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Can we now
derail this thread into a Canadian circlejerk?
You're here, aintcha?
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We can begin by mocking America's rate of death by violence per 100k people?
http://sites.nationalacademies.org/DBASSE/CPOP/DBASSE_080393#violence
Your source works to undermine your attempt. Even though America has the highest deaths by violence, it has fewer deaths from self-inflicted injuries. It is deaths from self-inflicted injuries that makes up the bulk of deaths from intentional injuries. Japan has the lowest deaths by violence but more then makes up for it with the highest death from self-inflicted injuries. Putting Japan at the highest deaths by intentional injuries.
Also remember that the number of deaths by intentional injuries are only about a fifteenth of total deaths. If you were to argue that their cause makes them more preventable and therefore more important to address, then preventing deaths from self-inflicted injuries would save more lives world wide then only focusing on deaths from violence in America.
I don't see how people in Japan killing themselves has anything to do with death by violence in America. The two are different beasts. One being self-inflicted and the other being
inflicted upon others, ridding them of their rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Also, assuming that there has to be some correlation between the two is nuts. Less violent deaths does not mean more people killing themselves. If it were the case, then the two charts would largely be the direct inverse of one another.
As you can see, Finland was second place for most violent deaths per 100k as well as most self-inflicted deaths per 100k people. There were no spots being switched. They didn't go from second place to second last, nor did Spain vice versa. However, I bet you didn't see that, did you? You just saw America and Japan, thought "AMERICA ******** YEAH" instead of enrolling in even an introductory statistics course, and typed the textual equivalent of explosive diarrhea onto your screen before pressing "Submit".
Basically, you're wrong.
Don't be stupid with me again.
Actually my assessment was right, in fact more lives would be saved in America if we focus on preventing self-inflicted death rather then preventing death by violence, but you probably don't care about that. We should probably focus on both. Or since America is so far behind on violence it can focus on that and the other nations that have come much closer to solving it can focus on self-inflicted death.
I never said there was a correlation, I didn't say that America had the fewest self inflicted deaths. My statement was self-inflicted deaths are a greater portion of the deaths then deaths by violence. Therefore eliminating self-inflicted deaths would have a greater impact on the total number of deaths.
Let me put this into math for you:
17 - 10 = 7 17 - 7 = 10 7 < 10 therefore subtracting 10 makes the end result smaller.
You brought up correlation from nowhere and then talked about how ridiculous that idea is. Aside from your accusations that I am somehow at fault for the topic you brought up. I agree with you and am glad that you talked it down so well on your own.
Perhaps I should have chosen Finland for my example instead of Japan. The same point for me would have been made and you would have been able to understand me correctly. My pick of Japan was to illustrate that even if you are the best in many categories you still have weaker points. And to say that in the outlook of all intentional deaths, deaths I consider completely preventable, Japan is still higher despite having the lowest amount of deaths by violence. 20 > 17 so Japan still has more deaths that can be prevented.
Also I looked at every part of chart before responding. I saw places where America was much better then other countries. I saw other places where it was the worst in the list. I saw that in the overall chart America was last as well. I'm not saying America is perfect just that it isn't horrible either.
Your whole point of bringing up the chart was to say look how horrible America is. I looked at the charts and thought "hmmm, that's noteworthy but what is the bigger picture."