Minor Raid on Occupy D.C

[Queen Shining Heaven]

This morning at around 6 A.M, the Occupy D.C encampment was raided by U.S Park Police. The reasons are enforcement of a regulation which says that they are not allowed to camp over night. Most of the protesters didn't resist, though four were arrested when they refused to leave the area. The Park Police spokesman said that this was not an eviction, however, another protester said it was simply a less dynamic version of the crackdowns that happened on Wall Street and other camps. They were also made to remove a "tent of dreams" draped over a statue of James B. McPherson

Link:http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/occupy-dc-camp-raided-by-police/2012/02/04/gIQAwDoCpQ_story.html

What are your thoughts?

[Old Blue Collar Joe]

Queen Shining Heaven

This morning at around 6 A.M, the Occupy D.C encampment was raided by U.S Park Police. The reasons are enforcement of a regulation which says that they are not allowed to camp over night. Most of the protesters didn't resist, though four were arrested when they refused to leave the area. The Park Police spokesman said that this was not an eviction, however, another protester said it was simply a less dynamic version of the crackdowns that happened on Wall Street and other camps. They were also made to remove a "tent of dreams" draped over a statue of James B. McPherson

Link:http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/occupy-dc-camp-raided-by-police/2012/02/04/gIQAwDoCpQ_story.html

What are your thoughts?

I see nothing wrong with it. They violate the law about no camping and no tents, my only issue is waiting so long. Evict them at nine at night, tell them they can come back at ten in the morning.

[Complex Systems]

Working near there, I have to say, the only reason I can say "good riddance" is due to a NIMBA complex.

For some background information. At the end of last year a full Occupy DC camp sprung up from only a handful of people, they got the permits required, and overall had rather good relations with the DC police. Those who were protesting made up the blunt of the protestors. They had port-a-poties put in, a running soup kitchen of sort, and a variety of other amenities that kept overall impact down (but balls did it still smell).

As the Occupy movement has kind of lost steam, the mixture of people who were protestors, and the homeless (who were displaced by the ODC people) went back to it's original distribution. Furthermore, the permit originally obtained by the ODC people was nearing it's end, which back in october was extended for another four months.

The result has been a situation no longer adhering to the current permit, and it has just become a living quarters in a public park. This, I think though, has not posed much of a public risk, as there hasn't been any increase in crime, and for many homeless individuals it provides some nourishment that the otherwise overstocked soup kitchens might not be able to service.

I think ODC has been dead for a while, but the facilities set up there certainly provided a public good for a lot of people who didn't have much else to rely on.

[TANRailgun]

Old Blue Collar Joe

Queen Shining Heaven

This morning at around 6 A.M, the Occupy D.C encampment was raided by U.S Park Police. The reasons are enforcement of a regulation which says that they are not allowed to camp over night. Most of the protesters didn't resist, though four were arrested when they refused to leave the area. The Park Police spokesman said that this was not an eviction, however, another protester said it was simply a less dynamic version of the crackdowns that happened on Wall Street and other camps. They were also made to remove a "tent of dreams" draped over a statue of James B. McPherson

Link:http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/occupy-dc-camp-raided-by-police/2012/02/04/gIQAwDoCpQ_story.html

What are your thoughts?

I see nothing wrong with it. They violate the law about no camping and no tents, my only issue is waiting so long. Evict them at nine at night, tell them they can come back at ten in the morning.

Funny how you cling to the law when it suits you, yet when it hinders you or your aims you decry it as shameful and oppressive. Or else cling to it all the harder when others call you on your digression.

[Old Blue Collar Joe]

TANRailgun

Old Blue Collar Joe

Queen Shining Heaven

This morning at around 6 A.M, the Occupy D.C encampment was raided by U.S Park Police. The reasons are enforcement of a regulation which says that they are not allowed to camp over night. Most of the protesters didn't resist, though four were arrested when they refused to leave the area. The Park Police spokesman said that this was not an eviction, however, another protester said it was simply a less dynamic version of the crackdowns that happened on Wall Street and other camps. They were also made to remove a "tent of dreams" draped over a statue of James B. McPherson

Link:http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/occupy-dc-camp-raided-by-police/2012/02/04/gIQAwDoCpQ_story.html

What are your thoughts?

I see nothing wrong with it. They violate the law about no camping and no tents, my only issue is waiting so long. Evict them at nine at night, tell them they can come back at ten in the morning.

Funny how you cling to the law when it suits you, yet when it hinders you or your aims you decry it as shameful and oppressive.

In what way? I am all for freedom of speech. I am against businesses being shut down because of things like this, when they 'bend the law' to suit their needs. And I seriously doubt you can find anyone alive that is 100% behind all laws, and support those that benefit them and their beliefs, and disagree with those that go counter to them.

[TANRailgun]

Old Blue Collar Joe

TANRailgun

Old Blue Collar Joe

Queen Shining Heaven

This morning at around 6 A.M, the Occupy D.C encampment was raided by U.S Park Police. The reasons are enforcement of a regulation which says that they are not allowed to camp over night. Most of the protesters didn't resist, though four were arrested when they refused to leave the area. The Park Police spokesman said that this was not an eviction, however, another protester said it was simply a less dynamic version of the crackdowns that happened on Wall Street and other camps. They were also made to remove a "tent of dreams" draped over a statue of James B. McPherson

Link:http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/occupy-dc-camp-raided-by-police/2012/02/04/gIQAwDoCpQ_story.html

What are your thoughts?

I see nothing wrong with it. They violate the law about no camping and no tents, my only issue is waiting so long. Evict them at nine at night, tell them they can come back at ten in the morning.

Funny how you cling to the law when it suits you, yet when it hinders you or your aims you decry it as shameful and oppressive.

In what way? I am all for freedom of speech. I am against businesses being shut down because of things like this, when they 'bend the law' to suit their needs. And I seriously doubt you can find anyone alive that is 100% behind all laws, and support those that benefit them and their beliefs, and disagree with those that go counter to them.

So then you admit you are a hypocrite? Damning laws when they apply to you or your own, yet championing them when they stifle opposition?

[Old Blue Collar Joe]

TANRailgun

Old Blue Collar Joe

TANRailgun

Old Blue Collar Joe

Queen Shining Heaven

This morning at around 6 A.M, the Occupy D.C encampment was raided by U.S Park Police. The reasons are enforcement of a regulation which says that they are not allowed to camp over night. Most of the protesters didn't resist, though four were arrested when they refused to leave the area. The Park Police spokesman said that this was not an eviction, however, another protester said it was simply a less dynamic version of the crackdowns that happened on Wall Street and other camps. They were also made to remove a "tent of dreams" draped over a statue of James B. McPherson

Link:http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/occupy-dc-camp-raided-by-police/2012/02/04/gIQAwDoCpQ_story.html

What are your thoughts?

I see nothing wrong with it. They violate the law about no camping and no tents, my only issue is waiting so long. Evict them at nine at night, tell them they can come back at ten in the morning.

Funny how you cling to the law when it suits you, yet when it hinders you or your aims you decry it as shameful and oppressive.

In what way? I am all for freedom of speech. I am against businesses being shut down because of things like this, when they 'bend the law' to suit their needs. And I seriously doubt you can find anyone alive that is 100% behind all laws, and support those that benefit them and their beliefs, and disagree with those that go counter to them.

So then you admit you are a hypocrite? Damning laws when they apply to you or your own, yet championing them when they stifle opposition?

Who isn't able to be viewed as a hypocrite when it comes to that? Name one person. The word hypocrite is misaligned. And one key point? Even if I disagree with a law doesn't mean I'll break it. A hypocrite would do just that. I merely disagree with a good number of laws. I still obey them.

[TANRailgun]

Old Blue Collar Joe

TANRailgun

Old Blue Collar Joe

TANRailgun

Old Blue Collar Joe

Queen Shining Heaven

This morning at around 6 A.M, the Occupy D.C encampment was raided by U.S Park Police. The reasons are enforcement of a regulation which says that they are not allowed to camp over night. Most of the protesters didn't resist, though four were arrested when they refused to leave the area. The Park Police spokesman said that this was not an eviction, however, another protester said it was simply a less dynamic version of the crackdowns that happened on Wall Street and other camps. They were also made to remove a "tent of dreams" draped over a statue of James B. McPherson

Link:http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/occupy-dc-camp-raided-by-police/2012/02/04/gIQAwDoCpQ_story.html

What are your thoughts?

I see nothing wrong with it. They violate the law about no camping and no tents, my only issue is waiting so long. Evict them at nine at night, tell them they can come back at ten in the morning.

Funny how you cling to the law when it suits you, yet when it hinders you or your aims you decry it as shameful and oppressive.

In what way? I am all for freedom of speech. I am against businesses being shut down because of things like this, when they 'bend the law' to suit their needs. And I seriously doubt you can find anyone alive that is 100% behind all laws, and support those that benefit them and their beliefs, and disagree with those that go counter to them.

So then you admit you are a hypocrite? Damning laws when they apply to you or your own, yet championing them when they stifle opposition?

Who isn't able to be viewed as a hypocrite when it comes to that? Name one person. The word hypocrite is misaligned. And one key point? Even if I disagree with a law doesn't mean I'll break it. A hypocrite would do just that. I merely disagree with a good number of laws. I still obey them.

My self, sure I would cry out with joy if the tea party were handled in such a way, and decry it were the Occupy movement treated the same, and yes, that makes me a hypocrite, but I would NEVER champion a law to defend my position on one, and damn it to defend my position on another issue.

[Complex Systems]

Old Blue Collar Joe

Even if I disagree with a law doesn't mean I'll break it. A hypocrite would do just that. I merely disagree with a good number of laws. I still obey them.

You've never broken a law, ever?

[N3bu]

TANRailgun

Old Blue Collar Joe

Queen Shining Heaven

This morning at around 6 A.M, the Occupy D.C encampment was raided by U.S Park Police. The reasons are enforcement of a regulation which says that they are not allowed to camp over night. Most of the protesters didn't resist, though four were arrested when they refused to leave the area. The Park Police spokesman said that this was not an eviction, however, another protester said it was simply a less dynamic version of the crackdowns that happened on Wall Street and other camps. They were also made to remove a "tent of dreams" draped over a statue of James B. McPherson

Link:http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/occupy-dc-camp-raided-by-police/2012/02/04/gIQAwDoCpQ_story.html

What are your thoughts?

I see nothing wrong with it. They violate the law about no camping and no tents, my only issue is waiting so long. Evict them at nine at night, tell them they can come back at ten in the morning.

Funny how you cling to the law when it suits you, yet when it hinders you or your aims you decry it as shameful and oppressive. Or else cling to it all the harder when others call you on your digression.

That's the Democratic system for you. With subjective values all you can really do is rally for what you want out of your country and government.

[Old Blue Collar Joe]

TANRailgun

Old Blue Collar Joe

TANRailgun

Old Blue Collar Joe

TANRailgun

Funny how you cling to the law when it suits you, yet when it hinders you or your aims you decry it as shameful and oppressive.

In what way? I am all for freedom of speech. I am against businesses being shut down because of things like this, when they 'bend the law' to suit their needs. And I seriously doubt you can find anyone alive that is 100% behind all laws, and support those that benefit them and their beliefs, and disagree with those that go counter to them.

So then you admit you are a hypocrite? Damning laws when they apply to you or your own, yet championing them when they stifle opposition?

Who isn't able to be viewed as a hypocrite when it comes to that? Name one person. The word hypocrite is misaligned. And one key point? Even if I disagree with a law doesn't mean I'll break it. A hypocrite would do just that. I merely disagree with a good number of laws. I still obey them.

My self, sure I would cry out with joy if the tea party were handled in such a way, and decry it were the Occupy movement treated the same, and yes, that makes me a hypocrite, but I would NEVER champion a law to defend my position on one, and damn it to defend my position on another issue.

Not what I'm saying. The laws should be enforced across the board. There is a no camping law in effect there, and in other places, yet the government allowed those laws to be broken. THAT I have an issue with.

[Old Blue Collar Joe]

Complex Systems

Old Blue Collar Joe

Even if I disagree with a law doesn't mean I'll break it. A hypocrite would do just that. I merely disagree with a good number of laws. I still obey them.

You've never broken a law, ever?

Who among us is perfect? However, I've never whined when busted for it being unfair. I paid the fine and made damn sure not to do that again.

[Slick Southpaw]

Queen Shining Heaven

What are your thoughts?

I don't see it so much as a "raid" but making sure people are compliant with their permits with rules and regualtions. I've had to put up with bullshit like that on a much smaller scale when trying to put up posters for a GSA event that I had permission for and advice from the people who actually had the enforcement power.

If anything, they might have been a bit overdressed for the occasion.

Though I'm glad that there was an improv soup kitchen for the homeless, although I worry about food handling procedures and risk of infection.

[Demon Kagerou]

In a semi-democratic system, laws are somewhat wiggly things. They bend and flux with society because society is what defines them.

Or to put it in terms a right-winger can understand: Laws are like the free market.

You don't usually think the government should have fixed prices for the sake of stability, and not allow for the natural balance of DEMAND and supply to take fold.

[Wendigo]

Slick Southpaw

Though I'm glad that there was an improv soup kitchen for the homeless, although I worry about food handling procedures and risk of infection.

Eww, meningitis.