Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ

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I disregard the black/white variance because whites get better schooling than blacks, which means the test values knowledge, not intelligence
I disregard that because:
a) some people work better at different time, I can't do anything until about 10:00 in the morning (at least not well)
b) people have different skill sets, if I'm really good at math and I take a test that has more reading in it then I'll do worse then if I took a test with more math

Show me proof that schooling has a direct correlation with IQ, followed by proof that Blacks get worse schooling (this will be hard, as you have already discredited all tests and thus can not use them in your argument)

Your first question: http://www.brainy-child.com/expert/intelligence-and-schooling.shtml

none of those indicate that they are correlating, rather that they are variables. That said, the difference could simply be how many tests they get, and if that stresses them out or not. need a better control

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Your second question: Well aside from the fact that with racism in America its pretty obvious...
http://www.jstor.org/pss/4148868
Blacks are suspended more
Suspended students usually don't do the best.

So, suspension (which is imposed upon one for THEIR OWN ACTIONS) = bad schooling? I am missing the link here
also, i was first in my class and almost expelled (suspended many times)

People who get suspended more should have a lower IQ, from the first article:

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On the other hand, research has indicated that children who do not attend school or who attend intermittently eventually have poorer scores on IQ tests than those who attend regularly

Your one example doesn't make it true for everybody
As for why blacks are suspended more, I naturally assumed it was because poorer kids get suspended more, and blacks are on average poorer than whites.

wow, you seem to think that correlation=causation
try again

as for why they are suspended more, it might be because they act out more, are in a stricter envrionment, or anything like that

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Show me proof that schooling has a direct correlation with IQ, followed by proof that Blacks get worse schooling (this will be hard, as you have already discredited all tests and thus can not use them in your argument)

Your first question: http://www.brainy-child.com/expert/intelligence-and-schooling.shtml

none of those indicate that they are correlating, rather that they are variables. That said, the difference could simply be how many tests they get, and if that stresses them out or not. need a better control

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Your second question: Well aside from the fact that with racism in America its pretty obvious...
http://www.jstor.org/pss/4148868
Blacks are suspended more
Suspended students usually don't do the best.

So, suspension (which is imposed upon one for THEIR OWN ACTIONS) = bad schooling? I am missing the link here
also, i was first in my class and almost expelled (suspended many times)

People who get suspended more should have a lower IQ, from the first article:

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On the other hand, research has indicated that children who do not attend school or who attend intermittently eventually have poorer scores on IQ tests than those who attend regularly

Your one example doesn't make it true for everybody
As for why blacks are suspended more, I naturally assumed it was because poorer kids get suspended more, and blacks are on average poorer than whites.

wow, you seem to think that correlation=causation
try again

as for why they are suspended more, it might be because they act out more, are in a stricter envrionment, or anything like that

Well of course they act out more
I'm saying the reason they act out more is because they're in a stricter enviroment.

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Your first question: http://www.brainy-child.com/expert/intelligence-and-schooling.shtml

none of those indicate that they are correlating, rather that they are variables. That said, the difference could simply be how many tests they get, and if that stresses them out or not. need a better control

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Your second question: Well aside from the fact that with racism in America its pretty obvious...
http://www.jstor.org/pss/4148868
Blacks are suspended more
Suspended students usually don't do the best.

So, suspension (which is imposed upon one for THEIR OWN ACTIONS) = bad schooling? I am missing the link here
also, i was first in my class and almost expelled (suspended many times)

People who get suspended more should have a lower IQ, from the first article:

Quote:

On the other hand, research has indicated that children who do not attend school or who attend intermittently eventually have poorer scores on IQ tests than those who attend regularly

Your one example doesn't make it true for everybody
As for why blacks are suspended more, I naturally assumed it was because poorer kids get suspended more, and blacks are on average poorer than whites.

wow, you seem to think that correlation=causation
try again

as for why they are suspended more, it might be because they act out more, are in a stricter envrionment, or anything like that

Well of course they act out more
I'm saying the reason they act out more is because they're in a stricter enviroment.

here is the problem
you are arguing that poor schooling correlates with lower IQs (not possible to prove, too many variables) and that blacks get poorer schooling, but you can not prove that either

basically, you are arguing something that is unprovable

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none of those indicate that they are correlating, rather that they are variables. That said, the difference could simply be how many tests they get, and if that stresses them out or not. need a better control


So, suspension (which is imposed upon one for THEIR OWN ACTIONS) = bad schooling? I am missing the link here
also, i was first in my class and almost expelled (suspended many times)

People who get suspended more should have a lower IQ, from the first article:

Quote:

On the other hand, research has indicated that children who do not attend school or who attend intermittently eventually have poorer scores on IQ tests than those who attend regularly

Your one example doesn't make it true for everybody
As for why blacks are suspended more, I naturally assumed it was because poorer kids get suspended more, and blacks are on average poorer than whites.

wow, you seem to think that correlation=causation
try again

as for why they are suspended more, it might be because they act out more, are in a stricter envrionment, or anything like that

Well of course they act out more
I'm saying the reason they act out more is because they're in a stricter enviroment.

here is the problem
you are arguing that poor schooling correlates with lower IQs (not possible to prove, too many variables) and that blacks get poorer schooling, but you can not prove that either

basically, you are arguing something that is unprovable

I thought that with racism in America the fact that blacks get poorer schooling would be obvious...
EDIT: For example: blacks get less jobs (because the employers don't want to hire them), so then their kids can't go to a private school
Poorer schooling.

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People who get suspended more should have a lower IQ, from the first article:Your one example doesn't make it true for everybody
As for why blacks are suspended more, I naturally assumed it was because poorer kids get suspended more, and blacks are on average poorer than whites.

wow, you seem to think that correlation=causation
try again

as for why they are suspended more, it might be because they act out more, are in a stricter envrionment, or anything like that

Well of course they act out more
I'm saying the reason they act out more is because they're in a stricter enviroment.

here is the problem
you are arguing that poor schooling correlates with lower IQs (not possible to prove, too many variables) and that blacks get poorer schooling, but you can not prove that either

basically, you are arguing something that is unprovable

I thought that with racism in America the fact that blacks get poorer schooling would be obvious...
EDIT: For example: blacks get less jobs (because the employers don't want to hire them), so then their kids can't go to a private school
Poorer schooling.

You're making one hell of a lot of assumptions with absolutely no basis in fact. You realize that the most strict schools are the private ones, right? The public schools are the ones that are more lenient?
Yet, you state that since black kids are in a more strict school, they get expelled more, which is false. Public school is, if anything, more forgiving.
You also ignore that public schools, rather than holding students accountable, have the nasty habit of lowering the bar, rather than simply saying 'tough s**t. You're stupid. Do the grade over.'

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wow, you seem to think that correlation=causation
try again

as for why they are suspended more, it might be because they act out more, are in a stricter envrionment, or anything like that

Well of course they act out more
I'm saying the reason they act out more is because they're in a stricter enviroment.

here is the problem
you are arguing that poor schooling correlates with lower IQs (not possible to prove, too many variables) and that blacks get poorer schooling, but you can not prove that either

basically, you are arguing something that is unprovable

I thought that with racism in America the fact that blacks get poorer schooling would be obvious...
EDIT: For example: blacks get less jobs (because the employers don't want to hire them), so then their kids can't go to a private school
Poorer schooling.

You're making one hell of a lot of assumptions with absolutely no basis in fact. You realize that the most strict schools are the private ones, right? The public schools are the ones that are more lenient?

But most people who go to private schools are much richer than people who go to public schools. Rich kids usually act out less.

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Yet, you state that since black kids are in a more strict school, they get expelled more, which is false. Public school is, if anything, more forgiving.

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You also ignore that public schools, rather than holding students accountable, have the nasty habit of lowering the bar, rather than simply saying 'tough s**t. You're stupid. Do the grade over.'

And if they have to do the grade over they don't get the schooling they would in the next grade, therefore they (if the IQ tests are affected by schooling) should have a lower IQ. Whereas private school kids could probably get into a public school instead of doing the grade over.

Also, I should probably withdraw that last post because of this

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Well of course they act out more
I'm saying the reason they act out more is because they're in a stricter enviroment.

here is the problem
you are arguing that poor schooling correlates with lower IQs (not possible to prove, too many variables) and that blacks get poorer schooling, but you can not prove that either

basically, you are arguing something that is unprovable

I thought that with racism in America the fact that blacks get poorer schooling would be obvious...
EDIT: For example: blacks get less jobs (because the employers don't want to hire them), so then their kids can't go to a private school
Poorer schooling.

You're making one hell of a lot of assumptions with absolutely no basis in fact. You realize that the most strict schools are the private ones, right? The public schools are the ones that are more lenient?

But most people who go to private schools are much richer than people who go to public schools. Rich kids usually act out less.

Quote:

Yet, you state that since black kids are in a more strict school, they get expelled more, which is false. Public school is, if anything, more forgiving.

True

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You also ignore that public schools, rather than holding students accountable, have the nasty habit of lowering the bar, rather than simply saying 'tough s**t. You're stupid. Do the grade over.'

And if they have to do the grade over they don't get the schooling they would in the next grade, therefore they (if the IQ tests are affected by schooling) should have a lower IQ. Whereas private school kids could probably get into a public school instead of doing the grade over.

Also, I should probably withdraw that last post because of this

It's more than economy. You've pretty much hit that on the head, and has little to nothing to do with race. Want the answer?

Watch Little Rock Central High: 50 Years Later.

Damn it's eye opening. When you realize that it is fairly typical of families that really don't give a ********, compared against those that do, you realize that stupid is a financial group, not a race.

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here is the problem
you are arguing that poor schooling correlates with lower IQs (not possible to prove, too many variables) and that blacks get poorer schooling, but you can not prove that either

basically, you are arguing something that is unprovable

I thought that with racism in America the fact that blacks get poorer schooling would be obvious...
EDIT: For example: blacks get less jobs (because the employers don't want to hire them), so then their kids can't go to a private school
Poorer schooling.

You're making one hell of a lot of assumptions with absolutely no basis in fact. You realize that the most strict schools are the private ones, right? The public schools are the ones that are more lenient?

But most people who go to private schools are much richer than people who go to public schools. Rich kids usually act out less.

Quote:

Yet, you state that since black kids are in a more strict school, they get expelled more, which is false. Public school is, if anything, more forgiving.

True

Quote:

You also ignore that public schools, rather than holding students accountable, have the nasty habit of lowering the bar, rather than simply saying 'tough s**t. You're stupid. Do the grade over.'

And if they have to do the grade over they don't get the schooling they would in the next grade, therefore they (if the IQ tests are affected by schooling) should have a lower IQ. Whereas private school kids could probably get into a public school instead of doing the grade over.

Also, I should probably withdraw that last post because of this

It's more than economy. You've pretty much hit that on the head, and has little to nothing to do with race. Want the answer?

Watch Little Rock Central High: 50 Years Later.

Damn it's eye opening. When you realize that it is fairly typical of families that really don't give a ********, compared against those that do, you realize that stupid is a financial group, not a race.

Never seen it
But sure, I'll try to...

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I thought that with racism in America the fact that blacks get poorer schooling would be obvious...
EDIT: For example: blacks get less jobs (because the employers don't want to hire them), so then their kids can't go to a private school
Poorer schooling.

You're making one hell of a lot of assumptions with absolutely no basis in fact. You realize that the most strict schools are the private ones, right? The public schools are the ones that are more lenient?

But most people who go to private schools are much richer than people who go to public schools. Rich kids usually act out less.

Quote:

Yet, you state that since black kids are in a more strict school, they get expelled more, which is false. Public school is, if anything, more forgiving.

True

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You also ignore that public schools, rather than holding students accountable, have the nasty habit of lowering the bar, rather than simply saying 'tough s**t. You're stupid. Do the grade over.'

And if they have to do the grade over they don't get the schooling they would in the next grade, therefore they (if the IQ tests are affected by schooling) should have a lower IQ. Whereas private school kids could probably get into a public school instead of doing the grade over.

Also, I should probably withdraw that last post because of this

It's more than economy. You've pretty much hit that on the head, and has little to nothing to do with race. Want the answer?

Watch Little Rock Central High: 50 Years Later.

Damn it's eye opening. When you realize that it is fairly typical of families that really don't give a ********, compared against those that do, you realize that stupid is a financial group, not a race.

Never seen it
But sure, I'll try to...

I watched it multiple times. It was an HBO special, and I plan on ordering the DVD. It's stunning in proving that stupid is based on parents that really don't give a ********. Rich kids do well, not because they're rich, but because their parents won't accept half assed work.
Poor kids do bad because the typical attitude is, 'you passed? Good. Get me a beer.'

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You're making one hell of a lot of assumptions with absolutely no basis in fact. You realize that the most strict schools are the private ones, right? The public schools are the ones that are more lenient?

But most people who go to private schools are much richer than people who go to public schools. Rich kids usually act out less.

Quote:

Yet, you state that since black kids are in a more strict school, they get expelled more, which is false. Public school is, if anything, more forgiving.

True

Quote:

You also ignore that public schools, rather than holding students accountable, have the nasty habit of lowering the bar, rather than simply saying 'tough s**t. You're stupid. Do the grade over.'

And if they have to do the grade over they don't get the schooling they would in the next grade, therefore they (if the IQ tests are affected by schooling) should have a lower IQ. Whereas private school kids could probably get into a public school instead of doing the grade over.

Also, I should probably withdraw that last post because of this

It's more than economy. You've pretty much hit that on the head, and has little to nothing to do with race. Want the answer?

Watch Little Rock Central High: 50 Years Later.

Damn it's eye opening. When you realize that it is fairly typical of families that really don't give a ********, compared against those that do, you realize that stupid is a financial group, not a race.

Never seen it
But sure, I'll try to...

I watched it multiple times. It was an HBO special, and I plan on ordering the DVD. It's stunning in proving that stupid is based on parents that really don't give a ********. Rich kids do well, not because they're rich, but because their parents won't accept half assed work.
Poor kids do bad because the typical attitude is, 'you passed? Good. Get me a beer.'

That does make sense...
Although some poor parents stress doing well in school because they want their kids to be successful...

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What about Libertarian and Atheist?

Libertarians? rofl

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But most people who go to private schools are much richer than people who go to public schools. Rich kids usually act out less.
True
And if they have to do the grade over they don't get the schooling they would in the next grade, therefore they (if the IQ tests are affected by schooling) should have a lower IQ. Whereas private school kids could probably get into a public school instead of doing the grade over.

Also, I should probably withdraw that last post because of this

It's more than economy. You've pretty much hit that on the head, and has little to nothing to do with race. Want the answer?

Watch Little Rock Central High: 50 Years Later.

Damn it's eye opening. When you realize that it is fairly typical of families that really don't give a ********, compared against those that do, you realize that stupid is a financial group, not a race.

Never seen it
But sure, I'll try to...

I watched it multiple times. It was an HBO special, and I plan on ordering the DVD. It's stunning in proving that stupid is based on parents that really don't give a ********. Rich kids do well, not because they're rich, but because their parents won't accept half assed work.
Poor kids do bad because the typical attitude is, 'you passed? Good. Get me a beer.'

That does make sense...
Although some poor parents stress doing well in school because they want their kids to be successful...

Correct. And those are the kids that are 'atypical' and succeed. The parental involvement is crucial in getting the kids to be successful.

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The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are not stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points -- and the data should not be used to stereotype or make assumptions about people, experts say.

[zz1000zz]

Take away point from this study? People trained in ways which make them better at IQ tests also learn to lie more.

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People who get suspended more should have a lower IQ, from the first article:Your one example doesn't make it true for everybody
As for why blacks are suspended more, I naturally assumed it was because poorer kids get suspended more, and blacks are on average poorer than whites.

wow, you seem to think that correlation=causation
try again

as for why they are suspended more, it might be because they act out more, are in a stricter envrionment, or anything like that

Well of course they act out more
I'm saying the reason they act out more is because they're in a stricter enviroment.

here is the problem
you are arguing that poor schooling correlates with lower IQs (not possible to prove, too many variables) and that blacks get poorer schooling, but you can not prove that either

basically, you are arguing something that is unprovable

I thought that with racism in America the fact that blacks get poorer schooling would be obvious...
EDIT: For example: blacks get less jobs (because the employers don't want to hire them), so then their kids can't go to a private school
Poorer schooling.

without proof it is not obvious. Prove that blacks have worse schooling (and remember, you already discredited test results, so you can not use them)
Who cares if blacks get less jobs? How is that relevant to their quality of education? Furthermore, you need to show that private will always beat public