Kia Eriks
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Still overwhelmingly pro union though. Its just divided between with devolved assembly or without.
In fact by my reckoning that's now a 69% in favour of a continued union with Great Britain.
My guess is long after all of us here are dead and buried Ulster will still be an active part of this grand union of ours.
In fact by my reckoning that's now a 69% in favour of a continued union with Great Britain.
My guess is long after all of us here are dead and buried Ulster will still be an active part of this grand union of ours.
/Eh. We'll have to see. It sucks, though, because that's basically the last major mass of land that is still in complete British control. I mean, India, Australia, and most other British-controlled territories have become independent states by now. The only other states I can think of are the other Gaelic states, but those are all located on the UK mainlands. (Scotland, Wales, etc.)
These arnt imperial holdings anyway, theyre part of a union, particularly in the case of Scotland. I don't see how Northern Ireland being part of the UK is any worse than Texas being a part of the US. Both we're ensured through violent means at some point or another.
I think most of our detractors outside of Ireland are just English hating bigots. Especially the Irish-Americans and Irish-Australians and Irish-Canadians who act all 'more Irish than thou' and yet never have and never will spill a single drop of blood for their much professed cause.
/Eh. That's another point of it. But still, I'm all for a fully unified island. I mean, it's a very weak analogy, but I view NI being something similar to if the UK still owned Maine or something. It's just my personal opinion and, as I said, it interests me to see a unified Republic.
Also, coming from a yank who doesn't even know where the Irish came in his blood, I'm not against the British at all. They're very nice people when they're not invading your lands and claiming everything you own as their own. But they tend to have an air that presents themselves as trying to be the best of the best. I suppose having an empire where, at one point, you could see the sun rise and set at the same time would make one a bit cocky.
But, that aside, I'm not against working for a cause that supports a unified Republic. One complication lies solely in the fact that I'm an 18-year-old American who doesn't have the money nor time to commit to such a 'professed cause', as you say.
That 'air' you mentioned probably comes with believing you have the moral authority to conquer other countries and order their societies for the better. If self government is truly preferably to good government then I guess places like India and Pakistan got exactly what they wanted. Bad self government.
Also, with respect, I think a lot of American activities in Africa and Latin America throughout the 20th century would have made even some of our worst imperialists blush.
/Aye, that's why I can draw an extremely weak comparison. But a comparison nonetheless.
Now, not to draw away from the argument, I see you brought up Pakistan and India. True, their self-governing hasn't exactly had the best of results, but I'd like to bring another country formerly ruled by the British that has had a bad day with self governing: Iraq. To say Iraq was anything it is now some thousand years ago would be very foolish. A majority of the internal turmoil was the racist comparison that was cluttered through the Middle East. Granted, things could be straightened out easily with a nice chat, but that's pushing it a bit. Basically, when Britain pushed through the world and started Diasporas left and right, it started to throw the balance of the world in the bin. Back to the original point of this paragraph, I'm just saying that while self-governing is a freedom most of the formally-colonized areas enjoy, to say that none of the current conflicts were not the result of Britain's involvement with 'mixing' people would be very idiotic.
The point I make there is that NI would most likely not become an independent state, so the worries of places such as Iraq and Pakistan and India are quite moot.
Oh, and I never said America was a sweet little school girl, either. I just found no reason to bring up the fact that we formerly idealized the fact that acting mute and carrying large, blunt objects was the solution to every problem south of the Tropic of Cancer.