Study- 90% of black kids on food stamps

[largo round]

does this include subsidized food in public schools?

welfare sucks in america, we should reform it

[Wendigo]

Relevant

[Farksicle]

Decades of Government subsidies and black people still haven't gotten anywhere.


Hm, I wonder why (lol Government).

[Farksicle]

largo round

does this include subsidized food in public schools?

welfare sucks in america, we should reform it

We should get rid of welfare, the minimum wage, environmental controls and other bullshit regulations that make it costly for companies to hire labor so that the unemployment rate will drop substantially and wage wars would naturally rise wages for workers who actually deserve it. Because it's less costly to make a company, small businesses will pop up, and if a worker is being paid an unfair wage, he or she could easily opt for employment from a different company.

Then, privatize education so that the companies work to produce schools that people actually want instead of the 12 year Government internment camps kids have to attend (which, I wouldn't be surprised if special schools popped up dedicated to a specific industry, so kids could be trained for a job they want for as long as necessary). Why are public schools horribly inefficient (lol Government and its silly distortion of price)?


I envision a world with less Government as a paradise. cool

[Wendigo]

Farksicle

Decades of Government subsidies and black people still haven't gotten anywhere.

Actually, high school graduation rates have greatly improved since the '60s and '70s, when they were abysmal, and acquisition of college degrees has been catching up in the last couple decades.

The real problem is that all the government help they've gotten so far has been a day late and a dollar short - inner city poverty is just a leftover from Reconstruction.

[BlueCollarJoe]

Farksicle

largo round

does this include subsidized food in public schools?

welfare sucks in america, we should reform it

We should get rid of welfare, the minimum wage, environmental controls and other bullshit regulations that make it costly for companies to hire labor so that the unemployment rate will drop substantially and wage wars would naturally rise wages for workers who actually deserve it. Because it's less costly to make a company, small businesses will pop up, and if a worker is being paid an unfair wage, he or she could easily opt for employment from a different company.

Then, privatize education so that the companies work to produce schools that people actually want instead of the 12 year Government internment camps kids have to attend (which, I wouldn't be surprised if special schools popped up dedicated to a specific industry, so kids could be trained for a job they want for as long as necessary). Why are public schools horribly inefficient (lol Government and its silly distortion of price)?


I envision a world with less Government as a paradise. cool

Less government is good, but too little, as much as it galls me, is worse still. Environmental concerns? Companies don't give a flying ******** about the environment. I think we're overboard in a lot of it, but at the same time, unfettered reign is absolutely retarded.
Take a look at some third world countries and what is done to their environment. It's cheaper for a company to dump toxins into regional water supplies, and, if not for environmental guidelines and laws, they'd do so happily.
No minimum wage? Supply and demand. You have millions of teenage boys trying to get laid, and for this, they need jobs to take Susie out on dates so they can throw her legs up over her shoulders and have a good time.
Ten million unemployed burger flippers, one million jobs...guess what happens with no price restraints?
Minimum wage isn't there to protect the technical jobs. It's there to protect the under educated and incompetent.
I may not like it, but I also am realistic enough to realize that, without minimum wage, you'd get people taking jobs for $2.00 an hour.

[Amelia Hood]

Segregation really wasn't that long ago in the grand old scheme, so considering that I think your country has made some pretty big steps. Integrations and equalization may take a long time, but I've got to keep confidence that given a constant application of effort racial divides, and the economic inequality that comes in parcel with them, can be overcome.

[Farksicle]

Wendigo

Farksicle

Decades of Government subsidies and black people still haven't gotten anywhere.

Actually, high school graduation rates have greatly improved since the '60s and '70s, when they were abysmal, and acquisition of college degrees has been catching up in the last couple decades.

The real problem is that all the government help they've gotten so far has been a day late and a dollar short - inner city poverty is just a leftover from Reconstruction.

Hm good point.

But who's to say that without Government subsidies, black people wouldn't have improved at least as much as they have now?

Well, plenty I guess.

[Farksicle]

BlueCollarJoe

Farksicle

largo round

does this include subsidized food in public schools?

welfare sucks in america, we should reform it

We should get rid of welfare, the minimum wage, environmental controls and other bullshit regulations that make it costly for companies to hire labor so that the unemployment rate will drop substantially and wage wars would naturally rise wages for workers who actually deserve it. Because it's less costly to make a company, small businesses will pop up, and if a worker is being paid an unfair wage, he or she could easily opt for employment from a different company.

Then, privatize education so that the companies work to produce schools that people actually want instead of the 12 year Government internment camps kids have to attend (which, I wouldn't be surprised if special schools popped up dedicated to a specific industry, so kids could be trained for a job they want for as long as necessary). Why are public schools horribly inefficient (lol Government and its silly distortion of price)?


I envision a world with less Government as a paradise. cool

Less government is good, but too little, as much as it galls me, is worse still. Environmental concerns? Companies don't give a flying ******** about the environment. I think we're overboard in a lot of it, but at the same time, unfettered reign is absolutely retarded.
Take a look at some third world countries and what is done to their environment. It's cheaper for a company to dump toxins into regional water supplies, and, if not for environmental guidelines and laws, they'd do so happily.
No minimum wage? Supply and demand. You have millions of teenage boys trying to get laid, and for this, they need jobs to take Susie out on dates so they can throw her legs up over her shoulders and have a good time.
Ten million unemployed burger flippers, one million jobs...guess what happens with no price restraints?
Minimum wage isn't there to protect the technical jobs. It's there to protect the under educated and incompetent.
I may not like it, but I also am realistic enough to realize that, without minimum wage, you'd get people taking jobs for $2.00 an hour.

Can you think of a meager task (a job) that would warrant a pay of $2.00? I think there could be some, but they currently don't even exist (and so, people don't have those jobs, and aren't employed) because the minimum wage basically says "don't hire workers who only warrant $2.00/hour, only workers who deserve ~$7/hour".

And, if there are wages today that exist above the minimum wage, why wouldn't that be true (if not, more so, because less regulations means less cost to the employer) for a society without a minimum wage?

EDIT: If the people want environmentally safe products, the "greedy" companies will make green products to make more money.
And those third-world countries tend to have oppressive Governments.

[Lord Cameron]

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[Wendigo]

Farksicle

Hm good point.

But who's to say that without Government subsidies, black people wouldn't have improved at least as much as they have now?

Without the government's help, I imagine that the Great Migration would have been replaced by sharecropping in the rural South, since there'd be nothing to remove the restrictive covenants that previously kept minorities from moving into formerly white neighborhoods. Probably whether blacks were being educated or not would be as far from anyone's attention as it was in the 19th century; there'd be no reason for the average person to think about it, as they just plain wouldn't be interacting with anybody who was affected very often.

Though the World Wars would presumably bring up the issue in that alternative universe the same way they did here, possibly disastrously, since the alternate government wouldn't then step in to desegregate housing, schools, hospitals, the army and so forth as it did in the late '40s through the early '70s. Maybe there'd be a revolt, it's hard to say. There were people who wanted one around that time, but most folks just weren't pissed off enough to join it.

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And, if there are wages today that exist above the minimum wage, why wouldn't that be true (if not, more so, because less regulations means less cost to the employer) for a society without a minimum wage?

Because that wasn't the case before we had a minimum wage? Actually, adult unemployment was the rule, because we hadn't thought to regulate child labor yet either, and kids work cheap.

[Sweetpea The Tigress]

Wendigo

Farksicle

Hm good point.

But who's to say that without Government subsidies, black people wouldn't have improved at least as much as they have now?

Without the government's help, I imagine that the Great Migration would have been replaced by sharecropping in the rural South, since there'd be nothing to remove the restrictive covenants that previously kept minorities from moving into formerly white neighborhoods. Probably whether blacks were being educated or not would be as far from anyone's attention as it was in the 19th century; there'd be no reason for the average person to think about it, as they just plain wouldn't be interacting with anybody who was affected very often.

Though the World Wars would presumably bring up the issue in that alternative universe the same way they did here, possibly disastrously, since the alternate government wouldn't then step in to desegregate housing, schools, hospitals, the army and so forth as it did in the late '40s through the early '70s. Maybe there'd be a revolt, it's hard to say. There were people who wanted one around that time, but most folks just weren't pissed off enough to join it.

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And, if there are wages today that exist above the minimum wage, why wouldn't that be true (if not, more so, because less regulations means less cost to the employer) for a society without a minimum wage?

Because that wasn't the case before we had a minimum wage? Actually, adult unemployment was the rule, because we hadn't thought to regulate child labor yet either, and kids work cheap.

The problem i see with Welfare is that it didn't educate people. We (us darkies) need decent educations and job training, just like everyone else who has pulled themselves out of poverty. Some old bullshit about how we don't deserve decent schools because we don't usually pay high property and other taxes is what's really screwing us.With decent educations, more people will be able to havebootstraps to pull themselves up by. Even with all the Social Obstacle and the Institutional racism we face (as evinced by Farksicle's sneering attitude. I wonder, does he think there's something genetically wrong with us, or does he attribute it to culture...).

[ExodusNirvana]

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Hm good point.

But who's to say that without Government subsidies, black people wouldn't have improved at least as much as they have now?

Who's to say that poor people wouldn't benefit under a plutocracy? rofl In America, poverty is closely intertwined with race so much so that you can generally make class observations based on the ethnic geography. To address your comment about government subsidies, how is it possible to measure whether or not many of these subsidies would have worked if much of the social spending of the 60s and 70s weren't crippled and left ineffectual by Reagan and other conservative administrations? It's like no one wanted to give social spending a chance because of the racialized stigma that social spending carries in this country . We're the richest country yet our social net is anemic compared to other developed nations.

[Wendigo]

Sweetpea The Tigress

The problem i see with Welfare is that it didn't educate people. We (us darkies) need decent educations and job training, just like everyone else who has pulled themselves out of poverty.

This is true; it's important in the long term for people to learn marketable skills and accumulate recognized credentials. I think that programs like Welfare focus on the quick fix because a long-term solution is also a long-term commitment, and that kind of investment is just harder to sell to people.

Probably just wouldn't be as many poor people if there were a fast track into trade school or college to avail oneself of.

[Farksicle]

Sweetpea The Tigress

Even with all the Social Obstacle and the Institutional racism we face (as evinced by Farksicle's sneering attitude. I wonder, does he think there's something genetically wrong with us, or does he attribute it to culture...).

I really have no idea how my post reminded you of racism, but I'll safely assume you're just an idiot.