The game of Default Chicken ends, for now.

[azulmagia]

With only 24 hours to go, here's the latest "deal" that's being floated about:

Quote:

If the Senate’s deal currently goes through, Democrats will have made concessions and gained nothing. Bump lays out the terms of the roughly five-point agreement:

1. Reopen the government at 2013 funding levels until the middle of January.
2. Suspend the debt ceiling until early February.
3. Add an income verification system to the Obamacare healthcare exchanges.
4. Postpone an Obamacare-related fee for one year.
5. Mandate a conference between the House and Senate to work out a longer-term deal by the middle of December.

Number one is a euphemism for “at sequestration levels of funding,” a major defeat for everyone involved in a time when the country needs far more aggregate spending–not less.

Number two is a promise to do this hostage negotiating yet again, and in a mid-term election year.

Number three is somewhat ironic, since it proposes to blow-up bureaucracy which Republicans would be howling about in any other circumstance, and doesn’t past the cost-benefit analysis either way.

Number four is meant to be symbolic–a “fig leaf” with which the Republicans can cover their retreat and save some face. The symbolism goes two ways though, and by conceding this now, Democrats will have to offer something at least just as symbolic when February comes.

Number five is pure optics. Congress will do what it can to hash out a budget agreement whether or not its members sign a piece of paper promising to do so. This should put number four in even sharper focus though: start giving the GOP cards now, and the Dems will have less of them to play once the actual good-faith negotiations supposedly start in earnest.

The best thing the Democrats could do right now world be to fuel the anxiety of Tea Party insurgents who are already beginning to balk at what they perceive as a “compromise.” Congratulate the Republican leadership for finally coming to the table, and being so willing to see eye to eye on things. Start pivoting to the media and insinuating that Boehner et al have seen the wisdom in mutual compromise, and demonstrated their courage and patriotism by putting differences aside and working to re-open the government for the good of all. Boehner will either still find enough support from his caucus, or have to ultimately abandon the deal and put a clean CR to a vote in last moments available to him.

(link)

To be honest, I don't think brakes can be applied to the process at this point, it's too far gone. Default is going to occur.

[N3bu]

azulmagia

With only 24 hours to go, here's the latest "deal" that's being floated about:

Quote:

If the Senate’s deal currently goes through, Democrats will have made concessions and gained nothing. Bump lays out the terms of the roughly five-point agreement:

1. Reopen the government at 2013 funding levels until the middle of January.
2. Suspend the debt ceiling until early February.
3. Add an income verification system to the Obamacare healthcare exchanges.
4. Postpone an Obamacare-related fee for one year.
5. Mandate a conference between the House and Senate to work out a longer-term deal by the middle of December.

Number one is a euphemism for “at sequestration levels of funding,” a major defeat for everyone involved in a time when the country needs far more aggregate spending–not less.

Number two is a promise to do this hostage negotiating yet again, and in a mid-term election year.

Number three is somewhat ironic, since it proposes to blow-up bureaucracy which Republicans would be howling about in any other circumstance, and doesn’t past the cost-benefit analysis either way.

Number four is meant to be symbolic–a “fig leaf” with which the Republicans can cover their retreat and save some face. The symbolism goes two ways though, and by conceding this now, Democrats will have to offer something at least just as symbolic when February comes.

Number five is pure optics. Congress will do what it can to hash out a budget agreement whether or not its members sign a piece of paper promising to do so. This should put number four in even sharper focus though: start giving the GOP cards now, and the Dems will have less of them to play once the actual good-faith negotiations supposedly start in earnest.

The best thing the Democrats could do right now world be to fuel the anxiety of Tea Party insurgents who are already beginning to balk at what they perceive as a “compromise.” Congratulate the Republican leadership for finally coming to the table, and being so willing to see eye to eye on things. Start pivoting to the media and insinuating that Boehner et al have seen the wisdom in mutual compromise, and demonstrated their courage and patriotism by putting differences aside and working to re-open the government for the good of all. Boehner will either still find enough support from his caucus, or have to ultimately abandon the deal and put a clean CR to a vote in last moments available to him.

(link)

To be honest, I don't think brakes can be applied to the process at this point, it's too far gone. Default is going to occur.

What the Democrats could do is guarantee Boenher's job. Make him literally not give a ******** if the Tea Party backs him or not. You'll probably get a straight vote then.

[God Emperor Baldur]

azulmagia

With only 24 hours to go, here's the latest "deal" that's being floated about:

Quote:

If the Senate’s deal currently goes through, Democrats will have made concessions and gained nothing. Bump lays out the terms of the roughly five-point agreement:

1. Reopen the government at 2013 funding levels until the middle of January.
2. Suspend the debt ceiling until early February.
3. Add an income verification system to the Obamacare healthcare exchanges.
4. Postpone an Obamacare-related fee for one year.
5. Mandate a conference between the House and Senate to work out a longer-term deal by the middle of December.

Number one is a euphemism for “at sequestration levels of funding,” a major defeat for everyone involved in a time when the country needs far more aggregate spending–not less.

Number two is a promise to do this hostage negotiating yet again, and in a mid-term election year.

Number three is somewhat ironic, since it proposes to blow-up bureaucracy which Republicans would be howling about in any other circumstance, and doesn’t past the cost-benefit analysis either way.

Number four is meant to be symbolic–a “fig leaf” with which the Republicans can cover their retreat and save some face. The symbolism goes two ways though, and by conceding this now, Democrats will have to offer something at least just as symbolic when February comes.

Number five is pure optics. Congress will do what it can to hash out a budget agreement whether or not its members sign a piece of paper promising to do so. This should put number four in even sharper focus though: start giving the GOP cards now, and the Dems will have less of them to play once the actual good-faith negotiations supposedly start in earnest.

The best thing the Democrats could do right now world be to fuel the anxiety of Tea Party insurgents who are already beginning to balk at what they perceive as a “compromise.” Congratulate the Republican leadership for finally coming to the table, and being so willing to see eye to eye on things. Start pivoting to the media and insinuating that Boehner et al have seen the wisdom in mutual compromise, and demonstrated their courage and patriotism by putting differences aside and working to re-open the government for the good of all. Boehner will either still find enough support from his caucus, or have to ultimately abandon the deal and put a clean CR to a vote in last moments available to him.

(link)

To be honest, I don't think brakes can be applied to the process at this point, it's too far gone. Default is going to occur.

Thinking that a default occurring is optimism. This could continue until the next election.

[God Emperor Baldur]

N3bu

azulmagia

With only 24 hours to go, here's the latest "deal" that's being floated about:

Quote:

If the Senate’s deal currently goes through, Democrats will have made concessions and gained nothing. Bump lays out the terms of the roughly five-point agreement:

1. Reopen the government at 2013 funding levels until the middle of January.
2. Suspend the debt ceiling until early February.
3. Add an income verification system to the Obamacare healthcare exchanges.
4. Postpone an Obamacare-related fee for one year.
5. Mandate a conference between the House and Senate to work out a longer-term deal by the middle of December.

Number one is a euphemism for “at sequestration levels of funding,” a major defeat for everyone involved in a time when the country needs far more aggregate spending–not less.

Number two is a promise to do this hostage negotiating yet again, and in a mid-term election year.

Number three is somewhat ironic, since it proposes to blow-up bureaucracy which Republicans would be howling about in any other circumstance, and doesn’t past the cost-benefit analysis either way.

Number four is meant to be symbolic–a “fig leaf” with which the Republicans can cover their retreat and save some face. The symbolism goes two ways though, and by conceding this now, Democrats will have to offer something at least just as symbolic when February comes.

Number five is pure optics. Congress will do what it can to hash out a budget agreement whether or not its members sign a piece of paper promising to do so. This should put number four in even sharper focus though: start giving the GOP cards now, and the Dems will have less of them to play once the actual good-faith negotiations supposedly start in earnest.

The best thing the Democrats could do right now world be to fuel the anxiety of Tea Party insurgents who are already beginning to balk at what they perceive as a “compromise.” Congratulate the Republican leadership for finally coming to the table, and being so willing to see eye to eye on things. Start pivoting to the media and insinuating that Boehner et al have seen the wisdom in mutual compromise, and demonstrated their courage and patriotism by putting differences aside and working to re-open the government for the good of all. Boehner will either still find enough support from his caucus, or have to ultimately abandon the deal and put a clean CR to a vote in last moments available to him.

(link)

To be honest, I don't think brakes can be applied to the process at this point, it's too far gone. Default is going to occur.

What the Democrats could do is guarantee Boenher's job. Make him literally not give a ******** if the Tea Party backs him or not. You'll probably get a straight vote then.

Honestly he's the only one whose pointing a gun at the world's head.

[DarkCloudInc]

God Emperor Baldur

N3bu

azulmagia

With only 24 hours to go, here's the latest "deal" that's being floated about:

Quote:

If the Senate’s deal currently goes through, Democrats will have made concessions and gained nothing. Bump lays out the terms of the roughly five-point agreement:

1. Reopen the government at 2013 funding levels until the middle of January.
2. Suspend the debt ceiling until early February.
3. Add an income verification system to the Obamacare healthcare exchanges.
4. Postpone an Obamacare-related fee for one year.
5. Mandate a conference between the House and Senate to work out a longer-term deal by the middle of December.

Number one is a euphemism for “at sequestration levels of funding,” a major defeat for everyone involved in a time when the country needs far more aggregate spending–not less.

Number two is a promise to do this hostage negotiating yet again, and in a mid-term election year.

Number three is somewhat ironic, since it proposes to blow-up bureaucracy which Republicans would be howling about in any other circumstance, and doesn’t past the cost-benefit analysis either way.

Number four is meant to be symbolic–a “fig leaf” with which the Republicans can cover their retreat and save some face. The symbolism goes two ways though, and by conceding this now, Democrats will have to offer something at least just as symbolic when February comes.

Number five is pure optics. Congress will do what it can to hash out a budget agreement whether or not its members sign a piece of paper promising to do so. This should put number four in even sharper focus though: start giving the GOP cards now, and the Dems will have less of them to play once the actual good-faith negotiations supposedly start in earnest.

The best thing the Democrats could do right now world be to fuel the anxiety of Tea Party insurgents who are already beginning to balk at what they perceive as a “compromise.” Congratulate the Republican leadership for finally coming to the table, and being so willing to see eye to eye on things. Start pivoting to the media and insinuating that Boehner et al have seen the wisdom in mutual compromise, and demonstrated their courage and patriotism by putting differences aside and working to re-open the government for the good of all. Boehner will either still find enough support from his caucus, or have to ultimately abandon the deal and put a clean CR to a vote in last moments available to him.

(link)

To be honest, I don't think brakes can be applied to the process at this point, it's too far gone. Default is going to occur.

What the Democrats could do is guarantee Boenher's job. Make him literally not give a ******** if the Tea Party backs him or not. You'll probably get a straight vote then.

Honestly he's the only one whose pointing a gun at the world's head.

I thought it was Ted Cruz who has a gun to Boenher's head who has a gun to the world's head. Boenher's in a tough position, do what's right for the economy or do what's right to save his job. It looks to be that he's doing what' right to save his job even in the wake of the damage he's been causing.

[God Emperor Baldur]

N3bu

azulmagia

With only 24 hours to go, here's the latest "deal" that's being floated about:

Quote:

If the Senate’s deal currently goes through, Democrats will have made concessions and gained nothing. Bump lays out the terms of the roughly five-point agreement:

1. Reopen the government at 2013 funding levels until the middle of January.
2. Suspend the debt ceiling until early February.
3. Add an income verification system to the Obamacare healthcare exchanges.
4. Postpone an Obamacare-related fee for one year.
5. Mandate a conference between the House and Senate to work out a longer-term deal by the middle of December.

Number one is a euphemism for “at sequestration levels of funding,” a major defeat for everyone involved in a time when the country needs far more aggregate spending–not less.

Number two is a promise to do this hostage negotiating yet again, and in a mid-term election year.

Number three is somewhat ironic, since it proposes to blow-up bureaucracy which Republicans would be howling about in any other circumstance, and doesn’t past the cost-benefit analysis either way.

Number four is meant to be symbolic–a “fig leaf” with which the Republicans can cover their retreat and save some face. The symbolism goes two ways though, and by conceding this now, Democrats will have to offer something at least just as symbolic when February comes.

Number five is pure optics. Congress will do what it can to hash out a budget agreement whether or not its members sign a piece of paper promising to do so. This should put number four in even sharper focus though: start giving the GOP cards now, and the Dems will have less of them to play once the actual good-faith negotiations supposedly start in earnest.

The best thing the Democrats could do right now world be to fuel the anxiety of Tea Party insurgents who are already beginning to balk at what they perceive as a “compromise.” Congratulate the Republican leadership for finally coming to the table, and being so willing to see eye to eye on things. Start pivoting to the media and insinuating that Boehner et al have seen the wisdom in mutual compromise, and demonstrated their courage and patriotism by putting differences aside and working to re-open the government for the good of all. Boehner will either still find enough support from his caucus, or have to ultimately abandon the deal and put a clean CR to a vote in last moments available to him.

(link)

To be honest, I don't think brakes can be applied to the process at this point, it's too far gone. Default is going to occur.

What the Democrats could do is guarantee Boenher's job. Make him literally not give a ******** if the Tea Party backs him or not. You'll probably get a straight vote then.

The odds of Boehner keeping his job are null. Even if he keeps his seat, I doubt the republicans will keep him as speaker.

[azulmagia]

God Emperor Baldur

N3bu

azulmagia

With only 24 hours to go, here's the latest "deal" that's being floated about:

Quote:

If the Senate’s deal currently goes through, Democrats will have made concessions and gained nothing. Bump lays out the terms of the roughly five-point agreement:

1. Reopen the government at 2013 funding levels until the middle of January.
2. Suspend the debt ceiling until early February.
3. Add an income verification system to the Obamacare healthcare exchanges.
4. Postpone an Obamacare-related fee for one year.
5. Mandate a conference between the House and Senate to work out a longer-term deal by the middle of December.

Number one is a euphemism for “at sequestration levels of funding,” a major defeat for everyone involved in a time when the country needs far more aggregate spending–not less.

Number two is a promise to do this hostage negotiating yet again, and in a mid-term election year.

Number three is somewhat ironic, since it proposes to blow-up bureaucracy which Republicans would be howling about in any other circumstance, and doesn’t past the cost-benefit analysis either way.

Number four is meant to be symbolic–a “fig leaf” with which the Republicans can cover their retreat and save some face. The symbolism goes two ways though, and by conceding this now, Democrats will have to offer something at least just as symbolic when February comes.

Number five is pure optics. Congress will do what it can to hash out a budget agreement whether or not its members sign a piece of paper promising to do so. This should put number four in even sharper focus though: start giving the GOP cards now, and the Dems will have less of them to play once the actual good-faith negotiations supposedly start in earnest.

The best thing the Democrats could do right now world be to fuel the anxiety of Tea Party insurgents who are already beginning to balk at what they perceive as a “compromise.” Congratulate the Republican leadership for finally coming to the table, and being so willing to see eye to eye on things. Start pivoting to the media and insinuating that Boehner et al have seen the wisdom in mutual compromise, and demonstrated their courage and patriotism by putting differences aside and working to re-open the government for the good of all. Boehner will either still find enough support from his caucus, or have to ultimately abandon the deal and put a clean CR to a vote in last moments available to him.

(link)

To be honest, I don't think brakes can be applied to the process at this point, it's too far gone. Default is going to occur.

What the Democrats could do is guarantee Boenher's job. Make him literally not give a ******** if the Tea Party backs him or not. You'll probably get a straight vote then.

The odds of Boehner keeping his job are null. Even if he keeps his seat, I doubt the republicans will keep him as speaker.

He ain't goin' nowhere.

[God Emperor Baldur]

azulmagia

God Emperor Baldur

N3bu

azulmagia

With only 24 hours to go, here's the latest "deal" that's being floated about:

Quote:

If the Senate’s deal currently goes through, Democrats will have made concessions and gained nothing. Bump lays out the terms of the roughly five-point agreement:

1. Reopen the government at 2013 funding levels until the middle of January.
2. Suspend the debt ceiling until early February.
3. Add an income verification system to the Obamacare healthcare exchanges.
4. Postpone an Obamacare-related fee for one year.
5. Mandate a conference between the House and Senate to work out a longer-term deal by the middle of December.

Number one is a euphemism for “at sequestration levels of funding,” a major defeat for everyone involved in a time when the country needs far more aggregate spending–not less.

Number two is a promise to do this hostage negotiating yet again, and in a mid-term election year.

Number three is somewhat ironic, since it proposes to blow-up bureaucracy which Republicans would be howling about in any other circumstance, and doesn’t past the cost-benefit analysis either way.

Number four is meant to be symbolic–a “fig leaf” with which the Republicans can cover their retreat and save some face. The symbolism goes two ways though, and by conceding this now, Democrats will have to offer something at least just as symbolic when February comes.

Number five is pure optics. Congress will do what it can to hash out a budget agreement whether or not its members sign a piece of paper promising to do so. This should put number four in even sharper focus though: start giving the GOP cards now, and the Dems will have less of them to play once the actual good-faith negotiations supposedly start in earnest.

The best thing the Democrats could do right now world be to fuel the anxiety of Tea Party insurgents who are already beginning to balk at what they perceive as a “compromise.” Congratulate the Republican leadership for finally coming to the table, and being so willing to see eye to eye on things. Start pivoting to the media and insinuating that Boehner et al have seen the wisdom in mutual compromise, and demonstrated their courage and patriotism by putting differences aside and working to re-open the government for the good of all. Boehner will either still find enough support from his caucus, or have to ultimately abandon the deal and put a clean CR to a vote in last moments available to him.

(link)

To be honest, I don't think brakes can be applied to the process at this point, it's too far gone. Default is going to occur.

What the Democrats could do is guarantee Boenher's job. Make him literally not give a ******** if the Tea Party backs him or not. You'll probably get a straight vote then.

The odds of Boehner keeping his job are null. Even if he keeps his seat, I doubt the republicans will keep him as speaker.

He ain't goin' nowhere.

As I said, he's going to lose his job as speaker. The odds of the GOP retaining their majority seems slimmer every day. Even the rich don't support them anymore.

[Sohisohi]

And now it ends, until it begins yet again.

[Wendigo]

Yeeeees, a small and temporary victory over the endless wave of raw stupid that is slowly eating American politics.

[Omnileech]

azulmagia

With only 24 hours to go, here's the latest "deal" that's being floated about:

Quote:

If the Senate’s deal currently goes through, Democrats will have made concessions and gained nothing. Bump lays out the terms of the roughly five-point agreement:

1. Reopen the government at 2013 funding levels until the middle of January.
2. Suspend the debt ceiling until early February.
3. Add an income verification system to the Obamacare healthcare exchanges.
4. Postpone an Obamacare-related fee for one year.
5. Mandate a conference between the House and Senate to work out a longer-term deal by the middle of December.

Number one is a euphemism for “at sequestration levels of funding,” a major defeat for everyone involved in a time when the country needs far more aggregate spending–not less.

Number two is a promise to do this hostage negotiating yet again, and in a mid-term election year.

Number three is somewhat ironic, since it proposes to blow-up bureaucracy which Republicans would be howling about in any other circumstance, and doesn’t past the cost-benefit analysis either way.

Number four is meant to be symbolic–a “fig leaf” with which the Republicans can cover their retreat and save some face. The symbolism goes two ways though, and by conceding this now, Democrats will have to offer something at least just as symbolic when February comes.

Number five is pure optics. Congress will do what it can to hash out a budget agreement whether or not its members sign a piece of paper promising to do so. This should put number four in even sharper focus though: start giving the GOP cards now, and the Dems will have less of them to play once the actual good-faith negotiations supposedly start in earnest.

The best thing the Democrats could do right now world be to fuel the anxiety of Tea Party insurgents who are already beginning to balk at what they perceive as a “compromise.” Congratulate the Republican leadership for finally coming to the table, and being so willing to see eye to eye on things. Start pivoting to the media and insinuating that Boehner et al have seen the wisdom in mutual compromise, and demonstrated their courage and patriotism by putting differences aside and working to re-open the government for the good of all. Boehner will either still find enough support from his caucus, or have to ultimately abandon the deal and put a clean CR to a vote in last moments available to him.

(link)

To be honest, I don't think brakes can be applied to the process at this point, it's too far gone. Default is going to occur.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

[Usaki Tsukino]

the U.S will never default because that occurred already in 1971 when the cost of the Vietnam war forced them to left the gold standard..., only time will tell if there will be yet another chicken show in February, or if the rest of the world still will be stupid enough to continue trade their resources in exchange for the U.S' newly printed money.

[Old Blue Collar Joe]

DarkCloudInc

God Emperor Baldur

N3bu

azulmagia

With only 24 hours to go, here's the latest "deal" that's being floated about:

Quote:

If the Senate’s deal currently goes through, Democrats will have made concessions and gained nothing. Bump lays out the terms of the roughly five-point agreement:

1. Reopen the government at 2013 funding levels until the middle of January.
2. Suspend the debt ceiling until early February.
3. Add an income verification system to the Obamacare healthcare exchanges.
4. Postpone an Obamacare-related fee for one year.
5. Mandate a conference between the House and Senate to work out a longer-term deal by the middle of December.

Number one is a euphemism for “at sequestration levels of funding,” a major defeat for everyone involved in a time when the country needs far more aggregate spending–not less.

Number two is a promise to do this hostage negotiating yet again, and in a mid-term election year.

Number three is somewhat ironic, since it proposes to blow-up bureaucracy which Republicans would be howling about in any other circumstance, and doesn’t past the cost-benefit analysis either way.

Number four is meant to be symbolic–a “fig leaf” with which the Republicans can cover their retreat and save some face. The symbolism goes two ways though, and by conceding this now, Democrats will have to offer something at least just as symbolic when February comes.

Number five is pure optics. Congress will do what it can to hash out a budget agreement whether or not its members sign a piece of paper promising to do so. This should put number four in even sharper focus though: start giving the GOP cards now, and the Dems will have less of them to play once the actual good-faith negotiations supposedly start in earnest.

The best thing the Democrats could do right now world be to fuel the anxiety of Tea Party insurgents who are already beginning to balk at what they perceive as a “compromise.” Congratulate the Republican leadership for finally coming to the table, and being so willing to see eye to eye on things. Start pivoting to the media and insinuating that Boehner et al have seen the wisdom in mutual compromise, and demonstrated their courage and patriotism by putting differences aside and working to re-open the government for the good of all. Boehner will either still find enough support from his caucus, or have to ultimately abandon the deal and put a clean CR to a vote in last moments available to him.

(link)

To be honest, I don't think brakes can be applied to the process at this point, it's too far gone. Default is going to occur.

What the Democrats could do is guarantee Boenher's job. Make him literally not give a ******** if the Tea Party backs him or not. You'll probably get a straight vote then.

Honestly he's the only one whose pointing a gun at the world's head.

I thought it was Ted Cruz who has a gun to Boenher's head who has a gun to the world's head. Boenher's in a tough position, do what's right for the economy or do what's right to save his job. It looks to be that he's doing what' right to save his job even in the wake of the damage he's been causing.

How the ******** is ratcheting up MORE debt than we already have a good thing?

[N3bu]

Old Blue Collar Joe

DarkCloudInc

God Emperor Baldur

N3bu

azulmagia

With only 24 hours to go, here's the latest "deal" that's being floated about:

Quote:

If the Senate’s deal currently goes through, Democrats will have made concessions and gained nothing. Bump lays out the terms of the roughly five-point agreement:

1. Reopen the government at 2013 funding levels until the middle of January.
2. Suspend the debt ceiling until early February.
3. Add an income verification system to the Obamacare healthcare exchanges.
4. Postpone an Obamacare-related fee for one year.
5. Mandate a conference between the House and Senate to work out a longer-term deal by the middle of December.

Number one is a euphemism for “at sequestration levels of funding,” a major defeat for everyone involved in a time when the country needs far more aggregate spending–not less.

Number two is a promise to do this hostage negotiating yet again, and in a mid-term election year.

Number three is somewhat ironic, since it proposes to blow-up bureaucracy which Republicans would be howling about in any other circumstance, and doesn’t past the cost-benefit analysis either way.

Number four is meant to be symbolic–a “fig leaf” with which the Republicans can cover their retreat and save some face. The symbolism goes two ways though, and by conceding this now, Democrats will have to offer something at least just as symbolic when February comes.

Number five is pure optics. Congress will do what it can to hash out a budget agreement whether or not its members sign a piece of paper promising to do so. This should put number four in even sharper focus though: start giving the GOP cards now, and the Dems will have less of them to play once the actual good-faith negotiations supposedly start in earnest.

The best thing the Democrats could do right now world be to fuel the anxiety of Tea Party insurgents who are already beginning to balk at what they perceive as a “compromise.” Congratulate the Republican leadership for finally coming to the table, and being so willing to see eye to eye on things. Start pivoting to the media and insinuating that Boehner et al have seen the wisdom in mutual compromise, and demonstrated their courage and patriotism by putting differences aside and working to re-open the government for the good of all. Boehner will either still find enough support from his caucus, or have to ultimately abandon the deal and put a clean CR to a vote in last moments available to him.

(link)

To be honest, I don't think brakes can be applied to the process at this point, it's too far gone. Default is going to occur.

What the Democrats could do is guarantee Boenher's job. Make him literally not give a ******** if the Tea Party backs him or not. You'll probably get a straight vote then.

Honestly he's the only one whose pointing a gun at the world's head.

I thought it was Ted Cruz who has a gun to Boenher's head who has a gun to the world's head. Boenher's in a tough position, do what's right for the economy or do what's right to save his job. It looks to be that he's doing what' right to save his job even in the wake of the damage he's been causing.

How the ******** is ratcheting up MORE debt than we already have a good thing?

How is defaulting?

[Old Blue Collar Joe]

N3bu

Old Blue Collar Joe

DarkCloudInc

God Emperor Baldur

N3bu

What the Democrats could do is guarantee Boenher's job. Make him literally not give a ******** if the Tea Party backs him or not. You'll probably get a straight vote then.

Honestly he's the only one whose pointing a gun at the world's head.

I thought it was Ted Cruz who has a gun to Boenher's head who has a gun to the world's head. Boenher's in a tough position, do what's right for the economy or do what's right to save his job. It looks to be that he's doing what' right to save his job even in the wake of the damage he's been causing.

How the ******** is ratcheting up MORE debt than we already have a good thing?

How is defaulting?

That's not an answer, that is dodging the question and passing the buck. Way too much ******** pork from both sides, but damn. We have to draw the line somewhere, and saying 'we'll cut ten million if you let us spend twelve billion more' is too stupid for the short bus.