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Will there be a draft?

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Zach McClure


At least the volunteer knew what they were getting themselves into when they signed up. The draftee doesn't get that choice. The volunteer, while he may not want to be in the present situation, wants to be in the military. And, to be honest, I've never yet met someone wanting to join the military who didn't have the mentality, to a certain extent, of "I wanna go to war and kill someone."


Ever heard of the "poverty draft"?

Many who "volunteer" feel they have no option to get money for college, or just a job. See:

How Washington's warlords are... Sending the poor to war
http://www.socialistworker.org/2003-2/459/459_05_PoorToWar.shtml

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The lower ranks of the U.S. military are filled by the working poor--young men and women who entered the military because of the promise of job training, government subsidies for college and an alternative to minimum-wage jobs. This is the impact of the "poverty draft"--what the military has relied on to drum up volunteers since conscription ended in the 1970s. But the economic problems that drive many people into the military often follow them into the barracks.

A recent Defense Department study concluded that 40 percent of low-ranking soldiers face "substantial financial difficulties." And no wonder. While the average officer in the higher-ranking grades can count on fixed pay and a benefit package that can rise into the six-figure range, the majority of enlisted soldiers receive no more than a poverty wage--on average, around $1,300 a month.

Another consequence of class inequality in the military can be seen in the disproportionate numbers of minorities. African Americans and Latinos are heavily concentrated in the lower ranks, while deeply entrenched racism ensures that no more than a token number of minorities climb the ranks into the officer corps.

While Blacks make up about 12 percent of the U.S. population, they comprise 22 percent of the military. Half of the enlisted women in the military are Black. It was therefore no surprise that 20 percent of U.S. casualties from the invasion of Iraq until the fall of Baghdad were Black. Together, Blacks and Latinos accounted for more than one-third of the casualties.


Also, 39% of those in Iraq are Reserves, or National Guard, so they are the so-called "weekend warriors" who ususlly help out in times of flood and earthquakes, but never really expected to be on active duty in a war. See:

U.S. Army Reservists in Iraq on the Front Lines, a Place Most Thought They Would Never Be Sent
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBW4RMXZWD.html

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When Harper, a 32-year-old mother of two from Benton, Ark., finished three years on active duty in the Army, she joined the Army Reserve to continue serving her country in a way that allowed her to raise kids and stay home with them.

Ten years later, she and hundreds of other reservists are stationed at Log Base Seitz, a logistical camp near Baghdad International Airport that comes under regular mortar fire from insurgents living in nearby Abu Ghraib town. She has been here six months, with six more months to go.

"I thought being in the Reserve meant we wouldn't go overseas until all the active duty had gone first," Harper said. "Honestly, people go into the Reserve not to be sent here."

But with the U.S. Army spread thin across Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Germany and a dozen other countries, the Pentagon relies on reservists and National Guard troops to serve in combat zones, often for longer terms than their active duty counterparts.
They can't reinstate the draft, to do that we would have to actual declare war on someone. Right now we are fighting an idea, terrorism is not a country. Besides, soldiers who volunteer fight better than those forced to. Also, you people bore me.

Kaze Drimn's Prince

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divinitysyndrome
They can't reinstate the draft, to do that we would have to actual declare war on someone.

Yeah, because we declared war on Vietnam, you know.

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Right now we are fighting an idea, terrorism is not a country.

And it's something we'll have to get used to with the utopian idealists we have in office. That's why we're worried about a draft, they're doing a miserable job at it.

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Besides, soldiers who volunteer fight better than those forced to.

Strength in numbers? I would rather have 350,000 mediocre troops with training than 120,000 well-trained career warriors. Don't get me wrong, a draft would be a horrible idea since we're fighting a war for people's ideas. However the big-shots don't realize that, and that's the scary part.

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Also, you people bore me.

I'm sorry that we have opinions more based in fact than yours. It must not be easy living in your own little world. Stick around, maybe you'll learn something.
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I'm sorry that we have opinions more based in fact than yours. It must not be easy living in your own little world. Stick around, maybe you'll learn something.


*applauds*

Distinct Informer

ERRORCode2002

Strength in numbers? I would rather have 350,000 mediocre troops with training than 120,000 well-trained career warriors. Don't get me wrong, a draft would be a horrible idea since we're fighting a war for people's ideas. However the big-shots don't realize that, and that's the scary part.


Yeah that is how we won the Revolutionary War we out numbered the British by over one million soldiers *ends sarcasm*.
doesnt realy affect me all to much, i dont think there will be one, im joining anyway

Distinct Informer

stalebsicuit
doesnt realy affect me all to much, i dont think there will be one, im joining anyway


Very good man joining the military. I am immuned to the draft due to I am the only son. Like you I am joining too.

Kaze Drimn's Prince

Lavish Businessman

Pwn3r_F0x
ERRORCode2002

Strength in numbers? I would rather have 350,000 mediocre troops with training than 120,000 well-trained career warriors. Don't get me wrong, a draft would be a horrible idea since we're fighting a war for people's ideas. However the big-shots don't realize that, and that's the scary part.


Yeah that is how we won the Revolutionary War we out numbered the British by over one million soldiers *ends sarcasm*.

We also had help from the French, and from what I understand the British weren't particularly interested in fighting. Plus we used guerilla warfare, which is what the Viet Cong used on us and what the insurgents in Iraq are using on us right now.
ERRORCode2002
Pwn3r_F0x
ERRORCode2002

Strength in numbers? I would rather have 350,000 mediocre troops with training than 120,000 well-trained career warriors. Don't get me wrong, a draft would be a horrible idea since we're fighting a war for people's ideas. However the big-shots don't realize that, and that's the scary part.


Yeah that is how we won the Revolutionary War we out numbered the British by over one million soldiers *ends sarcasm*.

We also had help from the French, and from what I understand the British weren't particularly interested in fighting. Plus we used guerilla warfare, which is what the Viet Cong used on us and what the insurgents in Iraq are using on us right now.


Yeah we had help from the French. Sort of. Napoleon sent over a few troops, La Fayette being the most notable of them. About the only useful thing they did was help us get the capitol back. Really, they were pretty useless. The revolutionary war was won because the British never sent in the best of their best, and because the colonists had some brilliant minds on their side. But back on topic, again, 10,000 poorly trained troops, while they have the strength in numbers, will get slaughtered as well. I'd rather see fewer casualties than more, despite the apperant efficiancy of the tactic.
hey, did you know that the draft skips over people with ADHD?

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Little do the suckas know that by doing that, they're cuttin off like 80% of america!
Oh yes, it's lucky we live in america where we are free to have our own opinion and freedom of voice....... heart

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TrulyBlonde_Scorpi
Oh yes, it's lucky we live in america where we are free to have our own opinion and freedom of voice....... heart


And you think people elsewhere don't have their own opinions?

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