What's your opinion on the passing of the health care plan?

[Slaughts208]

Eh, just waiting for more polarization and radicalization of the parties in the coming months. I daresay the 2010 mid-terms are going to be one of the more energized elections in a long while.

[jamal911]

It has to be passed in the Senate again, so I don't think you can really say that the health care bill is a done deal.

[Cory Shallow]

cypherdtraitor

I hope it covers free prescription lenses so I can read posts in funny fonts and colors.

Canadian healthcare doesn't help me, and I'm -9.50/-9.50

[Mokie7]

Cory Shallow

cypherdtraitor

I hope it covers free prescription lenses so I can read posts in funny fonts and colors.

Canadian healthcare doesn't help me, and I'm -9.50/-9.50

I don't even know how to quantify my eyesight... I've always just described it as "s**t"

[Cory Shallow]

Mokie7

Cory Shallow

cypherdtraitor

I hope it covers free prescription lenses so I can read posts in funny fonts and colors.

Canadian healthcare doesn't help me, and I'm -9.50/-9.50

I don't even know how to quantify my eyesight... I've always just described it as "s**t"

Mine would be "s**t and then some".

[Boo-Boo-Ah-Chu]

GunsmithKitten

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So I have a proposition for the government that would take care of the pre-existing conditions. Here in my state, auto insurance is required to drive. If you are turned down by enough insurers, you can be placed in a separate "pool" of insurance for a few years, and then as long as you are accident and violation free, you can go with a regular insurer. Now, why won't the government do something similar with people that can't get health insurance due to pre-existing conditions? Because it would cost too much! So if the government couldn't insure them, how in the hell do they expect the insurance companies to insure them?

Not much of a system if it's not going to bother helping you out if you have a congenital defect.

And I'm still against this bill, by the way. It doesn't do dink to fix what I think is wrong and only succeeds in adding to our debt.

We'll just annex Canada for their oil. No big deal. biggrin

[Cory Shallow]

Raptor Mechanic

GunsmithKitten

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So I have a proposition for the government that would take care of the pre-existing conditions. Here in my state, auto insurance is required to drive. If you are turned down by enough insurers, you can be placed in a separate "pool" of insurance for a few years, and then as long as you are accident and violation free, you can go with a regular insurer. Now, why won't the government do something similar with people that can't get health insurance due to pre-existing conditions? Because it would cost too much! So if the government couldn't insure them, how in the hell do they expect the insurance companies to insure them?

Not much of a system if it's not going to bother helping you out if you have a congenital defect.

And I'm still against this bill, by the way. It doesn't do dink to fix what I think is wrong and only succeeds in adding to our debt.

We'll just annex Canada for their oil. No big deal. biggrin

Like hell I'mma let that happen. We'll offer your soldiers franchise fast food coupons and your invasion will stagnate.

[BlueCollarJoe]

Cory Shallow

Raptor Mechanic

GunsmithKitten

Quote:

So I have a proposition for the government that would take care of the pre-existing conditions. Here in my state, auto insurance is required to drive. If you are turned down by enough insurers, you can be placed in a separate "pool" of insurance for a few years, and then as long as you are accident and violation free, you can go with a regular insurer. Now, why won't the government do something similar with people that can't get health insurance due to pre-existing conditions? Because it would cost too much! So if the government couldn't insure them, how in the hell do they expect the insurance companies to insure them?

Not much of a system if it's not going to bother helping you out if you have a congenital defect.

And I'm still against this bill, by the way. It doesn't do dink to fix what I think is wrong and only succeeds in adding to our debt.

We'll just annex Canada for their oil. No big deal. biggrin

Like hell I'mma let that happen. We'll offer your soldiers franchise fast food coupons and your invasion will stagnate.

Just open a strip club at the border with cheap booze and food. They'll never make it ten miles inland.

[Cory Shallow]

BlueCollarJoe

Cory Shallow

Raptor Mechanic

GunsmithKitten

Quote:

So I have a proposition for the government that would take care of the pre-existing conditions. Here in my state, auto insurance is required to drive. If you are turned down by enough insurers, you can be placed in a separate "pool" of insurance for a few years, and then as long as you are accident and violation free, you can go with a regular insurer. Now, why won't the government do something similar with people that can't get health insurance due to pre-existing conditions? Because it would cost too much! So if the government couldn't insure them, how in the hell do they expect the insurance companies to insure them?

Not much of a system if it's not going to bother helping you out if you have a congenital defect.

And I'm still against this bill, by the way. It doesn't do dink to fix what I think is wrong and only succeeds in adding to our debt.

We'll just annex Canada for their oil. No big deal. biggrin

Like hell I'mma let that happen. We'll offer your soldiers franchise fast food coupons and your invasion will stagnate.

Just open a strip club at the border with cheap booze and food. They'll never make it ten miles inland.

We already have those. Near the border, the between land, and the inland too.

[Lexille]

It's pretty much D.O.A. in senate... hope it stays that way...

[Foxie-Sama]

Vercingetorix VII

Foxie-Sama

So I have a proposition for the government that would take care of the pre-existing conditions. Here in my state, auto insurance is required to drive. If you are turned down by enough insurers, you can be placed in a separate "pool" of insurance for a few years, and then as long as you are accident and violation free, you can go with a regular insurer. Now, why won't the government do something similar with people that can't get health insurance due to pre-existing conditions? Because it would cost too much! So if the government couldn't insure them, how in the hell do they expect the insurance companies to insure them?


There is some food for thought

Because people that fall violently ill don't fall in the same moral or legal category as those that drive recklessly, you horrid little twit.

Why on God's green Earth should health insurers get to charge people more when they actually need healthcare? Do casinos get to kick out clients that start winning?

Do you even understand how insurance works? If pre-exisitng conditions were not excluded, hardly anyone would buy it until they did fall ill. So you pay $100 a month for your health insurance then, and they have to pay $2k out on you a month. How long would the insurance company stay in business then? Not very long


To address your casino scenario, yes, they DO kick you out if you keep winning. And if you won too much, they ban you for life.

[Jayken Serintal]

BlueCollarJoe

Jayken - the Caidya

I was a might pissed when they didn't address the mandatory clause. I understand that they don't want people who become ill to suddenly just the buy the insurance and expect full coverage, at the same time that's what being a responsible American is all about.

I don't know, the whole issue of heath care insurance is a complicated one.

No federal funds for it, and no damn subsidies hidden either. If they try to put the abortion clause back in, watch it die again.

I completely agree with you on the abortion clause. I'm all for women deciding what they should do with their body, but on the case of abortion it should be fully funded by the individuals involved and not by the overall population.

[BlueCollarJoe]

Foxie-Sama

Vercingetorix VII

Foxie-Sama

So I have a proposition for the government that would take care of the pre-existing conditions. Here in my state, auto insurance is required to drive. If you are turned down by enough insurers, you can be placed in a separate "pool" of insurance for a few years, and then as long as you are accident and violation free, you can go with a regular insurer. Now, why won't the government do something similar with people that can't get health insurance due to pre-existing conditions? Because it would cost too much! So if the government couldn't insure them, how in the hell do they expect the insurance companies to insure them?


There is some food for thought

Because people that fall violently ill don't fall in the same moral or legal category as those that drive recklessly, you horrid little twit.

Why on God's green Earth should health insurers get to charge people more when they actually need healthcare? Do casinos get to kick out clients that start winning?

Do you even understand how insurance works? If pre-exisitng conditions were not excluded, hardly anyone would buy it until they did fall ill. So you pay $100 a month for your health insurance then, and they have to pay $2k out on you a month. How long would the insurance company stay in business then? Not very long


To address your casino scenario, yes, they DO kick you out if you keep winning. And if you won too much, they ban you for life.

It should be treated like automobile insurance, in that you should be required to have it. You could have 'liability' (read that as catastrophic care only) for less, or 'full coverage' for more.
Depending on your 'driving record' or health, your rates vary. You go years without a 'claim', you get a discount.
Of course, a deductible should be part of it as well.

[GunsmithKitten]

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Do you even understand how insurance works? If pre-exisitng conditions were not excluded, hardly anyone would buy it until they did fall ill.

So again, you don't believe people with congenital conditions should have access to care?

[Vercingetorix VII]

You can control driving safely, and your failure to do so endangers others. In this way it is exactly the opposite of healthcare.

If there's no way to make health insurance work without discriminating for actual need, and if discriminating for actual need causes manifest injustice, which it clearly does, then the only logical solution is to abandon health insurance and try the solution that has worked for every other first world nation.