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Post: 41483491_1 created on Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:45 amPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:45 am
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SanFran Chronicle: Gas Prices shift energy opinions

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High gasoline prices have dramatically changed Americans' views on energy and the environment with more people now viewing oil drilling and new power plants as a greater priority than energy conservation than they did five months ago, according to a new survey.

The poll released Tuesday by the Pew Research Center shows nearly half of those surveyed - 47 percent - now rate energy exploration, drilling and building new power plants as the top priority, compared with 35 percent who believed that five months ago.

The Pew poll, conducted in late June, showed the number of people who consider energy conservation as more important declined by 10 percentage points since February from a clear majority to 45 percent. People are now about evenly split on which is more important.

The number of people who said they considered increasing energy supplies more important than protecting the environment increased from 54 percent in February to 60 percent and the number of people who favor oil drilling in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge also increased.


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The shift toward embracing more energy production was seen across different age and political groups, reflecting a change in attitudes among Democrats, independents, women and young people - all groups that in the past have generally championed conservation over energy development.

Among the survey's most astounding findings is the dramatic increase in a span of five months in the support for energy exploration and production among groups that have traditionally championed conservation as being the answer to the country's energy problems.

For example, the percentage of liberals who said expanding energy exploration was their most important priority doubled from 22 percent in February to 45 percent; increased by 19 points to 50 percent among independents; and by 18 points to 46 percent among women.


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GOP candidate John McCain has called for building more nuclear power plants and ending a blanket moratorium on drilling in 85 percent of the country's coastal waters. Democrat Barack Obama has emphasized incentives for conservation and development of alternative energy sources and opposes expanded offshore drilling.


Will Obama's energy policy join many of his associates in that very crowded place under the bus?
 
     
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Post: 41483491_2 created on Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:55 amPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:55 am
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Post: 41483491_3 created on Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:59 amPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:59 am
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Bah. Pour some funding into ITER and DEMO then be done with the matter when it's completed..
 
     


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Post: 41483491_4 created on Sat Jul 05, 2008 2:07 amPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 2:07 am
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"Brothern"
Everyone is an environmentalist until it effects his/her life.
I'm not nor was, so what does that make your statement?
     


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Post: 41483491_5 created on Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:23 amPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:23 am
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"Brothern"
Everyone is an environmentalist until it effects his/her life.
I'm not nor was, so what does that make your statement?


the same as everything brothern says?
 
     



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Post: 41483491_6 created on Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:55 amPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:55 am
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do anything to survive , im for planting trees and cleaning up garbage but drilling in anwor, nuke energy, elemental energy ( wind water solar ect) , coal, and other alternatives need to be used and not taken down before theyre tried to their full potential, except bio-fuels their a horrid idea

speaking on anwor , i dont care if theres an endangered animal there if its in the way of survival i dont give a crap about the animal

coal - we are sitting on a great amount of coal that could be used

elemental - energy because its natural made

nuke energy - , france is almost completely powered by this , its clean and as long as its built well and theres not an idiot at the controls it wont blow up
     
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Post: 41483491_7 created on Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:19 amPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:19 am
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the same as everything brothern says?


You're funny.
 
     


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Post: 41483491_8 created on Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:29 pmPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:29 pm
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the last thing i want to do is throw money and drilling privileges to the very companies that have landed us in this mess.

what if we expand offshore and ANWAR drilling rights and they just take that oil and sell it is Europe and Japan for more profit than they cam get here?

and if we try to make them promise to sell the oil in the US what is to stop them from just taking other shipments destined for is and diverting them to their more profitable markets?

i hope one thing we learn from this mess is that we cannot trust oil companies, even if they relabel themselves as "energy companies", even if they claim to be American.
     
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Post: 41483491_9 created on Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:34 pmPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:34 pm
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the last thing i want to do is throw money and drilling privileges to the very companies that have landed us in this mess.

what if we expand offshore and ANWAR drilling rights and they just take that oil and sell it is Europe and Japan for more profit than they cam get here?

and if we try to make them promise to sell the oil in the US what is to stop them from just taking other shipments destined for is and diverting them to their more profitable markets?

i hope one thing we learn from this mess is that we cannot trust oil companies, even if they relabel themselves as "energy companies", even if they claim to be American.
Most of that oil goes to the American market.

Huh, that is why you regulate them and keep a eye on them like we haven't.
 
     


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Post: 41483491_10 created on Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:54 pmPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:54 pm
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well, we need to do a better job at watching.

those recent congressional hearings were a pitiful farce.

Congress got the oil execs to testify and they growled at them and asked NOTHING pertinent and set them free.

what a circus.
     
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Post: 41483491_11 created on Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:14 pmPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:14 pm
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the last thing i want to do is throw money and drilling privileges to the very companies that have landed us in this mess.
Alternatively, we could let the consumers reap the results of their consumption habits that landed us in this "mess". The eventual result of their consumption habits has been plainly seen for a very long time. If consumers purchased energy with long term effects in mind, chose transportation on more than mere cost and convenience, oil would never have had such a stranglehold on our daily lives. You are blaming firms for merely catering to what consumers wanted.

"chessiejo"
what if we expand offshore and ANWAR drilling rights and they just take that oil and sell it is Europe and Japan for more profit than they cam get here?

and if we try to make them promise to sell the oil in the US what is to stop them from just taking other shipments destined for is and diverting them to their more profitable markets?
Where they sell it is largely irrelevant. If they sold every last bit they could in Europe, it would inflate the supply in Europe, pushing down the price (and decreasing the supply in America and increasing the price). Seeing this other companies would simply redirect their supply away from Europe to more profitable destinations, such as the US.

It is for the same reason why the ban on oil from Iran is insignificant. If it was significant, you would see plenty of clamoring for normalized relations with Iran to reduce the price of oil. In such a competitive and global market, such regulations only create minor inefficiencies.

"chessiejo"
i hope one thing we learn from this mess is that we cannot trust oil companies, even if they relabel themselves as "energy companies", even if they claim to be American.
Alternatively, we've learned that firms will behave pretty much exactly how expected given supply and demand. The demand from consumers is so great that firms will pump oil out of the ground on the other side of the world, ship it around the world, put it through a costly refining process, and deliver to a gas station, probably within a mile of where you live. Even with these dramatic increase in prices that oil companies are "gouging" us, their profit margins are relatively modest.
 
     
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Post: 41483491_12 created on Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:33 pmPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:33 pm
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"chessiejo"
the last thing i want to do is throw money and drilling privileges to the very companies that have landed us in this mess.

what if we expand offshore and ANWAR drilling rights and they just take that oil and sell it is Europe and Japan for more profit than they cam get here?

and if we try to make them promise to sell the oil in the US what is to stop them from just taking other shipments destined for is and diverting them to their more profitable markets?

i hope one thing we learn from this mess is that we cannot trust oil companies, even if they relabel themselves as "energy companies", even if they claim to be American.


Speculators play a role in this, as well as the environmentalists. So lets point fingers at all parties involved, not merely those that the media tells you to. We have not been allowed to build a new refinery in this country in over 20 years. Thanks, enviro whackos. We have limited opportunies to drill, and those that are most beneficial are clamped down on.
By letting OPEC actually control most of the oil that goes out, they can slow production as they choose to drive the price up as well. So lets all take our turn on the blame game.
     


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Post: 41483491_13 created on Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:50 pmPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:50 pm
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"chessiejo"
the last thing i want to do is throw money and drilling privileges to the very companies that have landed us in this mess.

what if we expand offshore and ANWAR drilling rights and they just take that oil and sell it is Europe and Japan for more profit than they cam get here?

and if we try to make them promise to sell the oil in the US what is to stop them from just taking other shipments destined for is and diverting them to their more profitable markets?

i hope one thing we learn from this mess is that we cannot trust oil companies, even if they relabel themselves as "energy companies", even if they claim to be American.


Speculators play a role in this, as well as the environmentalists. So lets point fingers at all parties involved, not merely those that the media tells you to. We have not been allowed to build a new refinery in this country in over 20 years. Thanks, enviro whackos. We have limited opportunies to drill, and those that are most beneficial are clamped down on.
By letting OPEC actually control most of the oil that goes out, they can slow production as they choose to drive the price up as well. So lets all take our turn on the blame game.


i completely agree about the speculators!

and the same can be said for housing prices (for the folly of which we are now paying) and even food/agricultural products.

now it seems there has been a federal agency on Wall street which is supposed to discourage this kind of speculation in basic necessities, but it has been told by the White House to just 'study" the situation and do nothing! i guess regulation of speculators who wreck markets is "bad for business".

so now Congress wants to step in and make sure the agency does do its job, and major brokerage firms like Goldman Sachs are lobbying to prevent that action! (oh and why is all the relevant news so much easier to get on Reuters than on American outlets?)
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1933803520080619
like this blog says, it is as if Wall Street is its own nation with no concern for American well being.
http://carfamily.wordpress.com/2008/06/25/the-truth-about-oil-drilling-and-speculation/
 
     
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Post: 41483491_14 created on Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:44 pmPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:44 pm
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i guess regulation of speculators who wreck markets is "bad for business".
Two things:
1) Prove that speculators "wreck the market", specifically when dealing with futures markets.
2) The methods for reigning in speculation would cause the NYMEX to forfeit significant market share, which accelerates the decline of American prominence in yet another field, and one of the few we still had an advantage in. If there is no evidence that mitigating speculation as such will lead to a decline in prices, there is no discernible reason to do so.
     
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Post: 41483491_15 created on Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:17 pmPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:17 pm
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I really don't understand how speculators "increase" prices in an oil futures market.
 
     

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