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Frankly, I the spirit of Stafford Beer, it's easier to dissolve problems than to solve them. Lesser-evilism is a problem because of the two-party/FPTP system? Get a different system then.
As someone who has recently witnessed a measure to actually change a voting system from one that benefits the major parties to one which allows the smallest bit of inconvenience for them (from FPTP to IRV) I am going to suggest that you are incredibly naive if you think that an entrenched system can be so easily changed. Voting systems are boring, mathematical, and far too abstract for the general electorate to see through the bluster.

FUD rules all. It appears whenever the cosy status quo is challenged.
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Frankly, I the spirit of Stafford Beer, it's easier to dissolve problems than to solve them. Lesser-evilism is a problem because of the two-party/FPTP system? Get a different system then.
As someone who has recently witnessed a measure to actually change a voting system from one that benefits the major parties to one which allows the smallest bit of inconvenience for them (from FPTP to IRV) I am going to suggest that you are incredibly naive if you think that an entrenched system can be so easily changed. Voting systems are boring, mathematical, and far too abstract for the general electorate to see through the bluster.

FUD rules all. It appears whenever the cosy status quo is challenged.


Well I would be naive if I thought an entrenched system can be so easily changed.

When I think of the amount of effort it would take to implement sensible reforms - not the kind of stuff the Very Serious People are in favour of, but stuff that could be done within existing constitutional/economic system constraints, I see it assymptotically converging on the effort needed to produce the more radical changes that do not respect those constraints, and which IMO might actually solve problems, whereas the possibilist reforms do not come close to touching systemic, root causes.

In other words, I'm in favour of an outright REVOLUTION against the existing order of things.
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In other words, I'm in favour of an outright REVOLUTION against the existing order of things.
So shoot somebody.
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azulmagia
In other words, I'm in favour of an outright REVOLUTION against the existing order of things.
So shoot somebody.


I've heard of one-man revolutions, but the weapon in question is usually the pen.
Obama said it was just a bump in the road. People killing 2 troops and an ambassador is just a bump in the road. This is just as stupid as Obama calling a guy that turned his gun on troops at ft hood just every day work place violence.
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This is just as stupid as Obama calling a guy that turned his gun on troops at ft hood just every day work place violence.
Interesting, because that isn't stupid. Hassan was, at root, distressed that he could not find a lady friend, particularly not on his own terms. Th' decision to blame that on the US military and consume Islamist ideology was arbitrary on his part.
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This is just as stupid as Obama calling a guy that turned his gun on troops at ft hood just every day work place violence.
Interesting, because that isn't stupid. Hassan was, at root, distressed that he could not find a lady friend, particularly not on his own terms. Th' decision to blame that on the US military and consume Islamist ideology was arbitrary on his part.
Wait? some guy could not find a girl so he killed people over it?
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This is just as stupid as Obama calling a guy that turned his gun on troops at ft hood just every day work place violence.
Interesting, because that isn't stupid. Hassan was, at root, distressed that he could not find a lady friend, particularly not on his own terms. Th' decision to blame that on the US military and consume Islamist ideology was arbitrary on his part.
Wait? some guy could not find a girl so he killed people over it?
What, that's not so different from Timothy Mcveigh, either.

The delusions of grandeur come free, what bugs me is folks take 'em at face value.

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