Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ

[The God Hunter]

agrab0ekim

dl1371

agrab0ekim

dl1371

agrab0ekim

dl1371

People who get suspended more should have a lower IQ, from the first article:Your one example doesn't make it true for everybody
As for why blacks are suspended more, I naturally assumed it was because poorer kids get suspended more, and blacks are on average poorer than whites.

wow, you seem to think that correlation=causation
try again

as for why they are suspended more, it might be because they act out more, are in a stricter envrionment, or anything like that

Well of course they act out more
I'm saying the reason they act out more is because they're in a stricter enviroment.

here is the problem
you are arguing that poor schooling correlates with lower IQs (not possible to prove, too many variables) and that blacks get poorer schooling, but you can not prove that either

basically, you are arguing something that is unprovable

I thought that with racism in America the fact that blacks get poorer schooling would be obvious...
EDIT: For example: blacks get less jobs (because the employers don't want to hire them), so then their kids can't go to a private school
Poorer schooling.

without proof it is not obvious. Prove that blacks have worse schooling (and remember, you already discredited test results, so you can not use them)
Who cares if blacks get less jobs? How is that relevant to their quality of education? Furthermore, you need to show that private will always beat public

Well this is just a personal example if you compair Andover High School in Andover MA to Methuen High or Lawrence High there are staggering differences in the quality of education and MCAS scores. Instead of using race as the issue we should look at where the school is located as well as the economic situation. Suburban schools>inner city schools.
All the funding and good students that go to inner city schools get taken in by voc schools, magnet schools, and private schools. Leaving only the underachieving and the poor.
MCAS scores for Andover public schools http://www.boston.com/news/special/education/mcas/scores09/results/andover.htm
MCAS scores for Lawrence
http://www.boston.com/news/special/education/mcas/scores09/results/lawrence.htm
MCAs scores for Methuen
http://www.boston.com/news/special/education/mcas/scores09/results/methuen.htm

[agrab0ekim]

The God Hunter

agrab0ekim

dl1371

agrab0ekim

dl1371

Well of course they act out more
I'm saying the reason they act out more is because they're in a stricter enviroment.

here is the problem
you are arguing that poor schooling correlates with lower IQs (not possible to prove, too many variables) and that blacks get poorer schooling, but you can not prove that either

basically, you are arguing something that is unprovable

I thought that with racism in America the fact that blacks get poorer schooling would be obvious...
EDIT: For example: blacks get less jobs (because the employers don't want to hire them), so then their kids can't go to a private school
Poorer schooling.

without proof it is not obvious. Prove that blacks have worse schooling (and remember, you already discredited test results, so you can not use them)
Who cares if blacks get less jobs? How is that relevant to their quality of education? Furthermore, you need to show that private will always beat public

Well this is just a personal example if you compair Andover High School in Andover MA to Methuen High or Lawrence High there are staggering differences in the quality of education and MCAS scores. Instead of using race as the issue we should look at where the school is located as well as the economic situation. Suburban schools>inner city schools.
All the funding and good students that go to inner city schools get taken in by voc schools, magnet schools, and private schools. Leaving only the underachieving and the poor.
MCAS scores for Andover public schools http://www.boston.com/news/special/education/mcas/scores09/results/andover.htm
MCAS scores for Lawrence
http://www.boston.com/news/special/education/mcas/scores09/results/lawrence.htm
MCAs scores for Methuen
http://www.boston.com/news/special/education/mcas/scores09/results/methuen.htm

MCAS?? assuming that this is a test, you already said that they can not be used to show anything
Well, then race is not an issue at all. I am not sure how this is relevant to education adn IQ at all. Rather, this seems to be showing why there should be an equal funding method

[The God Hunter]

agrab0ekim

The God Hunter

agrab0ekim

dl1371

agrab0ekim

dl1371

Well of course they act out more
I'm saying the reason they act out more is because they're in a stricter enviroment.

here is the problem
you are arguing that poor schooling correlates with lower IQs (not possible to prove, too many variables) and that blacks get poorer schooling, but you can not prove that either

basically, you are arguing something that is unprovable

I thought that with racism in America the fact that blacks get poorer schooling would be obvious...
EDIT: For example: blacks get less jobs (because the employers don't want to hire them), so then their kids can't go to a private school
Poorer schooling.

without proof it is not obvious. Prove that blacks have worse schooling (and remember, you already discredited test results, so you can not use them)
Who cares if blacks get less jobs? How is that relevant to their quality of education? Furthermore, you need to show that private will always beat public

Well this is just a personal example if you compair Andover High School in Andover MA to Methuen High or Lawrence High there are staggering differences in the quality of education and MCAS scores. Instead of using race as the issue we should look at where the school is located as well as the economic situation. Suburban schools>inner city schools.
All the funding and good students that go to inner city schools get taken in by voc schools, magnet schools, and private schools. Leaving only the underachieving and the poor.
MCAS scores for Andover public schools http://www.boston.com/news/special/education/mcas/scores09/results/andover.htm
MCAS scores for Lawrence
http://www.boston.com/news/special/education/mcas/scores09/results/lawrence.htm
MCAs scores for Methuen
http://www.boston.com/news/special/education/mcas/scores09/results/methuen.htm

MCAS?? assuming that this is a test, you already said that they can not be used to show anything
Well, then race is not an issue at all. I am not sure how this is relevant to education adn IQ at all. Rather, this seems to be showing why there should be an equal funding method

MCAS is a state wide standardized test that assesses basic knowledge in math, science, LA, and so on. This is not an IQ test it is mainly used to assess school and the students. I am not a huge fan of the MCAS but I can see why they are useful. I am using it to show the difference in scores. If you look at Andover which is a very rich town you will notice that like 90% of the kids scored either proficent or advanced. In Lawrence and Methuen the majority of the students scored needs improvement or just flat out failed. Its no secret that many of these inner city schools are composed mainly of minorities while suburbian schools are the opposite.
Yes funding and economic status are the real demons in education. The percent of bad teachers in my mind is directly coorilated to the money a school system has to spend.

[Herobane]

That explains everything about me then! biggrin

[agrab0ekim]

The God Hunter

agrab0ekim

The God Hunter

agrab0ekim

dl1371

I thought that with racism in America the fact that blacks get poorer schooling would be obvious...
EDIT: For example: blacks get less jobs (because the employers don't want to hire them), so then their kids can't go to a private school
Poorer schooling.

without proof it is not obvious. Prove that blacks have worse schooling (and remember, you already discredited test results, so you can not use them)
Who cares if blacks get less jobs? How is that relevant to their quality of education? Furthermore, you need to show that private will always beat public

Well this is just a personal example if you compair Andover High School in Andover MA to Methuen High or Lawrence High there are staggering differences in the quality of education and MCAS scores. Instead of using race as the issue we should look at where the school is located as well as the economic situation. Suburban schools>inner city schools.
All the funding and good students that go to inner city schools get taken in by voc schools, magnet schools, and private schools. Leaving only the underachieving and the poor.
MCAS scores for Andover public schools http://www.boston.com/news/special/education/mcas/scores09/results/andover.htm
MCAS scores for Lawrence
http://www.boston.com/news/special/education/mcas/scores09/results/lawrence.htm
MCAs scores for Methuen
http://www.boston.com/news/special/education/mcas/scores09/results/methuen.htm

MCAS?? assuming that this is a test, you already said that they can not be used to show anything
Well, then race is not an issue at all. I am not sure how this is relevant to education adn IQ at all. Rather, this seems to be showing why there should be an equal funding method

MCAS is a state wide standardized test that assesses basic knowledge in math, science, LA, and so on. This is not an IQ test it is mainly used to assess school and the students. I am not a huge fan of the MCAS but I can see why they are useful. I am using it to show the difference in scores. If you look at Andover which is a very rich town you will notice that like 90% of the kids scored either proficent or advanced. In Lawrence and Methuen the majority of the students scored needs improvement or just flat out failed. Its no secret that many of these inner city schools are composed mainly of minorities while suburbian schools are the opposite.
Yes funding and economic status are the real demons in education. The percent of bad teachers in my mind is directly coorilated to the money a school system has to spend.

the problem is that that shows nothing about the quality of education
you can say that money effects the quality of education (clearly shown by this)
or that the quality of education effects the results of IQ (not shown anywhere)
but not both

also, you post indicates that everything should be based on same payments to schools, which I am fine with. This in no way shows anything about IQs or about Blacks getting worse schooling. Rather that poor people getting worse schooling

[Lady Merewyn]

The God Hunter

This shows that people tend to be liberal/atheist when they have average IQs. However this survey was done in London which demographically different from the US. For one less then 10% of the people in England attends church services. While in the US about 43% attend church on a weekly basis. Also England tends to lean more liberal which is seen with the massive amount of government control the English face on a daily basis where as the US tends to be more conservative.

It wasn't a survey, it was a study, which involved previously existing data from a US National Survey. London just happened to be the place that analyzed the data. Generally in such studies the participants don't know what it is that the observers are looking for. The IQ test would be given, as well as demographic questions, but participants wouldn't be told that one of the research objectives was to determine whether there was a relationship between IQ and ideological beliefs.

[Tactical Leg Sweep]

While that's an ego stroke for me, correlation does not equal causation, so the entire premise is pretty flawed.

Not to mention how IQ is really, ultimately bullshit.

[Tactical Leg Sweep]

The God Hunter

Mister Wilde

Redem

But IQ is better than nothing.

I disagree. Most people view it as a test of general intelligence but blacks score lower than whites and low-income people lower than well-off ones. Obviously it's a test of education more than anything inherent. I'd say it's worse than nothing if the message is being sent that people with lower IQ scores are actually less intelligent than others if these are the results.

IQ tests are useful for identifying students with learning disabilities. The test is far from perfect in anyway but it does measure intelligence, achievement, and performance. Some test are better then others for example Goodenough-Harris Drawing test is useless and if you have taken this test you should take another because it doesn't show s**t. Where as the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children-Revised is a good test with decently reliable results.

None of the models are reliable tests for intelligence. All still rely on the premise that sets of knowledge are indicators of intelligence, rather than what intelligence is most accurately and widely regarded as, which is ability to GAIN knowledge, ability to apply knowledge, and the ability to think abstractly.

Even getting beyond the basic fallacy that intelligence could be accurately quantified, it's doubtful that with any current technology and our understanding of the human brain, that we'll be able to develop a method to measure any of those very subjective criteria.

[Trop.exe]

Mister Wilde

Redem

But IQ is better than nothing.

I disagree. Most people view it as a test of general intelligence but blacks score lower than whites and low-income people lower than well-off ones. Obviously it's a test of education more than anything inherent. I'd say it's worse than nothing if the message is being sent that people with lower IQ scores are actually less intelligent than others if these are the results.

The problem with the results is it does not describe how they were tested.

Real comprehensive intelligence tests do not simply test on things that are based around education. For example, if you were in first grade and you did not know what 2 + 2 was, an IQ test would not show that you are lacking in IQ because of that. Rather if you could follow simple patterns within math, such as 1 + 1 = 2, 1 + 1 + 1 = 3, 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = ?. They are based around your age as they expect you to have some level of literacy, but test things such as hand eye coordination, problem solving and physical competency. Obviously disabilities are considered such as an individual who cannot walk is considered to have a lower intelligence because his leg was blown off in Iraq.

Most tests performed in North America are not up to par to test intelligence properly which is why IQ is such a subjective thing in liberal studies.

[Mokie7]

I don't think I've commented in this thread yet... probably because sociology is bullshit.

[Demon Kagerou]

Mokie7

I don't think I've commented in this thread yet... probably because sociology is bullshit.

What do you have against the study of society?