Fort Hood Shooting (The Little Thread That Could)

[Mokie7]

Lord Cameron

Chains4w

A man in traditional Muslim garb enters a building full of soldiers attempting to sort our pre-deployment paperwork, shouts (reportedly) "Allah Akbar" and then shoots up the whole ******** place. A man who apparently had qualms with killing fellow Muslims, and who (again, allegedly) compared suicide bombers to soldiers who jump on grenades to save their comrades. What do those pieces make you think of?

What outrages me is that many are trying to paint this blatant terrorist as a victim of PTSD. ******** idiots. His computer has been seized. That will clear up any doubts, I think.

I'm just glad we got the ******** alive. There are some people who are going to have a bit of fun with him, I think. A lot of people were hurt in that room. You never know who's friends with the interrogating officer.

Ah I get it, this is a pro-torture propaganda media OP.

There you have it. I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody tried to propagandize this story.

[Lord Cameron]

Mokie7

Lord Cameron

Chains4w

A man in traditional Muslim garb enters a building full of soldiers attempting to sort our pre-deployment paperwork, shouts (reportedly) "Allah Akbar" and then shoots up the whole ******** place. A man who apparently had qualms with killing fellow Muslims, and who (again, allegedly) compared suicide bombers to soldiers who jump on grenades to save their comrades. What do those pieces make you think of?

What outrages me is that many are trying to paint this blatant terrorist as a victim of PTSD. ******** idiots. His computer has been seized. That will clear up any doubts, I think.

I'm just glad we got the ******** alive. There are some people who are going to have a bit of fun with him, I think. A lot of people were hurt in that room. You never know who's friends with the interrogating officer.

Ah I get it, this is a pro-torture propaganda media OP.

There you have it. I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody tried to propagandize this story.

Whenever you see solders fuming in rage crying for torture, just remember "We're America and we don't torture!"

Or else, you're losing to the powers that be.

[Mokie7]

Lord Cameron

Mokie7

Lord Cameron

Chains4w

A man in traditional Muslim garb enters a building full of soldiers attempting to sort our pre-deployment paperwork, shouts (reportedly) "Allah Akbar" and then shoots up the whole ******** place. A man who apparently had qualms with killing fellow Muslims, and who (again, allegedly) compared suicide bombers to soldiers who jump on grenades to save their comrades. What do those pieces make you think of?

What outrages me is that many are trying to paint this blatant terrorist as a victim of PTSD. ******** idiots. His computer has been seized. That will clear up any doubts, I think.

I'm just glad we got the ******** alive. There are some people who are going to have a bit of fun with him, I think. A lot of people were hurt in that room. You never know who's friends with the interrogating officer.

Ah I get it, this is a pro-torture propaganda media OP.

There you have it. I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody tried to propagandize this story.

Whenever you see solders fuming in rage crying for torture, just remember "We're America and we don't torture!"

Or else, you're losing to the powers that be.

I was referring to Unami, btw.

[Pepe Le PoKi]

Que?

BBC

1330 local time (1930GMT): Major Nidal Malik Hasan, dressed in army uniform, enters the Soldier Readiness Center, armed with two non-military issue pistols, including a semi-automatic.

Over a period of about 10 minutes he kills 12 soldiers and one civilian and injures 30 other people.

About 400 people are at the centre, where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning from operations come for medical screening.

Military police and civilian officers of the Department of the Army return fire.

Some soldiers treat their injured colleagues by ripping their uniforms to make bandages. Other soldiers close off nearby Howze Theater where about 600 people are attending a graduation ceremony for 138 soldiers.

Initial reports say the gunman is dead. It later emerges one of the victims was mistaken for the attacker. The Fort Hood compound is shut down. No-one is allowed in or out as a search is carried out for further suspects.

1830 (0230 GMT): Fort Hood declared safe.

1900 (0300 GMT): Spokesman Lt Gen Bob Cone, a base spokesmen, announces Maj Hasan is alive. He describes him as a "sole" gunman.

Maj Hasan had been shot four times by a female officer who was herself injured. He is in hospital on a ventilator, in a stable condition, and under armed guard.

2100 (0500 GMT): Fort Hood opened up but security is high.

Early Friday morning: Police search Maj Hasan's flat in nearby town of Killeen.

Day of mourning observed at Fort Hood.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8346315.stm

MOAR BBC

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Maj Hasan, 39, was born and raised in Virginia. His parents moved to the US from a Palestinian town near Jerusalem, according to his cousin.

After high school he joined the US Army, which put him through medical school.

He has been described as devout and discreet. A local imam told the Washington Post that he attended daily prayers at a mosque when he worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington DC.

"We hardly ever got to discussing politics," Faizul Khan said. "Mostly we were discussing religious matters, nothing too controversial, nothing like an extremist."

In other comments Mr Khan said that Maj Hasan had tried, but failed, to find an equally religious woman to marry.

On a form for those looking for spouses through the mosque he listed his birthplace as Arlington, Virginia, but his nationality as Palestinian, Mr Khan said.
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Reports suggested in recent years he had become unhappy in the military. He had recently been transferred to Fort Hood.

His cousin said he had faced harassment over his "Middle Eastern ethnicity" and had been trying to leave the army.

His aunt, Noel Hasan, also blamed his desire to be discharged on harassment.
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"He had listened to all of that, and he wanted out of the military, and they would not let him leave, even after he offered to repay."
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She said Maj Hasan had spent holidays and free time at her house, and that he "did not make many friends".

He had joined the military over the wishes of his parents, who have since died, his aunt said. Despite his recent attempts to leave, "he would tell us the military was his life".

Several reports said Maj Hasan was about to be deployed overseas against his wishes.
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However, Maj Hasan was "mostly very quiet", and never spoke ill of the military or his country, Dr Grieger added.

"He swore an oath of loyalty to the military," he said. "I didn't hear anything contrary to those oaths."

Col Terry Lee, who is retired but said he had worked with Hasan, told Fox that Maj Hasan had often got into arguments with military colleagues who supported the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Maj Hasan had hoped that US President Barack Obama would pull troops out, Col Lee said.

One official was quoted by the New York Times as saying that the FBI had become aware of internet postings by a man calling himself Nidal Hasan.

In one such posting, the act of a suicide bomber who kills himself to protect Muslims was compared to a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to protect other soldiers.

However, officials said they had not confirmed that Maj Hasan was the author of the postings.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8345944.stm

[The Infamous Unami]

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Whenever you see solders fuming in rage crying for torture, just remember "We're America and we don't torture!"

Of course we don't. Torture's illegal, don' cha know? But we do interrogate. And sometimes we interrogate people very hard.

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Or else, you're losing to the powers that be.

Losing what?

[Lord Cameron]

Chains4w

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Whenever you see solders fuming in rage crying for torture, just remember "We're America and we don't torture!"

Of course we don't. Torture's illegal, don' cha know? But we do interrogate. And sometimes we interrogate people very hard.

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Or else, you're losing to the powers that be.

Losing what?

Just wait until you're accused of murder and are on the receiving end of hard interrogation

And lose what? (not you because you're already pro torture) You're losing your humane view point.

[The Infamous Unami]

LilPoKPoKi

Que?

From the AP:

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The shooting spree began as some 300 soldiers had been lined up to get vaccinations and have their eyes tested at a Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening. Nearby, others were lining up in commencement robes for a ceremony to celebrate troops and families who had recently earned degrees.

Soldiers reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" — an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" — before opening fire, said Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the base commander. He said officials had not yet confirmed that Hasan made the comment.

As to his clothing choice...

[Lord Cameron]

Mokie7

Lord Cameron

Mokie7

Lord Cameron

Chains4w

A man in traditional Muslim garb enters a building full of soldiers attempting to sort our pre-deployment paperwork, shouts (reportedly) "Allah Akbar" and then shoots up the whole ******** place. A man who apparently had qualms with killing fellow Muslims, and who (again, allegedly) compared suicide bombers to soldiers who jump on grenades to save their comrades. What do those pieces make you think of?

What outrages me is that many are trying to paint this blatant terrorist as a victim of PTSD. ******** idiots. His computer has been seized. That will clear up any doubts, I think.

I'm just glad we got the ******** alive. There are some people who are going to have a bit of fun with him, I think. A lot of people were hurt in that room. You never know who's friends with the interrogating officer.

Ah I get it, this is a pro-torture propaganda media OP.

There you have it. I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody tried to propagandize this story.

Whenever you see solders fuming in rage crying for torture, just remember "We're America and we don't torture!"

Or else, you're losing to the powers that be.

I was referring to Unami, btw.

like what he said was original

[Wendigo]

About his motivation:

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In an interview, his aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, said he had endured name-calling and harassment about his Muslim faith for years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and had sought for several years to be discharged from the military.

"I know what that is like," she said. "Some people can take it, and some cannot. He had listened to all of that, and he wanted out of the military, and they would not let him leave even after he offered to repay" for his medical training.

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He had been affected by the physical and mental injuries he saw while working as a psychiatrist at Walter Reed for nearly eight years, according to his aunt. "He must have snapped," Noel Hasan said. "They ignored him. It was not hard to know when he was upset. He was not a fighter, even as a child and young man. But when he became upset, his face turns red." She said Hasan had consulted with a lawyer about getting out of the service.

On the rare occasions when he spoke of his work in any detail, the aunt said, Hasan told her of soldiers wracked by what they had seen. One patient had suffered burns to his face so intense "that his face had nearly melted," she said. "He told us how upsetting that was to him."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/06/AR2009110600907_pf.html

It stands to reason that his pending deployment was not the initial motivating factor, but that given the overall picture of things, it didn't help things any. He was in an already stressful situation, and poised to enter a worse one. Stress is known to trigger mental illness.

[The Infamous Unami]

Wendigo

Stress is known to trigger mental illness.

Is being a butt-hurt Muslim fanatic known to trigger periods of terroristic bloodshed preceded by verbal religious outbursts?

Goodness! We've discovered a mental illness!

[Pepe Le PoKi]

Chains4w

LilPoKPoKi

Que?

From the AP:

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The shooting spree began as some 300 soldiers had been lined up to get vaccinations and have their eyes tested at a Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening. Nearby, others were lining up in commencement robes for a ceremony to celebrate troops and families who had recently earned degrees.

Soldiers reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" — an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" — before opening fire, said Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the base commander. He said officials had not yet confirmed that Hasan made the comment.

I wasn't denying that there was a possibility that he said that, I was just correcting the statement that he came in with "muslim" garb.

And that attacks on soldiers are not considered as terrorist attacks. Terrorism is the deliberate targeting of non-combatants.

And saying "God is Great" does not make one automatically an extremist or terrorist.
It's like saying people who say, "Oh my god", "Jesus Christ", "Bless you" are terrorist or extremists, because the phrase "Allah o ackbar" has all those connotations.


But I guess in your world, Middle Easterners are not capable of being born with mental problems; therefore, they are all terrorists.

I've got to say he is one idiotic terrorist to waste his life away in Medical School just for this one fateful day.

Though I'll give it to you that he was an idiot to begin with because for some retarded reason he didn't think that a war with a Middle Eastern country was possible.
Express your desires with what you want to have done with this guy, but to pick at his religion and call him a terrorist when the evidence does not yet point in that direction is a different thing.

[Wendigo]

Chains4w

Wendigo

Stress is known to trigger mental illness.

Is being a butt-hurt Muslim fanatic known to trigger periods of terroristic bloodshed preceded by verbal religious outbursts?

Goodness! We've discovered a mental illness!

What does this have to do with terrorism, any more than what Cho did or what Kazmierczak did were acts of terrorism? It's murder, one might go so far as to call it mass murder, but it's blatantly obvious that the perpetrator is disturbed. Neither his ethnicity nor his religion changes that.

[The Infamous Unami]

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I wasn't denying that there was a possibility that he said that, I was just correcting the statement that he came in with "muslim" garb.

CNN reported that he did just that, and had "exclusive" video of him shortly before the incident took place. In Muslim garb.

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And that attacks on soldiers are not considered as terrorist attacks. Terrorism is the deliberate targeting of non-combatants.

The USS Cole bombing is considered a terrorist attack. The Pentagon Strike is considered a terrorist attack. The bombing of the Marine Barracks in Lebanon is considered a terrorist attack.

What do all three of those terrorist attacks have in common? You fail at semantics, so don't even bother.

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And saying "God is Great" does not make one automatically an extremist or terrorist.
It's like saying people who say, "Oh my god", "Jesus Christ", "Bless you" are terrorist or extremists, because the phrase "Allah o ackbar" has all those connotations.

I just laughed very hard. Out loud. Your apologetics never cease to amuse me.

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But I guess in your world, Middle Easterners are not capable of being born with mental problems; therefore, they are all terrorists.

In my world, a terrorist is called a ********] terrorist, not made out to be some hapless victim of a bad Father and meanie mean co-workers.

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I've got to say he is one idiotic terrorist to waste his life away in Medical School just for this one fateful day.

He got a s**t ton more press, and killed a lot more people than most of the ******** we're killing in Afghanistan right now.

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Express your desires with what you want to have done with this guy, but to pick at his religion and call him a terrorist when the evidence does not yet point in that direction is a different thing.

I'm picking at his religion for several reasons:
1. What he shouted right before he killed 13 people and attempted to kill dozens more. It just so happens to be the same, stereotypical thing that our enemy shouts before and during an attack.
2. His choice of dress, on a work day, shortly before if not during the attack it's self.
3. His now famous qualms about deploying to kill "other Muslims."
4. That no one, including his colleagues, diagnosed or suspected anything was wrong beyond mild anxiety. Keep in mind that this man worked closely with other psychiatrists. They didn't think he was ill?
5. Reports that he was picked on for being a Muslim (welcome to the military of post- 9/11)

I'm picking at his religion because it seems to have an awful lot to do with this incident, wouldn't you agree?

[The Infamous Unami]

Wendigo

Chains4w

Wendigo

Stress is known to trigger mental illness.

Is being a butt-hurt Muslim fanatic known to trigger periods of terroristic bloodshed preceded by verbal religious outbursts?

Goodness! We've discovered a mental illness!

What does this have to do with terrorism, any more than what Cho did or what Kazmierczak did were acts of terrorism? It's murder, one might go so far as to call it mass murder, but it's blatantly obvious that the perpetrator is disturbed. Neither his ethnicity nor his religion changes that.

Riddle me this: Do you think most of the people we're currently fighting are "disturbed?" I think most of them fit that description. Fit it quite well in fact. Poor, stressed, from abusive backgrounds, brainwashed... None of them are terrorists either, are they?

No, I reject your "No true Scotsman" bull s**t. If it shouts like a terrorist, if it dresses like a terrorist, if it would rather kill Americans than Muslims like a terrorist and if it enacts a preplanned attack on defenseless people like a terrorist... it's a terrorist.

[Wendigo]

Chains4w

Riddle me this: Do you think most of the people we're currently fighting are "disturbed?"

No, and I also think that most of them don't spend eight years acting as the liaison between wounded soldiers and Walter Reed's psych staff before killing people. Quite an investment, given that had he intended to, he could have done this at any point in the last eight years.

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a preplanned attack on defenseless people

Why do you characterize it as being preplanned? Where did you see evidence of a pre-existing plan?