Isn't Universal Health care guaranteed in the Constitution?

[agrab0ekim]

BlueCollarJoe

So...you're blowing off George Mason, Thomas Jefferson, the entire congress and numerous others to try and get your point across, even though you know it's a load of s**t?
The Declaration of Independence was authored by one man. But many others had input. How about some integrity?

and don't forget the other founding fathers who left the convention after "smelling a rat"

[Dermezel]

BlueCollarJoe

So...you're blowing off George Mason, Thomas Jefferson, the entire congress and numerous others to try and get your point across, even though you know it's a load of concentrated ecoli?

Yo, you aren't getting it. Madison wrote the Bill of Rights. We are discussing the Bill of Rights.

I'm not "blowing off" anybody, in fact I noted their objection to the Bill of Rights to which the Ninth Amendment was the response.

[agrab0ekim]

Dermezel

BlueCollarJoe

So...you're blowing off George Mason, Thomas Jefferson, the entire congress and numerous others to try and get your point across, even though you know it's a load of concentrated ecoli?

Yo, you aren't getting it. Madison wrote the Bill of Rights. We are discussing the Bill of Rights.

I'm not "blowing off" anybody, in fact I noted their objection to the Bill of Rights to which the Ninth Amendment was the response.

it doesn't matter who wrote it, as he didn't pass it
what matters is who passed it, as they are the people whos opinion matter

[BlueCollarJoe]

Dermezel

BlueCollarJoe

So...you're blowing off George Mason, Thomas Jefferson, the entire congress and numerous others to try and get your point across, even though you know it's a load of concentrated ecoli?

Yo, you aren't getting it. Madison wrote the Bill of Rights. We are discussing the Bill of Rights.

I'm not "blowing off" anybody, in fact I noted their objection to the Bill of Rights to which the Ninth Amendment was the response.

Madison took his concept from Mason, and Jefferson was instrumental in the writing of it. The Congress revised it to suit the opinion of their respective voters. No one man controlled the entire process from start to finish. It was a collective effort.
Same as the DoI. Neither document was the work of 'one man only'.

[Dermezel]

agrab0ekim

it doesn't matter who wrote it, as he didn't pass it
what matters is who passed it, as they are the people whos opinion matter

Oh I see. So if I write a book, and intend for it to have a specific meaning it doesn't matter with respect to determining the actual meaning of the book. What matters is who approves of (i.e. passes) it. Sure. I mean just because Madison WROTE the Ninth Amendment, that doesn't make him an "expert" on it. Just like Charles Darwin, just because he wrote the Origin of Species it does not mean he knows anything about the book.

[Dermezel]

BlueCollarJoe

Dermezel

BlueCollarJoe

So...you're blowing off George Mason, Thomas Jefferson, the entire congress and numerous others to try and get your point across, even though you know it's a load of concentrated ecoli?

Yo, you aren't getting it. Madison wrote the Bill of Rights. We are discussing the Bill of Rights.

I'm not "blowing off" anybody, in fact I noted their objection to the Bill of Rights to which the Ninth Amendment was the response.

Madison took his concept from Mason, and Jefferson was instrumental in the writing of it. The Congress revised it to suit the opinion of their respective voters. No one man controlled the entire process from start to finish. It was a collective effort.
Same as the DoI. Neither document was the work of 'one man only'.

Yeah you know the person who wrote it is still pretty important.

Also you keep pointing out these other figures as if you even have an objection. What I mean is, like you actually quoted one of the other Founding Fathers who opposed Madison's intended meaning.

I mean yeah, okay, if you had quotes from say Mason, or Jefferson, or Franklin, arguing "Well I think Madison is wrong, and the Ninth Amendment should really mean X" then you would have a point. It may still not be right, but you'd at least have something to say about it. All you have is "Well they could have said something and we just might not know about it."

[marinebase7]

agrab0ekim

marinebase7

Forcing it isn't (not to mention.. no it isn't granted by the Constitution... it may be implied... but no ) :
You will go to jail if you don't get health insurance (it's on Youtube.. the speech is like 2 min. long).

and people in jail get free health care, so it hits them there too

Wow.. are you ******** serious... They are willing to JAIL people BECAUSE they don't get health insurance. Also, prisoners' health is already taken care of in jail so them having health care is irrelevant (not to mention they cannot go into ordinary hospital without special permission/security).

[agrab0ekim]

Dermezel

agrab0ekim

it doesn't matter who wrote it, as he didn't pass it
what matters is who passed it, as they are the people whos opinion matter

Oh I see. So if I write a book, and intend for it to have a specific meaning it doesn't matter with respect to determining the actual meaning of the book. What matters is who approves of (i.e. passes) it. Sure. I mean just because Madison WROTE the Ninth Amendment, that doesn't make him an "expert" on it. Just like Charles Darwin, just because he wrote the Origin of Species it does not mean he knows anything about the book.

did Madison write the entire Constitution, decode it for everybody, and they voted on the meaning?
Nope, so try again

also, Darwin would not be considered an expert in evolution for the same reason

[agrab0ekim]

Dermezel

BlueCollarJoe

Dermezel

BlueCollarJoe

So...you're blowing off George Mason, Thomas Jefferson, the entire congress and numerous others to try and get your point across, even though you know it's a load of concentrated ecoli?

Yo, you aren't getting it. Madison wrote the Bill of Rights. We are discussing the Bill of Rights.

I'm not "blowing off" anybody, in fact I noted their objection to the Bill of Rights to which the Ninth Amendment was the response.

Madison took his concept from Mason, and Jefferson was instrumental in the writing of it. The Congress revised it to suit the opinion of their respective voters. No one man controlled the entire process from start to finish. It was a collective effort.
Same as the DoI. Neither document was the work of 'one man only'.

Yeah you know the person who wrote it is still pretty important.

Also you keep pointing out these other figures as if you even have an objection. What I mean is, like you actually quoted one of the other Founding Fathers who opposed Madison's intended meaning.

I mean yeah, okay, if you had quotes from say Mason, or Jefferson, or Franklin, arguing "Well I think Madison is wrong, and the Ninth Amendment should really mean X" then you would have a point. It may still not be right, but you'd at least have something to say about it. All you have is "Well they could have said something and we just might not know about it."

and all you have is that 1/39 of the signers (forget about the states for this point) believed it meant something. Yet, you act as though that means that that is what it means

[Dermezel]

agrab0ekim

Dermezel

agrab0ekim

it doesn't matter who wrote it, as he didn't pass it
what matters is who passed it, as they are the people whos opinion matter

Oh I see. So if I write a book, and intend for it to have a specific meaning it doesn't matter with respect to determining the actual meaning of the book. What matters is who approves of (i.e. passes) it. Sure. I mean just because Madison WROTE the Ninth Amendment, that doesn't make him an "expert" on it. Just like Charles Darwin, just because he wrote the Origin of Species it does not mean he knows anything about the book.

did Madison write the entire Constitution, decode it for everybody, and they voted on the meaning?
Nope, so try again

also, Darwin would not be considered an expert in evolution for the same reason

Like I said, the fact that he authored it makes his testimony relevant. And again, do you have any actual quotations from any other Founding Father that disagreed with Madison's statement concerning the Ninth, or is your argument lacking in substance as well as relevance?

[Kikarok]

The right to life is not a guarantee of being kept alive. It is a guarantee that you will not be stopped from keeping yourself alive, nothing more.

[agrab0ekim]

Dermezel

agrab0ekim

Dermezel

agrab0ekim

it doesn't matter who wrote it, as he didn't pass it
what matters is who passed it, as they are the people whos opinion matter

Oh I see. So if I write a book, and intend for it to have a specific meaning it doesn't matter with respect to determining the actual meaning of the book. What matters is who approves of (i.e. passes) it. Sure. I mean just because Madison WROTE the Ninth Amendment, that doesn't make him an "expert" on it. Just like Charles Darwin, just because he wrote the Origin of Species it does not mean he knows anything about the book.

did Madison write the entire Constitution, decode it for everybody, and they voted on the meaning?
Nope, so try again

also, Darwin would not be considered an expert in evolution for the same reason

Like I said, the fact that he authored it makes his testimony relevant. And again, do you have any actual quotations from any other Founding Father that disagreed with Madison's statement concerning the Ninth, or is your argument lacking in substance as well as relevance?

No, it does not. He wrote something that was profoundly altered, and it was decided upon by dozens of other men. His thought is no more important than any other man

[Teshna]

It also guarantees everyone a home. Yet a large percentage of US citizens are homeless.

[agrab0ekim]

Teshna

It also guarantees everyone a home. Yet a large percentage of US citizens are homeless.

I want a direct quote please

[Teshna]

agrab0ekim

Teshna

It also guarantees everyone a home. Yet a large percentage of US citizens are homeless.

I want a direct quote please

I heard it from Capitolism: A Love Story.

Hold on, I'll find the exact part of the Constitution that says it.