What's your opinion on the passing of the health care plan?

[GunsmithKitten]

Vercingetorix VII

You can control driving safely, and your failure to do so endangers others. In this way it is exactly the opposite of healthcare.

If there's no way to make health insurance work without discriminating for actual need, and if discriminating for actual need causes manifest injustice, which it clearly does, then the only logical solution is to abandon health insurance and try the solution that has worked for every other first world nation.

OR actually go to an actual free market system instead of an outside industry cartel running the show.

[Darkphantom]

Mokie7

Cory Shallow

cypherdtraitor

I hope it covers free prescription lenses so I can read posts in funny fonts and colors.

Canadian healthcare doesn't help me, and I'm -9.50/-9.50

I don't even know how to quantify my eyesight... I've always just described it as "s**t"

Well I'm -2.5/-2.2 As a benchmark that means if I sit at the back of the class about 13meters away from the board I can't read half of the things written.

So for her -9.5 means she can sit at the front of the class 2 meters away and she can't see anything.

It's pretty bad.

[Vercingetorix VII]

GunsmithKitten

Vercingetorix VII

You can control driving safely, and your failure to do so endangers others. In this way it is exactly the opposite of healthcare.

If there's no way to make health insurance work without discriminating for actual need, and if discriminating for actual need causes manifest injustice, which it clearly does, then the only logical solution is to abandon health insurance and try the solution that has worked for every other first world nation.

OR actually go to an actual free market system instead of an outside industry cartel running the show.

Politically impossible. The Republicans talk s**t like they love free markets, but they're the first to try and use even the hint of a suggestion that spending- not benefits, mind, just wasteful spending- would be cut from Medicaid as a political bludgeon.

Old people are the primary opponents of healthcare reform- along with most other halfway decent ideas in this country- and they're not going to stand for seeing their own benefits diminished.

Of course, these same assholes will continue running up a deficit while saying they're entitled to healthcare because they've been paying into the system. Never mind that the majority of the costs are shifted onto the future generations. It's like your roommate buying s**t with your credit card and telling you they should have first dibs on it.

Anyway. Your solution is impossible to implement, so not such a good solution, even if it would work out (which I don't think it would).

[BlueCollarJoe]

Vercingetorix VII

GunsmithKitten

Vercingetorix VII

You can control driving safely, and your failure to do so endangers others. In this way it is exactly the opposite of healthcare.

If there's no way to make health insurance work without discriminating for actual need, and if discriminating for actual need causes manifest injustice, which it clearly does, then the only logical solution is to abandon health insurance and try the solution that has worked for every other first world nation.

OR actually go to an actual free market system instead of an outside industry cartel running the show.

Politically impossible. The Republicans talk s**t like they love free markets, but they're the first to try and use even the hint of a suggestion that spending- not benefits, mind, just wasteful spending- would be cut from Medicaid as a political bludgeon.

Old people are the primary opponents of healthcare reform- along with most other halfway decent ideas in this country- and they're not going to stand for seeing their own benefits diminished.

Of course, these same assholes will continue running up a deficit while saying they're entitled to healthcare because they've been paying into the system. Never mind that the majority of the costs are shifted onto the future generations. It's like your roommate buying s**t with your credit card and telling you they should have first dibs on it.

Anyway. Your solution is impossible to implement, so not such a good solution, even if it would work out (which I don't think it would).

Verc, that is the dumbest post you've ever made.

[Foxie-Sama]

GunsmithKitten

Quote:

Do you even understand how insurance works? If pre-exisitng conditions were not excluded, hardly anyone would buy it until they did fall ill.

So again, you don't believe people with congenital conditions should have access to care?

Where did I say that? You are putting words in my mouth. I was just explaining WHY insurance companies exclude pre-exisiting conditions. If you read my first post in this thread, I don't just say "I don't like it" I give another idea on how we could insure them. The fact of the matter is, that the government wouldn't want to do it because it would cost them too much damn money, so why in the hell does everyone expect health insurance companies cover it?

[Foxie-Sama]

Vercingetorix VII

GunsmithKitten

Vercingetorix VII

You can control driving safely, and your failure to do so endangers others. In this way it is exactly the opposite of healthcare.

If there's no way to make health insurance work without discriminating for actual need, and if discriminating for actual need causes manifest injustice, which it clearly does, then the only logical solution is to abandon health insurance and try the solution that has worked for every other first world nation.

OR actually go to an actual free market system instead of an outside industry cartel running the show.

Politically impossible. The Republicans talk s**t like they love free markets, but they're the first to try and use even the hint of a suggestion that spending- not benefits, mind, just wasteful spending- would be cut from Medicaid as a political bludgeon.

Old people are the primary opponents of healthcare reform- along with most other halfway decent ideas in this country- and they're not going to stand for seeing their own benefits diminished.

Of course, these same assholes will continue running up a deficit while saying they're entitled to healthcare because they've been paying into the system. Never mind that the majority of the costs are shifted onto the future generations. It's like your roommate buying s**t with your credit card and telling you they should have first dibs on it.

Anyway. Your solution is impossible to implement, so not such a good solution, even if it would work out (which I don't think it would).

Hold on a minute. I love how you contradicted yourself in your post. You first say that old people are bitching because they paid into the system but are getting their benifits cut, then you use the analogy of your roommate using yor credit care to buy something and they claim dibs on it.

Put yourself in the elderly's shoes. Right now, if you are working, you are currently paying into the social security system, so that when you retire, you will get that back. That is compeletly fair. What isn't fair is that we are paying into the system, and we will most likely NOT recieve soical security when we retire. So we have to still pay into the system AND pay into 401(k)s just so we can have money in the future so we can actually retire. So for us to be able to retire comfortably, we have to pay in twice, once for our taxes that the government is taking out and the money that we are putting into the 401(k).


Now, here is a question for you, WHY is social security bankrupt? Because the government keeps dipping into it. If they would have left that money alone, there quite possibly be plenty of money in the system to sustain itself. Thing about, if you start working when you are 18, and work until you are 65, thats a SHITLOAD of money the government has taken that it has collected interest on, and thats not counting the people that pay into the system that die before they can retire and collect.

[Vercingetorix VII]

Foxie-Sama

Vercingetorix VII

GunsmithKitten

Vercingetorix VII

You can control driving safely, and your failure to do so endangers others. In this way it is exactly the opposite of healthcare.

If there's no way to make health insurance work without discriminating for actual need, and if discriminating for actual need causes manifest injustice, which it clearly does, then the only logical solution is to abandon health insurance and try the solution that has worked for every other first world nation.

OR actually go to an actual free market system instead of an outside industry cartel running the show.

Politically impossible. The Republicans talk s**t like they love free markets, but they're the first to try and use even the hint of a suggestion that spending- not benefits, mind, just wasteful spending- would be cut from Medicaid as a political bludgeon.

Old people are the primary opponents of healthcare reform- along with most other halfway decent ideas in this country- and they're not going to stand for seeing their own benefits diminished.

Of course, these same assholes will continue running up a deficit while saying they're entitled to healthcare because they've been paying into the system. Never mind that the majority of the costs are shifted onto the future generations. It's like your roommate buying s**t with your credit card and telling you they should have first dibs on it.

Anyway. Your solution is impossible to implement, so not such a good solution, even if it would work out (which I don't think it would).

Hold on a minute. I love how you contradicted yourself in your post. You first say that old people are bitching because they paid into the system but are getting their benifits cut, then you use the analogy of your roommate using yor credit care to buy something and they claim dibs on it.

Put yourself in the elderly's shoes. Right now, if you are working, you are currently paying into the social security system, so that when you retire, you will get that back. That is compeletly fair. What isn't fair is that we are paying into the system, and we will most likely NOT recieve soical security when we retire. So we have to still pay into the system AND pay into 401(k)s just so we can have money in the future so we can actually retire. So for us to be able to retire comfortably, we have to pay in twice, once for our taxes that the government is taking out and the money that we are putting into the 401(k).


Now, here is a question for you, WHY is social security bankrupt? Because the government keeps dipping into it. If they would have left that money alone, there quite possibly be plenty of money in the system to sustain itself. Thing about, if you start working when you are 18, and work until you are 65, thats a SHITLOAD of money the government has taken that it has collected interest on, and thats not counting the people that pay into the system that die before they can retire and collect.

The reason Social Security and the government generally is bankrupt is because for decades, Americans have refused to pay a tax level commensurate with their spending. Hence the debt that I am obligated to pay for is exclusively due to the excess spending and stingy funding of the generations now receiving the benefits of medicare and social security.

BlueCollarJoe

Verc, that is the dumbest post you've ever made.

Do expound.

[Lord Cameron]

BlueCollarJoe

Verc, that is the dumbest post you've ever made.

I think he has a crush on her

[Vercingetorix VII]

Nuh-uh.

[BlueCollarJoe]

Vercingetorix VII

BlueCollarJoe

Verc, that is the dumbest post you've ever made.

Do expound.

Don't blame the older generation that worked to build this country, the workers of the country, those that paid their money into a fund that was designed to provide for them for their retirement, IF they were lucky enough to make it to collect that money.
they built the roads this country runs on, the cities, factories and such. You want to blame someone? Blame those that live off the government tit, from the welfare mothers to the companies that survive and get grants from the government on a regular basis.
Blame those IDIOTS that bought houses that they could barely pay the interest on but still purchased them on an ARM because the FHA said it was discrimination to deny them those loans so they could 'get nicer houses'.
Until they matured and bankrupt, flooding the market with underpriced, under maintained homes that the ******** even take the appliances and typically the overhead lights, ceiling fans and, yes, the HVAC units from, as well as painting nice little messages on the wall making excuses for their stupidity.
Blame this generation that is coming up that thinks they have a right to something that the seniors pay into for five or more decades JUST so they can go to a doctor, and STILL get stuck paying more money every month, on top of what they've already paid in, because the government turned their retirement plan into a ******** piggy bank because it had a surplus.
All that pissed away money? Blame the politicians that constantly feel the need to buy votes.
Rather than making the hard choices and telling people sorry, you're gonna have to figure out how to do this on your own, they roll over and spend money they don't have.
And no sign of letting up yet.

[Jumps the Gun]

Opinion,

Just what we need, every ******** idiot on a gravy train that's gonna annihilate the generations in the future.

We can't put the inevitable off for long. This pushing pushing the debt, is gonna snap back.

Plus, I don't think everyone should be required. For Christ's sake, just lift the Insurance state boundaries.

[Bat Lash_x]

C0NCRETE_ANGEL

As they just announced the house voted on the health care plan and it passed 220- 215... What is your opinion on this?

Just what we need. Government controlling our healthcare yet can't get this country working properly. Where's my H1N1 shot? Come on here. The government will screw everything up once again. That's just my opinion.

[Vercingetorix VII]

BlueCollarJoe

Vercingetorix VII

BlueCollarJoe

Verc, that is the dumbest post you've ever made.

Do expound.

Don't blame the older generation that worked to build this country, the workers of the country, those that paid their money into a fund that was designed to provide for them for their retirement, IF they were lucky enough to make it to collect that money.
they built the roads this country runs on, the cities, factories and such. You want to blame someone? Blame those that live off the government tit, from the welfare mothers to the companies that survive and get grants from the government on a regular basis.
Blame those IDIOTS that bought houses that they could barely pay the interest on but still purchased them on an ARM because the FHA said it was discrimination to deny them those loans so they could 'get nicer houses'.
Until they matured and bankrupt, flooding the market with underpriced, under maintained homes that the ******** even take the appliances and typically the overhead lights, ceiling fans and, yes, the HVAC units from, as well as painting nice little messages on the wall making excuses for their stupidity.
Blame this generation that is coming up that thinks they have a right to something that the seniors pay into for five or more decades JUST so they can go to a doctor, and STILL get stuck paying more money every month, on top of what they've already paid in, because the government turned their retirement plan into a ******** piggy bank because it had a surplus.
All that pissed away money? Blame the politicians that constantly feel the need to buy votes.
Rather than making the hard choices and telling people sorry, you're gonna have to figure out how to do this on your own, they roll over and spend money they don't have.
And no sign of letting up yet.

What I hear is finger pointing and shifting of the blame, and what I say is that I don't ******** care what your excuses are, Joe. You're goddamn right I think I'm entitled to basic healthcare coverage that every other citizen of every other rich nation has, without worrying about being dropped or my insurance refusing to pay for the best treatment. Why do I think I'm entitled?

Because I'm the one stuck with the bill.

You can justify this until kingdom come, but the simple fact is that the older generations aren't paying for their own way, and barring a brief stint under Clinton that the Republicans promptly destroyed, they haven't been for decades.

I'm paying for them.

I'm paying for, once we take into account both inflation and interest, something like 1/3 to 1/4 of each year's budget. And my children are going to be paying it.

I don't give a damn what hard work you've done or wars you've fought in, it doesn't change the fact that you're spending my money more than you're spending yours.

You don't think it's fair that the poor should take money from the rich, as you put it, through progressive taxation? Well I don't think it's ******** fair that I should be saddled with debt because the old ******** before me voted tax-slashing clown after tax-slashing clown into office while rioting at every proposed budget cut to balance spending out.

tl;dr;


I'll stop blaming the older generation when it stops being their fault.

[Resid3nt]

whats so wrong on having another option?

[Vercingetorix VII]

Resid3nt

whats so wrong on having another option?

Blah blah blah communism blah blah blah death panels.