What...The...Hell...

[Prettz3003]

America, in the mind of many, is evil. In the minds of the islamic regimes of the middle east, we are evil.

I want to challange that. In Sri Lanka, Where some of our troops were stationed, I saw a man with an Osama Bin Laden t-shirt, and I finially realized something. The world NEEDS American money to bail it out of s**t. They beg, plead, and groan till the American People send them some money. But when America needs the world support, where is the rest of the world? Jacking around.

Look at this mess in Asia. The US didn't NEED to send AID, but the humanitarian needs were so high that we decided to. We sent AID because we are doing the RIGHT thing, with the RIGHT intentions. But, when it comes to matters of our National Security, do we get the support of the countries that we gave money to? Hell no. We ******** bailed Europe out of two world wars, and they have the balls to say we're not going to HELP you. We give them, not counting the Marshall Plan, around $500 billion to help after those World Wars. Really, adjusting for inflation and everything that number should be around 2-3 TRILLION. Have we collected any of that back? And they can still say that they won't help? ******** them.

Now, look at the Islamic regimes. The ones that call America evil. How much did THEY give to Asia? Infact, how much did even CHINA give to Asia? But anyway, back to Islam. They gave NOTHING. How much did Osama give? Palistine? Egypt? Jordan? Lebanon? NOTHING. ******** them. Yet, WE get bitched at by the UN for being too stingy. That pisses me off. We had 5 men die in Iraq yesterday. Did those terrorists care enough to send aid to asia? We need to realize that the world is two faced when it comes to this.

Face it. It's like the trust fall. When somebody else is taking the fall, America shoulders most of the weight and never drops the person, but when we take the fall, we just hit the floor. When it's somebody else, the world wants America to give and give, but when it comes for them to give to America, they turn their backs on us. ******** them. ******** them all. They don't deserve our money.

Oh, and children... The next time some democrat comes preaching "We should be part of the global community", remember what the global community did to us on 9/11, and when it came to the war in Iraq. Remember that they want Osama as a part of the world community. Just do us a favor and say... ******** that.

[warpshadow]

I hate to break it to you but the tsunami aid is not some magical indulgance that will wipe away all of the United State's wrongdoings. 350 million is far too little for that anyway. Also it was good the the UN called us stingy otherwise we might not have given 90% of the aid that we are giving. As for asking why Palastine or Lebanon haven't sent money it is because they are poor due to being trashed by Israel with weapons given to them by the United States.

[Josie Mir]

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We ******** bailed Europe out of two world wars, and they have the balls to say we're not going to HELP you.

Help us what? They let us use their territory as a staging ground, as well as a base for nuclear missiles that would have gone off dangerously close to, or even within, their borders. They're also cooperating with us in hunting down the violent fanatics we now consider our No. 1 enemies.

So: tell me again what they're not helping with? Oh, right, the war we started on false pretenses. Not gonna say it was a bad war, but it was started on false pretenses, and then horribly mismanaged by an administration that insisted on going in without so much as tying its bootlaces and refused to listen to advice of combat veterans who warned them, "This battle plan and that one are unfeasible."

[Levilprivateer]

Prettz3003

Face it. It's like the trust fall. When somebody else is taking the fall, America shoulders most of the weight and never drops the person, but when we take the fall, we just hit the floor. When it's somebody else, the world wants America to give and give, but when it comes for them to give to America, they turn their backs on us. ******** them. ******** them all. They don't deserve our money.

I don't think its a question of deserving so much as a question of whether or not we, as a nation, were meant by the founding fathers to assist other nations. A bit of research reveals that the answer was quite simply no... we were not meant to enter into aid, donations, and charity.

[mscomies]

Prettz3003

America, in the mind of many, is evil. In the minds of the islamic regimes of the middle east, we are evil.

I want to challange that. In Sri Lanka, Where some of our troops were stationed, I saw a man with an Osama Bin Laden t-shirt, and I finially realized something. The world NEEDS American money to bail it out of s**t. They beg, plead, and groan till the American People send them some money. But when America needs the world support, where is the rest of the world? Jacking around.

Sri Lanka only have a 7% Muslim population (source). Although they have been experiencing a hell lot of rebel insurrections, government crackdowns, etc, Sri Lanka is simply incapable of harboring Islamic fundamentalism.

Prettz3003

We ******** bailed Europe out of two world wars, and they have the balls to say we're not going to HELP you. We give them, not counting the Marshall Plan, around $500 billion to help after those World Wars. Really, adjusting for inflation and everything that number should be around 2-3 TRILLION. Have we collected any of that back? And they can still say that they won't help? ******** them.

For fifty years, Europe stood by America's side in keeping the Soviet Union at bay. Don't tell me that they've been ungrateful for the aid we gave them after World War II.

Prettz3003

Now, look at the Islamic regimes. The ones that call America evil. How much did THEY give to Asia? Infact, how much did even CHINA give to Asia? But anyway, back to Islam. They gave NOTHING. How much did Osama give? Palistine? Egypt? Jordan? Lebanon? NOTHING. ******** them. Yet, WE get bitched at by the UN for being too stingy. That pisses me off. We had 5 men die in Iraq yesterday. Did those terrorists care enough to send aid to asia? We need to realize that the world is two faced when it comes to this.

You're being unreasonable when you demand the Muslim world provide as much tsunami aid to Asia as the Americans are. Egypt has a per capita GDP of $3,900 compared to America's per capita GDP of $37,000. That's even lower than the per capita GDP of Poland, Thailand, and even Albania.

Prettz3003

Oh, and children... The next time some democrat comes preaching "We should be part of the global community", remember what the global community did to us on 9/11, and when it came to the war in Iraq. Remember that they want Osama as a part of the world community. Just do us a favor and say... ******** that.

You won't find anyone supporting Osama Bin Laden outside of the middle east. The world was UNANIMOUS in their condemnation of Osama Bin Laden after September 11. Despite what you may think, no government supports, aids, or even provides the slightest shred of recognition to Osama's goal to create a middle-eastern Muslim theocracy.

[Levilprivateer]

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You're being unreasonable when you demand the Muslim world provide as much tsunami aid to Asia as the America. Egypt has a per capita GDP of $3,900 compared to America's per capita GDP of $37,000. That's even lower than the per capita GDP of Poland, Thailand, or even Albania.

When we consider the affluence of Luwait and Saudi Arabia, we do have to wonder at the lack of support from those nations, yes?

[mscomies]

Levilprivateer

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You're being unreasonable when you demand the Muslim world provide as much tsunami aid to Asia as the America. Egypt has a per capita GDP of $3,900 compared to America's per capita GDP of $37,000. That's even lower than the per capita GDP of Poland, Thailand, or even Albania.

When we consider the affluence of Luwait and Saudi Arabia, we do have to wonder at the lack of support from those nations, yes?

When you look at the income gap between the rich and the poor in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, the lack of support isn't surprising. Besides, most countries in the middle east aren't blessed with the oil reserves the Saudis have.

[Levilprivateer]

mscomies

Levilprivateer

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You're being unreasonable when you demand the Muslim world provide as much tsunami aid to Asia as the America. Egypt has a per capita GDP of $3,900 compared to America's per capita GDP of $37,000. That's even lower than the per capita GDP of Poland, Thailand, or even Albania.

When we consider the affluence of Luwait and Saudi Arabia, we do have to wonder at the lack of support from those nations, yes?

When you look at the income gap between the rich and the poor in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, it isn't. Besides, not every country in the middle east is blessed with the oil reserves the Saudis have.

Granted. Me, I'm against government donations at all... but it does strike me as somewhat odd that the US is getting bashed for not helping enough while other nations get by on a pittance.

[Jadier]

warpshadow

As for asking why Palastine or Lebanon haven't sent money it is because they are poor due to being trashed by Israel with weapons given to them by the United States.

Please explain why they got "trashed" by Israel, it couldn't possibly be that they attacked a soveriegn state without cause, could it?

Yes, America gives out a ton of Humanitarian aid and yes alot of the world does not like our politics, however this is extreme polarity. Because they disagree with us, we should not give them aid? Or because we give them aid, they should not disagree with us? Do not mix beliefs and money.

[Lixnia]

warpshadow

I hate to break it to you but the tsunami aid is not some magical indulgance that will wipe away all of the United State's wrongdoings. 350 million is far too little for that anyway. Also it was good the the UN called us stingy otherwise we might not have given 90% of the aid that we are giving. As for asking why Palastine or Lebanon haven't sent money it is because they are poor due to being trashed by Israel with weapons given to them by the United States.

Well, I hate to break it to YOU, but it's not only the Tsunmi funds we've been sending, we do so much more than that. So much more that almost every country out there OWS us millions of dollars. But do we force them to pay up? No. And the thanks we get? "America, you're stingy." Of COUSE they say that. THEY don't want to pay anything themselves. And with us paying so much, THEY don't have to.

As for Israel, don't sit back and pretend that Palastine or Lebanon are saints. Both have done bad things. Both are paying for it. We don't force Israel to pay us back either, do we?

[Lixnia]

Josie Mir

Help us what? They let us use their territory as a staging ground, as well as a base for nuclear missiles that would have gone off dangerously close to, or even within, their borders. They're also cooperating with us in hunting down the violent fanatics we now consider our No. 1 enemies.

So: tell me again what they're not helping with? Oh, right, the war we started on false pretenses. Not gonna say it was a bad war, but it was started on false pretenses, and then horribly mismanaged by an administration that insisted on going in without so much as tying its bootlaces and refused to listen to advice of combat veterans who warned them, "This battle plan and that one are unfeasible."

Except... It wasn't started under 'false pretenses'. The terrorists attacks us, and Saddam funded the terrorists with tons of money. Saddam also broke one too many peace treaties. I'd say that's good enough reason to start war.

[Lixnia]

Levilprivateer

Prettz3003

Face it. It's like the trust fall. When somebody else is taking the fall, America shoulders most of the weight and never drops the person, but when we take the fall, we just hit the floor. When it's somebody else, the world wants America to give and give, but when it comes for them to give to America, they turn their backs on us. ******** them. ******** them all. They don't deserve our money.

I don't think its a question of deserving so much as a question of whether or not we, as a nation, were meant by the founding fathers to assist other nations. A bit of research reveals that the answer was quite simply no... we were not meant to enter into aid, donations, and charity.

No, we're not ment as a nation to help other nations in need. But we do, because it's the right thing to do. We do because we care. What Prettz is getting at, is that we don't get any thanks for it at all. It's not like we do it for the thanks, but it would be nice once in a while. Face it. the world takes advantage of our kindness, and spits in back into our faces.

[Lixnia]

mscomies

Sri Lanka only have a 7% Muslim population (source). Although they have been experiencing a hell lot of rebel insurrections, government crackdowns, etc, Sri Lanka is simply incapable of harboring Islamic fundamentalism.

Where did Prettz say that it was a Muslim nation? And every nation is possible of anything, such as harboring Islamic Fundamentalism. Especially if they're afraid of their lives.

mscomies

For fifty years, Europe stood by America's side in keeping the Soviet Union at bay. Don't tell me that they've been ungrateful for the aid we gave them after World War II.

They're ungratefull in the fact that most of the country says horrible things about us and looks down at us. (Not that I'm supprised, concidering all the media shows is extreme liberals shouting about how horrible this great country is (ie: Moore)).

mscomies

You're being unreasonable when you demand the Muslim world provide as much tsunami aid to Asia as the Americans are. Egypt has a per capita GDP of $3,900 compared to America's per capita GDP of $37,000. That's even lower than the per capita GDP of Poland, Thailand, or even Albania.

He didn't accuse them of not giving as much. He accused them of giving NOTHING.

mscomies

You won't find anyone supporting Osama Bin Laden outside of the middle east. The world was UNANIMOUS in their condemnation of Osama Bin Laden after September 11. Despite what you may think, no government supports, aids, or even provides the slightest shred of recognition to Osama's goal to create a middle-eastern Muslim theocracy.

Actually, a lot of them do. Not that they'll tell you that, but they do. Because a lot of them still want to see America fall.

[mscomies]

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British charities under the umbrella of the Disasters Emergency Committee (DEC) said their appeals had netted STG20 million ($49.5 million) in aid in 48 hours.

The British campaign involved charities like Oxfam, Save the Children, the British Red Cross, World Vision, and Christian Aid.

Queen Elizabeth II has also contributed a "substantial" but undisclosed sum, a Buckingham Palace spokesman said.

Two Canadian provinces set aside aid worth $US10.8 million ($13.9 million) for Asian tsunami victims, bringing Canada's total government aid package to $44 million ($47 million).

In Italy, a media campaign reportedly netted more than 11 million euro ($19.3 million) from mobile phone users while the Italian foreign ministry has set aside three million euro ($5.3 million) for immediate relief.

A similar campaign in the Netherlands, launched by aid groups including UNICEF, the Red Cross and Medecins Sans Frontieres, had already brought in 9.3 million euro ($16.3 million) by today.

US President George W. Bush yesterday hit back at criticism from a UN official that offers by wealthy nations had been "stingy", but the New York Times and the French newspaper Le Figaro agreed with the UN official.

Meanwhile, Mr Bush said Australia, India, Japan and the United States would form a "core group" to deal with the crisis - US officials insisted this would not conflict with the job of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), charged with overseeing global relief operations.

The governments of Australia, Britain, Canada, France, the Netherlands, Portugal, Sweden and the United States have all dramatically increased their pledges of aid in the last few days.

The French government has now pledged a total of at $US56 million ($71.9 million), including its portion of a 20 million euro ($35 million) European Union aid program.

Other leading government contributors were Japan at $US40 million ($51.4 million), the Netherlands at $US36 million ($46.2 million), Canada at $US32.8 million ($42.1 million), Germany at $US27 million ($34.67 million), Australia at $A35 million, Portugal at $US11 million ($14.1 million), Saudi Arabia at $US10 million ($12.8 million), and Arab Gulf neighbour of Qatar at $US10 million ($12.8 million).

Smaller contributions from 15 other countries, most of them European nations but also China, Iran and Kuwait amounted to more than $US25 million ($32.1 million), according to figures compiled by AFP.

http://sundaytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,9353,11818747-1702,00.html

[mscomies]

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Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed
By Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 17, 2004; Page A01


The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.



Along with the contention that Saddam Hussein was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials have often asserted that there were extensive ties between Hussein's government and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network; earlier this year, Cheney said evidence of a link was "overwhelming."

But the report of the commission's staff, based on its access to all relevant classified information, said that there had been contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda but no cooperation. In yesterday's hearing of the panel, formally known as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, a senior FBI official and a senior CIA analyst concurred with the finding.

The staff report said that bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq" while in Sudan through 1996, but that "Iraq apparently never responded" to a bin Laden request for help in 1994. The commission cited reports of contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda after bin Laden went to Afghanistan in 1996, adding, "but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States."

The finding challenges a belief held by large numbers of Americans about al Qaeda's ties to Hussein. According to a Harris poll in late April, a plurality of Americans, 49 percent to 36 percent, believe "clear evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda has been found."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html