people showed above my post were pretty creative and interesting. At times a bit sloppy, but the heart is there and it's far removed from disturbing/trashy garbage feds.

First, what do you expect from a guy who lost brain matter after falling two stories off a ledge? He tried to kill Vic Grimes for a reason; revenge

Also that is a bad IWA-MS match but they've had some good IWA-MS stuff. I wish I could find it but it seems to be deleted. There used to be a good high-light video of the Ted Petty Invitational 2006. That had some of the best talent of the indies at the time and it was a good a showcase of the great stuff IWA-MS had.

Well New Jack didnt seem right in interviews I saw with him before that terrible scaffold botch.
I just don't get why they allow these crazy matches. Barbed wire? Dear lord. I don't consider any of this stuff "wrestling". And that IWA footage...scariest crowd I ever seen. They used to be an actual indie fed? Because that just looks like backwoods backyard wrasslin.

Of course one can also point to the WWE circa 1998 as having dangerous matches. Particularly when Undertaker fought Mankind in hell in a cell or when Shane Mcmahon did this long dive onto Big Show from the top of the stage scaffolding.