What would it take for you to fight for your liberty?

[Jaydi Blaze]

It would take alot, considering that the public's opinion of public-vs-corrupt-government takes a complete 180 when it's our own people fighting against out own government....suddenly it's a bad thing.

[Lord Cameron]

I fight for Liberty everyday by trying to make a lawful living stare

[agrab0ekim]

Je Nique vos Merdiers

agrab0ekim

The second we lose our vote, either by reality or by proxy (as in it no longer has enough power to matter) is the second we should take both the ninth, and the tenth/second (the true purpose of the second, IMHO) combo and have a new constitutional convention (the rarely used method, i.e. proposed once, never again). There are various methods to ensure that we get what we want, but we need to be prepared to fight the private armies (thankfully, there are no longer hessian or the like, so it would only be American v. American (easier for peace, one supposes)).

How have you ever had a vote? Your political influence is mostly determined by your wealth, which is almost always determined at birth and lifelong.

Really?
I have voted in every single election since 18, every special, primary, local, random decision to raise taxes in the middle of the summer (yes, it happened, was not pleased), etc. That is my vote
It has as much say as any other american's, and the second it doesn't is the second that the country will revolt

[Je Nique vos Merdiers]

agrab0ekim

Je Nique vos Merdiers

agrab0ekim

The second we lose our vote, either by reality or by proxy (as in it no longer has enough power to matter) is the second we should take both the ninth, and the tenth/second (the true purpose of the second, IMHO) combo and have a new constitutional convention (the rarely used method, i.e. proposed once, never again). There are various methods to ensure that we get what we want, but we need to be prepared to fight the private armies (thankfully, there are no longer hessian or the like, so it would only be American v. American (easier for peace, one supposes)).

How have you ever had a vote? Your political influence is mostly determined by your wealth, which is almost always determined at birth and lifelong.

Really?
I have voted in every single election since 18, every special, primary, local, random decision to raise taxes in the middle of the summer (yes, it happened, was not pleased), etc. That is my vote
It has as much say as any other american's, and the second it doesn't is the second that the country will revolt

Yeah? How much of the course of the country have you decided since you were 18? What laws did you get passed, changed, or removed? How many tax codes did you influence, how many wars did you sell to the public, and how much did you get paid for the war? "All of them, because you voted"?

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Furthermore, analysis of voting statistics suggests that, regardless of the voting system, political choices are not free and independent (as most definitions of democracy pretend), but partly the collective result of peer influence. That is one — although not the only — explanation of why some voting statistics don't follow a Gaussian distribution, but instead show a relationship called a power law3, 4. Klimek and his colleagues find less extreme, but still significant, deviations from Gaussian statistics in their analysis of ‘unrigged’ elections1. They assume that some of these deviations result from collective effects such as voter mobilization: targeted, often single-issue campaigns to sway votes.

P. Ball, “Democracy isn’t all it is cracked up to be,” Nature, Jan. 2012. doi: 10.1038/nature.2012.9925
Money is the real vote, and I'm betting you're not in the small group that controls the big money.

[agrab0ekim]

Je Nique vos Merdiers

agrab0ekim

Je Nique vos Merdiers

agrab0ekim

The second we lose our vote, either by reality or by proxy (as in it no longer has enough power to matter) is the second we should take both the ninth, and the tenth/second (the true purpose of the second, IMHO) combo and have a new constitutional convention (the rarely used method, i.e. proposed once, never again). There are various methods to ensure that we get what we want, but we need to be prepared to fight the private armies (thankfully, there are no longer hessian or the like, so it would only be American v. American (easier for peace, one supposes)).

How have you ever had a vote? Your political influence is mostly determined by your wealth, which is almost always determined at birth and lifelong.

Really?
I have voted in every single election since 18, every special, primary, local, random decision to raise taxes in the middle of the summer (yes, it happened, was not pleased), etc. That is my vote
It has as much say as any other american's, and the second it doesn't is the second that the country will revolt

Yeah? How much of the course of the country have you decided since you were 18? What laws did you get passed, changed, or removed? How many tax codes did you influence, how many wars did you sell to the public, and how much did you get paid for the war? "All of them, because you voted"?

I don't vote for President, and my voice is merely 1/641,258 of one member, and 1/11,542,645 of the other (figure that math out), so I don't expect a great change due to my my opinion. Further, what my opinion is is irrelevant unless I agree with most Americans - it would be wrong for me to believe that a democracy should be entirely my decisions
As for laws, the answer is 27 state, 15 local, and 1 uber-local
As for tax codes, the answer is 7 (of the 15 local)
As for the war? None, because I wasn't active, so why would I be paid?
Wait, you seem to not realize what a republic is. Okay, gotcha, that's why this is so confusing. See, we live in a republic where our vote represents our small view, but the goal is that the large view (mass view), provided it is not in contra of the Constitution, is the way it works. Frankly, it seems to be working out quite well - and if it isn't, we can always amend the Constitution

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Furthermore, analysis of voting statistics suggests that, regardless of the voting system, political choices are not free and independent (as most definitions of democracy pretend), but partly the collective result of peer influence. That is one — although not the only — explanation of why some voting statistics don't follow a Gaussian distribution, but instead show a relationship called a power law3, 4. Klimek and his colleagues find less extreme, but still significant, deviations from Gaussian statistics in their analysis of ‘unrigged’ elections1. They assume that some of these deviations result from collective effects such as voter mobilization: targeted, often single-issue campaigns to sway votes.

P. Ball, “Democracy isn’t all it is cracked up to be,” Nature, Jan. 2012. doi: 10.1038/nature.2012.9925
Money is the real vote, and I'm betting you're not in the small group that controls the big money.

What language is part of my sigi in - are you sure I'm not in this small group?
Last I checked, Kasich didn't get elected by a bunch of bills (though, I wouldn't put it past him trying), rather, he was elected by almost 1.9 million people (who didn't read his plans)

[Je Nique vos Merdiers]

agrab0ekim

I don't vote for President, and my voice is merely 1/641,258 of one member, and 1/11,542,645 of the other (figure that math out), so I don't expect a great change due to my my opinion. Further, what my opinion is is irrelevant unless I agree with most Americans - it would be wrong for me to believe that a democracy should be entirely my decisions

You assume that you have proportional influence over the government, but reality shows otherwise. Candidates are selected by the minority before everyone's voice is even heard [1] and then they are heavily influenced by corporations[2][3], or private parties simply write laws for the reps[4].

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Wait, you seem to not realize what a republic is. Okay, gotcha, that's why this is so confusing. See, we live in a republic where our vote represents our small view, but the goal is that the large view (mass view), provided it is not in contra of the Constitution, is the way it works. Frankly, it seems to be working out quite well - and if it isn't, we can always amend the Constitution

Eh yeah yeah Constitution, cute. That must be why the TSA is allowed to molest people in airports, private security consultants are paid to make government surveillance rootkits[5] and persona management software[6], telecoms are given retroactive immunity for warrantless wiretapping, and government agencies have projects to monitor all radio communications (which private companies use to gain an edge; the mixing of government and corporations is also known as fascism, btw) [7] in the world and start insurrections in foreign nations[8]. I can't believe I couldn't find all the parts of the Constitution that allowed those things to happen. It was right in front of me the whole time.

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What language is part of my sigi in - are you sure I'm not in this small group?
Last I checked, Kasich didn't get elected by a bunch of bills (though, I wouldn't put it past him trying), rather, he was elected by almost 1.9 million people (who didn't read his plans)

He wasn't even elected by a majority. He only got 49% of the vote, how the ******** is that a decision-making process?
Since you have Hebrew in your sig I guess that means you're not a WASP, so yes, I'm sure.

[LSD TV]

abuses of my human rights, or of my fellow citizens. There are only two countries for which I would actually lay down my life, but in general I would try to help any human being with non-violent measures.

[XinfinitelyX]

Anything that takes a chunk out of my rights. I'd sooner die fighting for freedom than live without freedom.

[Touching Hair]

British citizens historically enjoy more freedom than the rest of the world, despite what most people think so I doubt I would ever need to act in anger to defend my freedom.

At the moment the worst threat to British freedom is the EU's undemocratic practices and certain laws I disagree with but that is not worth harming others. Taking away my freedom of speech or violating the human rights of my countrymen and possible handing over more of my rights to Europe would provoke a violent response.

[Wendigo]

Touching Hair

British citizens historically enjoy more freedom than the rest of the world, despite what most people think so I doubt I would ever need to act in anger to defend my freedom.

At the moment the worst threat to British freedom is the EU's undemocratic practices and certain laws I disagree with but that is not worth harming others.

Those anti-terrorism laws that criminalize certain kinds of information are right up there.

Though for my money, it's th' nativist groups, like the BNP and the EDL. Especially the ones tied up with hooliganism.

[The rose in spring]

Liberty? What a joke.

[TPO the Great]

Hmmmmmm... I would say that nothing could move me to violence against my fellow country men; I would instead leave the nation if it ever fell into such a state as to require me to take up arms. And if they should come invading my new home, well then they aren't my countrymen anymore and I can proudly defend my new homeland from them.

[Touching Hair]

Wendigo

Those anti-terrorism laws that criminalize certain kinds of information are right up there.

Though for my money, it's th' nativist groups, like the BNP and the EDL. Especially the ones tied up with hooliganism.

Racist political groups are becoming increasing isolated. They're like a cornered Badger, their voices are becoming louder and their actions more violent but they aren't any real threat.

[Camera Stellata]

Touching Hair

Wendigo

Those anti-terrorism laws that criminalize certain kinds of information are right up there.

Though for my money, it's th' nativist groups, like the BNP and the EDL. Especially the ones tied up with hooliganism.

Racist political groups are becoming increasing isolated. They're like a cornered Badger, their voices are becoming louder and their actions more violent but they aren't any real threat.

I would agree with this. A lot of people outside the UK dont seem to get how insignificant these groups actually are.

[Wendigo]

Camera Stellata

Touching Hair

Wendigo

Those anti-terrorism laws that criminalize certain kinds of information are right up there.

Though for my money, it's th' nativist groups, like the BNP and the EDL. Especially the ones tied up with hooliganism.

Racist political groups are becoming increasing isolated. They're like a cornered Badger, their voices are becoming louder and their actions more violent but they aren't any real threat.

I would agree with this. A lot of people outside the UK dont seem to get how insignificant these groups actually are.

Seems to me that if they were really insignificant, I wouldn't know about them. Because one thing I really don't give a s**t about in any sense is English social institutions.