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To be fair to this ex-soldier, taxpayer, and member of our fine Gunshine State community, the Florida state government really is out to get you.
Well, Alabama wasn't out to get him, near as is apparent, until he killed a man and imprisoned a child in a hole in his yard at gunpoint for several days.

Which is about when most governments get interested in what the hell you're up to.

The Feds know everything that goes on near any internet- or cellular-enabled device. They likely chose not to react here.
No, they don't. You're talking about monitoring all the traffic on 327 million wireless devices. Even if you don't have to worry about breaking encryption, getting the man hours together to monitor that much information in real time would be a fearsome task. The government you describe would have to be devoted to almost nothing else, and we know that ours is not.

There's a giant NSA data center in Utah for just that purpose. Leave it to America to do the impossible.

indeed phones are inherently not secure at all, at-least all except svoip enabled phones. and of these only a subset are secure, you can't actually trust your ISP either... ontop of that yes these also exist somewhere in europe, probably several places in asia. maybe africa, isn't so bad.

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Why do you believe that (nearly) everyone who believes that the government should be removed from power is ALSO violently insane and prone to mass murder of random civilians? That isn't a reasonable idea at all. In fact, it sounds like the response of someone who, for whatever reason, refuses to consider the idea of either civil or violent revolution.
No such thing as civil revolution.

Here's the thing about our friend, violent revolution. He kills a whole lot of people. More, really, after victory than before. Take it as a given that the bad guys are so irredeemably bad that they need to be killed. Okay. Now we've got them at our mercy, back to the wall, hands tied. What do you do? Orderly trials where the evidence against them is laid out and a fitting and proportional punishment handed down, or shoot them in the head?

If we're taking at a given that these guys don't deserve to live, why do you want to drag them through some torturous trial for the benefit of the audience? It's simpler and more honorable to shoot them. But, look them in the eyes.
— I’d have to agree, also no matter how fair you make such a trial you are charging them of a crime that wasn't even criminal at the time, and using their own words and actions against them.
In otherwords I have to agree it's actually quite presumptuos, to think that's an improvement and as for wanting to have genuinely fair trials we would not recognize them as fair trials untill we recognize the new government as legitimate generally speaking.
Yep.
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Koalalion
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The Feds know everything that goes on near any internet- or cellular-enabled device. They likely chose not to react here.
No, they don't. You're talking about monitoring all the traffic on 327 million wireless devices. Even if you don't have to worry about breaking encryption, getting the man hours together to monitor that much information in real time would be a fearsome task. The government you describe would have to be devoted to almost nothing else, and we know that ours is not.

There's a giant NSA data center in Utah for just that purpose. Leave it to America to do the impossible.

indeed phones are inherently not secure at all, at-least all except svoip enabled phones. and of these only a subset are secure, you can't actually trust your ISP either... ontop of that yes these also exist somewhere in europe, probably several places in asia. maybe africa, isn't so bad.

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/ What secure communications looks like today. /

not secure. Not secure in-fact ISP’s are required to have a backdoor, which is effectively unnecessary for the purposes they claim it's being used for.
phones are notoriously insecure. all else considering phones aren't remotely secure and here the phone contracts pretty much void any privacy regarding the phone company itself that you may have. these are pretty homogenous, you don't have choice here.
I personally find it extremely despicable.
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Why do you believe that (nearly) everyone who believes that the government should be removed from power is ALSO violently insane and prone to mass murder of random civilians? That isn't a reasonable idea at all. In fact, it sounds like the response of someone who, for whatever reason, refuses to consider the idea of either civil or violent revolution.
No such thing as civil revolution.

Here's the thing about our friend, violent revolution. He kills a whole lot of people. More, really, after victory than before. Take it as a given that the bad guys are so irredeemably bad that they need to be killed. Okay. Now we've got them at our mercy, back to the wall, hands tied. What do you do? Orderly trials where the evidence against them is laid out and a fitting and proportional punishment handed down, or shoot them in the head?

If we're taking at a given that these guys don't deserve to live, why do you want to drag them through some torturous trial for the benefit of the audience? It's simpler and more honorable to shoot them. But, look them in the eyes.

— I’d have to agree, also no matter how fair you make such a trial you are charging them of a crime that wasn't even criminal at the time, and using their own words and actions against them.
In otherwords I have to agree it's actually quite presumptuos, to think that's an improvement and as for wanting to have genuinely fair trials we would not recognize them as fair trials untill we recognize the new government as legitimate generally speaking.

Yep.

We agree on that.
Koalalion
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No, they don't. You're talking about monitoring all the traffic on 327 million wireless devices. Even if you don't have to worry about breaking encryption, getting the man hours together to monitor that much information in real time would be a fearsome task. The government you describe would have to be devoted to almost nothing else, and we know that ours is not.

There's a giant NSA data center in Utah for just that purpose. Leave it to America to do the impossible.

indeed phones are inherently not secure at all, at-least all except svoip enabled phones. and of these only a subset are secure, you can't actually trust your ISP either... ontop of that yes these also exist somewhere in europe, probably several places in asia. maybe africa, isn't so bad.

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/ What secure communications looks like today. /

not secure. Not secure in-fact ISP’s are required to have a backdoor, which is effectively unnecessary for the purposes they claim it's being used for.
phones are notoriously insecure. all else considering phones aren't remotely secure and here the phone contracts pretty much void any privacy regarding the phone company itself that you may have.

*the woods, where there are no microphones
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No, they don't. You're talking about monitoring all the traffic on 327 million wireless devices. Even if you don't have to worry about breaking encryption, getting the man hours together to monitor that much information in real time would be a fearsome task. The government you describe would have to be devoted to almost nothing else, and we know that ours is not.

There's a giant NSA data center in Utah for just that purpose. Leave it to America to do the impossible.

indeed phones are inherently not secure at all, at-least all except svoip enabled phones. and of these only a subset are secure, you can't actually trust your ISP either... ontop of that yes these also exist somewhere in europe, probably several places in asia. maybe africa, isn't so bad.

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/ What secure communications looks like today. /

not secure. Not secure in-fact ISP’s are required to have a backdoor, which is effectively unnecessary for the purposes they claim it's being used for.
phones are notoriously insecure. all else considering phones aren't remotely secure and here the phone contracts pretty much void any privacy regarding the phone company itself that you may have.

*the woods, where there are no microphones

that is secure!,
their is another thing you could do...
get yourself a series of custom dice, have each commonword, and each pair of letters be 1 side of said dice, then repeat throwing the dice over again, actually one could use any random number generator for this, you have a very secure form of communication, via less secure channels because you can use that as a form of preagreed keys, using an algorithm you could also use the text itself as input for more key.
one idea would be to store a long hash of the messages, and using that to generate a new key of the old key.
over phone it's a bit harder... but one could assign names to each of the symbols. strictly speaking using different symbols isn't necisary but it does make it more fun in my opinion.
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There's a giant NSA data center in Utah for just that purpose. Leave it to America to do the impossible.
For cracking encryption and running surveillance, maybe. Let us be clear on this - listening in on every phone call in real time is, in fact, literally an impossibility. It could not be done. No matter how complex the computer network you feed the raw data to, somebody still has to listen to the output and analyze it, or collecting the data is without value. Real time monitoring can't be done quicker by a computer, it has to be done at the speed of human thought.

And what you describe, with each phone constantly transmitting the white noise of its surroundings? Trying to wade through that to get at the nuggets of real solid intelligence would be a nightmare. Surveillance absolutely must be targeted to particular people and particular activities for simple logistical reasons.
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There's a giant NSA data center in Utah for just that purpose. Leave it to America to do the impossible.
For cracking encryption and running surveillance, maybe. Let us be clear on this - listening in on every phone call in real time is, in fact, literally an impossibility. It could not be done. No matter how complex the computer network you feed the raw data to, somebody still has to listen to the output and analyze it, or collecting the data is without value. Real time monitoring can't be done quicker by a computer, it has to be done at the speed of human thought.

And what you describe, with each phone constantly transmitting the white noise of its surroundings? Trying to wade through that to get at the nuggets of real solid intelligence would be a nightmare. Surveillance absolutely must be targeted to particular people and particular activities for simple logistical reasons.

You can use algorithims after collect ALL the raw data to isolate key words and phrases there by attempting to maximise the efficiency of the monitoring.

Just don't pretend you're seriously going to bomb a government building or mention any government project names and you should be fine.
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There's a giant NSA data center in Utah for just that purpose. Leave it to America to do the impossible.
For cracking encryption and running surveillance, maybe. Let us be clear on this - listening in on every phone call in real time is, in fact, literally an impossibility. It could not be done. No matter how complex the computer network you feed the raw data to, somebody still has to listen to the output and analyze it, or collecting the data is without value. Real time monitoring can't be done quicker by a computer, it has to be done at the speed of human thought.

And what you describe, with each phone constantly transmitting the white noise of its surroundings? Trying to wade through that to get at the nuggets of real solid intelligence would be a nightmare. Surveillance absolutely must be targeted to particular people and particular activities for simple logistical reasons.
you're right, the NSA doesn't track any of that crap.

But there are 10-15 companies that DO listen to every internet phone, DO read every email, and DO track all of your online movement.

and they are more than happy to sell their services to the government for dirt cheap

can the info they provide be used in court? No
can the info they provide be used to profile the s**t out of you? Yes
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you're right, the NSA doesn't track any of that crap.

But there are 10-15 companies that DO listen to every internet phone, DO read every email, and DO track all of your online movement.
The companies you pay for connectivity sure have access. And they've got reasons to cooperate, if for some reason you become a person of interest. (Since you're maybe a millionth of their subscriber base.)

Most of the guys who are tracking you online just want to sell you things, though. Sell you things, or sell information about you to somebody. Not so much maliciously, as just because people will buy it from them. Creeps me out, those guys who use tracking cookies to target ads to your browsing habits.

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