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Do you believe 911 was a hoaX?

Yes.	29.8%	[ 31 ]
No	70.2%	[ 73 ]
Total Votes:			[ 104 ]

[pockybot]

6pack1

Pritchard

Everything in this thread has already been debunked. I've read conspiracy theories ten times larger than this, covering more points, mind you, and they have all been debunked. You have no idea what you are talking about, and are looking at a very narrow area of the events.

That exit hole for the plane's pretty big, even if it looks small there. The Pentagon has extremely thick cement walls every now and then, in layers, and the plane blast actually went pretty far through it. Eye witness reports? Well listen, it wasn't circling a 50 meter radius here. When was the last time you managed to track a plane flying over a range of miles upon miles over an hour or more?

When they invented RADAR!
You do know that radar reports position every few seconds right? So over hours, they would track that whole thing...

But, if you don't believe THAT, explain how that plane, which is HUGE mind you, entirely miss a wire fence, go a few feet above the grass, and leave that big of a hole (It really isn't the hole that tipped us off), and have absolutely no evidence of a plane ever being there? If the plane hit the wall, their would be a whole section missing, with a large gaping hole, threatening to make it a Quadrilateral. How come there is only ONE really bad video shown? If the Pentagon is the most guarded building in the US or at least one of, there should be HUNDREDS of angles of that plane coming in, yet they only show it from a gas station from across the street.

Why did they hit the WEST wall, the wall which had just gone over extensive repairs and wasn't even inhabited? To limit amount of casualties, they didn't really want anyone to die in that crash, but only show that it wasn't the government by destroying a piece of government property. They failed, however.

And back to guiding the plane over a fence and over grass to leave that small of a hole, even the most skilled pilot would tell you he couldn't do it. Those jetliners are so huge they can't be maneuvered as easily as a regular jet.

Think of a jetliner as a....Semi, and a jet as a Motorcycle or car. A Semi can't take extremely sharp turn like cars or motorcycles can, at least with a lot of skill, so what makes you think that some fresh graduate from pilot school will be able to?

Heh, what you just said reminds me of this spoof ad I made last year

[pockybot]

CNN just did a special on the mystery millitary plane circling over the Pentagon before it was allegedly hit by American Airlines 77.

The conclusion is pretty damn spooky, and points to something pretty eerie going on
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/09/12/king.mystery.plane.CNN

CNET Tech News has just exposed that "new" Osama video as
fake:
http://news.com.com/8300-10784_3-7-0.html?keyword=digital+forensics

Discovery wrote a great article exposing the government coverup of the air quality disaster from 9/11:
http://discovermagazine.com/blogs/discoblog/archive/2007/09/10/the-far-reaching-health-effects-of-9-11-air-pollution

and finally a very nice article by the Guardian on the continuing 9/11 coverup going on as a whole
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/peter_tatchell/2007/09/911_the_big_coverup.html

[Dark the Angel]

clearcrayola

Everyone needs to watch the movie Farenheit 9/11 by Michael Moore.
If you have not seen it, go watch it.

I would rather not watch it again, once is enough.

Biased and seething with inaccurate data, and its hard to believe that he pushed is as a docutmentary.

[YaoiBoi]

I don't think the government conspired this whole thing. I do believe they knew about it, and chose to let it happen. They wanted an excuse to invade the Middle East, developers wanted to redevelop the WTC, and this was therefore a great way to get everything solved. Plus a nifty crash into the Pentagon would help solidify the case that our government was completely innocent and unaware of what was to happen. More or less, they were just ignorant to the facts staring them in the face.
This all goes back to Bush buying his votes in 2000, and letting his Supreme Court buddies choose him to be Pres... not the people. incompetence in our leadership in government is not acceptable, but then again, the majority of Americans are retards anyway. Thanks a lot guys!

[YaoiBoi]

Dark the Angel

clearcrayola

Everyone needs to watch the movie Farenheit 9/11 by Michael Moore.
If you have not seen it, go watch it.

I would rather not watch it again, once is enough.

Biased and seething with inaccurate data, and its hard to believe that he pushed is as a docutmentary.

So some small facts may be fudged, but how can you completely believe everything the government tells you is fact? This "documentary" is much more eye-opening than most. He at least brings up several good points (like how come only 1 member of congress has a child in the war?).

[Dark the Angel]

YaoiBoi

Dark the Angel

clearcrayola

Everyone needs to watch the movie Farenheit 9/11 by Michael Moore.
If you have not seen it, go watch it.

I would rather not watch it again, once is enough.

Biased and seething with inaccurate data, and its hard to believe that he pushed is as a docutmentary.

So some small facts may be fudged, but how can you completely believe everything the government tells you is fact? This "documentary" is much more eye-opening than most. He at least brings up several good points (like how come only 1 member of congress has a child in the war?).

Proof please.

[agrab0ekim]

6pack1

agrab0ekim

6pack1

Tzeentch The Mutator

You also have to be twice a moron to put any worth in that.

The only respect you get out of me is that you are American and you want Ron Paul as President.

You will get more if you open your mind to the truth and stop believing this Brainwashing BULLSHIT that the government keeps feeding us! Come on! Do you really think the MEDIA is here to help you?

The Media is the number one controlled outlet of news in the country! If you want any REAL truth you have to look outside your country. globalresearch.ca is a great source, being in Canada, a neutral nation, which has no reason to blackout the media.

Then you truly think that a PLANE can take out A TOWER about 50 times the size of that plane! How do you explain it? Really?

I can give you SO many facts about why it WOULDN'T happen, so give me some concrete, undeniable facts why the Towers should have fallen, left molten metal, had sparks coming out the sides, EXPLODED, collapsed straight down, collapsed at free fall, had many explosions reported by firemen, left PULVERIZED CONCRETE, only burned for an hour before collapsing (A case in Spain had a building burnning all the way through the night until morning, the whole building on fire, but still stood. Explain that to me.)

Riddle me that, batman!

i notice you only reply to somebody all of us attacked
how about responding to more logical responces

Because I quoted the post which brought me straight to the post screen, and I felt like posting my idea before I lost the thought.

Could you tell me why you quote and respond to a post which, apparently, agrees with you, and then bash it just because they wanted to post their opinion on a subject related to the first couple of posts? I don't have the time to sit here and just go through all the pages. I have homework and typing to do (Computer Science takes up a lot of time) and so I only have a spare amount of time, which is why I posted to the post which,to me, is the epitome of the ignorant side of the debate.

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Now that that's out, let's get on to more pressing matters. I found a lot of videos that may be of interest to EVERYONE in this thread, even the other side. I suggest you watch them with an open mind that ANYTHING happened, either the planes did it, or it was inside, and then after watching these movies, see if they change your mind to being an inside job.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AMEX84uDe_I
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jl1VIhdpl4c
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IX9gdRST6zM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=La0LOG2NBM4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=q8XToX7aSdg
]http://youtube.com/watch?v=-F0MnfzkOhM

how about all of omnis, mine, and some other peoples posts which explained, in clear scientific terms, every question you asked

[YaoiBoi]

Dark the Angel

YaoiBoi

Dark the Angel

clearcrayola

Everyone needs to watch the movie Farenheit 9/11 by Michael Moore.
If you have not seen it, go watch it.

I would rather not watch it again, once is enough.

Biased and seething with inaccurate data, and its hard to believe that he pushed is as a docutmentary.

So some small facts may be fudged, but how can you completely believe everything the government tells you is fact? This "documentary" is much more eye-opening than most. He at least brings up several good points (like how come only 1 member of congress has a child in the war?).

Proof please.

I'm sorry, proof of what, you're a fool? Why don't you prove to me that this film is filled with lies and biased facts? Oh wait, don't you have school and homework to do?

[agrab0ekim]

pockybot

clearcrayola

i have seen it, but it has nothing about 9/11 being inside

Oh. I know. But I would say that it clears up a lot of the things that the government did in response to it. Of course they didn't plan the largest attack on American soil... but its how they manipulated the situation.
Meh, its hard to put into words, but it would still help people to gain a better understanding of the events cirrculating 9/11 and what measures the government did take ( ._.) etc...

Its really enlightening and full of the truth. I'm sure if more people watched it they would not be so eager to believe the alternate version of 9/11 which just so happens to be pointing a finger at the government for wrong doing. They did a lot wrong.. but they didn't plan the attacks.

Do you see what I'm trying to say? D: sweatdrop neutral

Youre pretty much saying people like me who dont believe the official government version of 9/11 are full of crap, but that we need to see proven liar Michael Moore's version to "Accept" the government version...even tho Fahrenheit is an attack against the government?

Ohhhhkay.

I got a WAY better documentary, and not only does it not have any fake theories or twisted facts...its endoresed by a lot of the families.
I urge EVERYONE who thinks weve been told the full truth about 9/11
to watch "Press For Truth"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3865048042993700360

It's 88 minutes...watch that(its wayyyy more powerful and gripping than that whitewash Fahrenheit) and you'll see why its not a "Bush did it" or "Osama did it" situation

agrab0ekim

clearcrayola

agrab0ekim

clearcrayola

Everyone needs to watch the movie Farenheit 9/11 by Michael Moore.
If you have not seen it, go watch it.

how is it relevant?

It just.. explains a lot. I watched it about 2 hours ago..
Its really hard to sum up. Sorry. xD
Its about 9/11, the government, the war, elections. Its a real eye opener. It might change your opinions about a lot of topics.. I know it did for me.

Its by Michael Moore btw. xP I know this doesn't really help...

i have seen it, but it has nothing about 9/11 being inside

Covering up a friend's(Saudi) involvement in 9/11 isnt inside?

he didnt cover it up, he got family friends out of the country

[Dark the Angel]

YaoiBoi

I'm sorry, proof of what, you're a fool? Why don't you prove to me that this film is filled with lies and biased facts? Oh wait, don't you have school and homework to do?

Oh my, personal attacks. How civil and mature of you.

I guess I should have asked for specifically that I need some proof of there only being one member of Congress whose child is serving in Iraq. Also, I don't believe everything that my government tells me and for you to assume that is just ignorant to accuse me of such a thing.

Link for you about Moore lies and inaccurate data

It's a long read and lots of big words in there that you might not understand, so if you had any problems just PM me, okay?

Enjoy and when you have the chance please, provide your proof.

[YaoiBoi]

Dark the Angel

Oh my, personal attacks. How civil and mature of you.

Just following in your footsteps.

[Dark the Angel]

YaoiBoi

Dark the Angel

Oh my, personal attacks. How civil and mature of you.

Just following in your footsteps.

Shows that you can't think for yourself but that's not the topic at hand, now is it?

Again, you fail to produce any proof, which can only point to the fact that you are a liar. Either produce the proof I asked for or please get out.

[clearcrayola]

Quote:

Youre pretty much saying people like me who dont believe the official government version of 9/11 are full of crap, but that we need to see proven liar Michael Moore's version to "Accept" the government version...even tho Fahrenheit is an attack against the government?

Ohhhhkay.

I got a WAY better documentary, and not only does it not have any fake theories or twisted facts...its endoresed by a lot of the families.
I urge EVERYONE who thinks weve been told the full truth about 9/11
to watch "Press For Truth"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3865048042993700360

It's 88 minutes...watch that(its wayyyy more powerful and gripping than that whitewash Fahrenheit) and you'll see why its not a "Bush did it" or "Osama did it" situation

For the last time, stop accusing me of saying things I didn't say. Not everything is about YOU.
I didn't say you had to agree with him but he includes a hell of a lot of facts about Bush and his administration which could help some people sort out the conspiracy from what really actually happened.

There's a lot of information surrounding the event that Farenheit 9/11 informs us about and its important to watch. Of course the personal profiles of people and reanacted events are all in there but its got so much vaulable material that you cannot make such general comments about it like you did.

Oh. You can NOT believe everything you find on the internet. The videos, the claims, and everything else. You just can't. Find some other real evidence to support your claim then you have something going.

P.S. George W. Bush DID cover it up. He covered up a lot of things, he says the same things over and over. He doesn't know how to speak or give his own opinion unless someone else tells him what to say. He blacked out names, did not win the first election, tried to make 9/11 about something else, he lied to the people and did not handle the situation correctly. BUT. He did not plot the attack.

[Meomix]

Aramek4

Sizzer Got Served.

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