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Sarah Louise Kerrigan
You force them to compete with each other? It's communism & tyranny and should not be aloud.
Yeah, we should have one company do everything. Like Vanderbilt.
Mei tsuki7
While logic cannot be used for all the GOP, since some of them are extremely illogical, the high up GOP is actually logical and understands reasoning. They won't let something happen that will destroy our country because then they will lose everything.


Bullshit. They're letting THE ENTIRE ******** WORLD fry in a fug of carbon dioxide. What is one country in comparison to that? They're perfectly willing - at some level - to destroy the entire game if they can't come out on top.
this is a manifestation of capitalism that the communist cannot perceive. You see, in NYC, prices are artificially high. Rent is approximately 5 times what it should be and realestate is about 5-10 times more expensive than it is worth. If Obamacare slashed prices by 50%, that means the national average will increase by a factor of x2.5-5, or a 150%-400% increase.

This is good news for New Yorkers who are living under Plutocracy, but terrible for the bulk of the rest of the country. I would surmise the fees in major cities like Chicago and Los Angeles will also go down. Competition is what's happening. It is snake oil salesmen thieves vs. the Government. The government is a lot like a Robot. It establishes "normal" based on an equation, and even if that equation is faulty, it can still be more forgiving that the blatant limitless exploitation of thieves.

For example, if the government tax is 80%, a person used to paying 20% or no tax will think that's insane. But if a person is used to paying a Mafia practically everything, and in essence, 100%, then the 80% tax looks like they are going from less than 1% to 20% returns, which is like a 1900% improvement. Hurrah for big government...

You know, in International Relations, my professor used to say the government and the megacorporations are both evil and corrupt, but the government is slightly less bad because they are supposed to be at least partially interested in the people.

Lesser of Two Evils.

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Sarah Louise Kerrigan
You force them to compete with each other? It's communism & tyranny and should not be aloud.

Why are there only two? Capitalism and Communism. That's black & white right there. In a Capitalist economy, one random jackass hoards everything while you get nothing. Yeah, that one seems wonderful. rolleyes
ITT: Liberals don't understand the difference between "gubmint" set rates, and actual, competitive rates.

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Mei tsuki7
While logic cannot be used for all the GOP, since some of them are extremely illogical, the high up GOP is actually logical and understands reasoning. They won't let something happen that will destroy our country because then they will lose everything.


Bullshit. They're letting THE ENTIRE ******** WORLD fry in a fug of carbon dioxide. What is one country in comparison to that? They're perfectly willing - at some level - to destroy the entire game if they can't come out on top.


That is different in my mind because of the fact that they don't believe in anthropomorphic climate change. They're also not scientists. I highly doubt that many politicians understand climate change anyway. They just parrot what their, mostly ignorant, constituents say.

Though there are also the ones who WANT the world to be destroyed. Some actually try and get a full out war in the Middle East because they believe it will herald the second coming of Jesus. We really should have some kind of test for politicians so we can weed out the crazies.
Michael Noire
this is a manifestation of capitalism that the communist cannot perceive. You see, in NYC, prices are artificially high. Rent is approximately 5 times what it should be and realestate is about 5-10 times more expensive than it is worth. If Obamacare slashed prices by 50%, that means the national average will increase by a factor of x2.5-5, or a 150%-400% increase.

This is good news for New Yorkers who are living under Plutocracy, but terrible for the bulk of the rest of the country. I would surmise the fees in major cities like Chicago and Los Angeles will also go down. Competition is what's happening. It is snake oil salesmen thieves vs. the Government. The government is a lot like a Robot. It establishes "normal" based on an equation, and even if that equation is faulty, it can still be more forgiving that the blatant limitless exploitation of thieves.

For example, if the government tax is 80%, a person used to paying 20% or no tax will think that's insane. But if a person is used to paying a Mafia practically everything, and in essence, 100%, then the 80% tax looks like they are going from less than 1% to 20% returns, which is like a 1900% improvement. Hurrah for big government...

You know, in International Relations, my professor used to say the government and the megacorporations are both evil and corrupt, but the government is slightly less bad because they are supposed to be at least partially interested in the people.

Lesser of Two Evils.


Yes, what we should all do instead is strive for Thomas Moore's Utopia- where women are subservient to men, atheism is outlawed, people live 2 slaves to a home, there is no electricity or running water, and taverns are illegal, as are all private meeting places in general.

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Slavery is a feature of Utopian life and it is reported that every household has two slaves. The slaves are either from other countries or are the Utopian criminals. These criminals are weighed down with chains made out of gold. The gold is part of the community wealth of the country, and fettering criminals with it or using it for shameful things like chamber pots gives the citizens a healthy dislike of it. It also makes it difficult to steal as it is in plain view. The wealth, though, is of little importance and is only good for buying commodities from foreign nations or bribing these nations to fight each other. Slaves are periodically released for good behaviour. Jewels are worn by children, who finally give them up as they mature.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia_(book)

This is the radical ideal that the extremists and militant revolutionaries are asking us to risk all that we have built for- a society that makes North Korea look somewhat sane and progressive.

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premarital sex punished by a lifetime of enforced celibacy and adultery being punished by enslavement.


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Wives are subject to their husbands and husbands are subject to their wives although women are restricted to conducting household tasks for the most part. Only few widowed women become priests. While all are trained in military arts, women confess their sins to their husbands once a month. Gambling, hunting, makeup and astrology are all discouraged in Utopia. The role allocated to women in Utopia might, however, have been seen as being more liberal from a contemporary point of view.

Utopians do not like to engage in war. If they feel countries friendly to them have been wronged, they will send military aid. However they try to capture, rather than kill, enemies. They are upset if they achieve victory through bloodshed. The main purpose of war is to achieve that which if they had achieved already they would not have gone to war.

Privacy is not regarded as freedom in Utopia, taverns, ale-houses and places for private gatherings are non-existent for the effect of keeping all men in full view, so that they are obliged to behave well.
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ITT: Liberals don't understand the difference between "gubmint" set rates, and actual, competitive rates.

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Can you explain what you are saying please?

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Mei tsuki7
Turgid Rhetoric
ITT: Liberals don't understand the difference between "gubmint" set rates, and actual, competitive rates.

Stay intelligent, Politics.


Can you explain what you are saying please?
She's saying that since the government didn't directly dictate the prices, they deserve no credit.

That good policy and bad policy is essentially the same, we give birth astride the grave, why even bother getting up in the morning.
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Mei tsuki7
Turgid Rhetoric
ITT: Liberals don't understand the difference between "gubmint" set rates, and actual, competitive rates.

Stay intelligent, Politics.


Can you explain what you are saying please?
She's saying that since the government didn't directly dictate the prices, they deserve no credit.


Well that's false since the only reason those prices are what they are is because of the government.

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Mei tsuki7
Turgid Rhetoric
ITT: Liberals don't understand the difference between "gubmint" set rates, and actual, competitive rates.

Stay intelligent, Politics.


Can you explain what you are saying please?
She's saying that since the government didn't directly dictate the prices, they deserve no credit.


Well that's false since the only reason those prices are what they are is because of the government.

To which she would reply, the only reason they could artificially inflate the pricing previously was government regulation. At which point I would interject and say that's bad policy, to which her solution will be no policy.
Sarah Louise Kerrigan
You force them to compete with each other? It's communism & tyranny and should not be aloud.


Forcing competition is Communism now?

You really enjoy throwing around words you don't understand, don't you?

Competition is the backbone of Capitalism. Allowing monopolies like the healthcare companies are trying to make destroys capitalism by destroying competition.

By forcing them to compete, we preserve capitalism, drive prices down, and provide a better and more equal economy for all involved.

Don't use Communism as a buzzword. It makes you look like an idiot.

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It slashes health care costs while destroying small businesses and lowering insurance standards in most businesses that do continue to keep full time employees.

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Sarah Louise Kerrigan
You force them to compete with each other? It's communism & tyranny and should not be aloud.


Forcing competition is Communism now?

You really enjoy throwing around words you don't understand, don't you?

Competition is the backbone of Capitalism. Allowing monopolies like the healthcare companies are trying to make destroys capitalism by destroying competition.

By forcing them to compete, we preserve capitalism, drive prices down, and provide a better and more equal economy for all involved.

Don't use Communism as a buzzword. It makes you look like an idiot.

Competition is indeed the backbone of capitalism. The healthcare companies are not trying to establish a monopoly. It is interesting that you say that people enjoy throwing words around that they do not understand when you yourself use words that you clearly do not understand. A monopoly is excessive possession of a product or service. The very fact that multiple healthcare companies exist means that a monopoly must not be a universal goal; otherwise, all the companies would attempt to establish themselves as a singular company. Competition can and will come around naturally without the need for it to be forced. Oftentimes, monopolies and trusts are formed through regulations and bailouts that do not allow for those companies that fail on their own to fall; small businesses suffer due to the regulations while big businesses usually can suffer the losses for the long-term success the lack of competition would cause. Regulations like these tend to hinder competition, not help it thrive. I think what she means is not that they are forcing competition but that they are hindering it in the ways I have listed. Yes, trusts may form without regulation, but small businesses can break the mold and introduce lower prices for items that are sold at the trust-stores (as trusts tend to form to get the most profit out of individuals) and requiring the companies involved in the trust to break from the trust in order to gain profit, require the trust to set its accepted pricing lower than that of its competition, or fail. All of that is ignoring the fact that trusts are doomed to fail based solely on the fact of human greed; one business will always get a little naughty and lower their prices slightly to gain more business over the others, which will result in the rest breaking this cycle and competition is restored. This is how I perceive it, anyway.

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Sarah Louise Kerrigan
You force them to compete with each other? It's communism & tyranny and should not be aloud.

Then you do it silently.
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