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So by the same extension, anyone who works on Sundays, or is married after having been divorced, should also have their kid removed. Also if they're a banker or in some other way rely on interest and financial manipulation to make their money.
Hey, some people have no choice but to work on Sundays.


Whether or not working on a Sunday is a choice or genetic, it's still against the teachings of the Bible. The Catholic Church ought to be consistent.
Since the Church was established before the New Testament was written, the Bible is adjunct to the teaching authority, not the other way around.

Anyway, it's not absolutely forbidden to work on Sunday if it's necessary. Just like, according to the requisites of sin, it's not a sin to steal a loaf of bread if you need it to eat and thus live.


I must have missed the "Unless it's inconvenient" clause in Leviticus.
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2) If the Old Testament was overruled, then WHAT THE ******** BUSINESS DO CHURCH LEADERS HAVE CONDEMNING HOMOSEXUALITY??!?!?!?!?!
St. Paul still reaffirmed the homosexual prohibitions of the old Mosaic Law.

Except the killing them part.
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Kaworu 17
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So by the same extension, anyone who works on Sundays, or is married after having been divorced, should also have their kid removed. Also if they're a banker or in some other way rely on interest and financial manipulation to make their money.
Hey, some people have no choice but to work on Sundays.


Whether or not working on a Sunday is a choice or genetic, it's still against the teachings of the Bible. The Catholic Church ought to be consistent.
Since the Church was established before the New Testament was written, the Bible is adjunct to the teaching authority, not the other way around.

Anyway, it's not absolutely forbidden to work on Sunday if it's necessary. Just like, according to the requisites of sin, it's not a sin to steal a loaf of bread if you need it to eat and thus live.


I must have missed the "Unless it's inconvenient" clause in Leviticus.
If you want to interpret the Sabbath clause the way it's interpreted in Judaism, I suggest you take it up with them.
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Omnileech
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Omnileech
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Omnileech
Why do you think it's ok for catholics to persecute small children? The one being punished is the child. For nothing within that child's control whatsoever.
Punished? They're doing him a favor. I'd rather leave than be forced to stay a in a place where I know they would be talking s**t about my parents behind my back every single day.


What you personally prefer means jack s**t. Why do you support a catholic school persecuting a child?
How is it persecution when you are taking him out of, what you would call, a hostile environment? rolleyes


In schools with the teachers creating hostile environments you punish the aggressor or the teacher, not the student. In any situation with a teacher harassing the student it's an instant disciplinary action to the teacher. Of course you call the environment hostile without any evidence of knowing or presuming to know the instructors because you assume that all catholic teachers are bigots?
As someone who is joining the Anti-Catholic hate spree on the thread, I would think that you are the one who's assuming that.


I'm not assuming a hostile teaching environment. You are. You are assuming that a teacher would be allowed to belittle and berate a small child's parents in front of a class and still have a job.
Omnileech
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Omnileech
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Omnileech


What you personally prefer means jack s**t. Why do you support a catholic school persecuting a child?
How is it persecution when you are taking him out of, what you would call, a hostile environment? rolleyes


In schools with the teachers creating hostile environments you punish the aggressor or the teacher, not the student. In any situation with a teacher harassing the student it's an instant disciplinary action to the teacher. Of course you call the environment hostile without any evidence of knowing or presuming to know the instructors because you assume that all catholic teachers are bigots?
As someone who is joining the Anti-Catholic hate spree on the thread, I would think that you are the one who's assuming that.


I'm not assuming a hostile teaching environment. You are. You are assuming that a teacher would be allowed to belittle and berate a small child's parents in front of a class and still have a job.
Yes, you are. Let me guess, the Church is an oppressive machine of hate, right? Right. Catholic schools are run by the Church. Therefore, they are instruments of hateful education. Right?

You're assuming that it is somehow wrong or unlawful for a private organization to decide who's in and who's out. Just because the kid's parents are lesbians doesn't mean they made the best parental decision. Gays can make mistakes too. Of course you can't admit that because it's un-PC.
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2) If the Old Testament was overruled, then WHAT THE ******** BUSINESS DO CHURCH LEADERS HAVE CONDEMNING HOMOSEXUALITY??!?!?!?!?!
St. Paul still reaffirmed the homosexual prohibitions of the old Mosaic Law.

Except the killing them part.


Really? Where did he do that? Romans?


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You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?

But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God "will give to each person according to what he has done."[a] To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.

All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
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2) If the Old Testament was overruled, then WHAT THE ******** BUSINESS DO CHURCH LEADERS HAVE CONDEMNING HOMOSEXUALITY??!?!?!?!?!
St. Paul still reaffirmed the homosexual prohibitions of the old Mosaic Law.

Except the killing them part.


Really? Where did he do that? Romans?
1 Corinthians and Timothy.

Oh and Jude.
I think you miss the point.

If one grants that Catholics may do whatever is immoral as long as it followed their religion, and grants that their religion excludes the Old Testament- none of which is valid to exclude, but even giving these- one still can't escape the charge of hypocrisy because the children of divorced and remarried parents are not excluded, because children of women who speak in church are not excluded, because children of those who have sex out of wedlock are not excluded, etc., etc..

Not that any of this is valid because both Jesus and Paul explicitly say that the Old Law remains in effect and that followers should not judge others.

Rather than being hidebound by their religion, Catholics and Christians generally use it as an excuse to justify that which they want to do anyway, and ignore the rest.
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Omnileech
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Omnileech
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Omnileech


What you personally prefer means jack s**t. Why do you support a catholic school persecuting a child?
How is it persecution when you are taking him out of, what you would call, a hostile environment? rolleyes


In schools with the teachers creating hostile environments you punish the aggressor or the teacher, not the student. In any situation with a teacher harassing the student it's an instant disciplinary action to the teacher. Of course you call the environment hostile without any evidence of knowing or presuming to know the instructors because you assume that all catholic teachers are bigots?
As someone who is joining the Anti-Catholic hate spree on the thread, I would think that you are the one who's assuming that.


I'm not assuming a hostile teaching environment. You are. You are assuming that a teacher would be allowed to belittle and berate a small child's parents in front of a class and still have a job.
Yes, you are. Let me guess, the Church is an oppressive machine of hate, right? Right. Catholic schools are run by the Church. Therefore, they are instruments of hateful education. Right?

You're assuming that it is somehow wrong or unlawful for a private organization to decide who's in and who's out. Just because the kid's parents are lesbians doesn't mean they made the best parental decision. Gays can make mistakes too. Of course you can't admit that because it's un-PC.


You're intentionally melding together teachers and school policy. Because you suck at debate so much you have to put words in my mouth and attribute your words to mine. Who said a small child with lesbian parents would face a hostile environment from teachers? Me? Or you?

What I said is that the school is punishing and persecuting a child for having homosexual parents, and that you are ok with that. Because you are. You don't care one bit about a child forced to relocate to another school because the school administration has a grudge against homosexuals.
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So by the same extension, anyone who works on Sundays, or is married after having been divorced, should also have their kid removed. Also if they're a banker or in some other way rely on interest and financial manipulation to make their money.
Hey, some people have no choice but to work on Sundays.


Whether or not working on a Sunday is a choice or genetic, it's still against the teachings of the Bible. The Catholic Church ought to be consistent.


Old Testament, not New. That was overruled in the New Testament.


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Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


2) If the Old Testament was overruled, then WHAT THE ******** BUSINESS DO CHURCH LEADERS HAVE CONDEMNING HOMOSEXUALITY??!?!?!?!?!


Corinthians and Timothy or whatever. Some s**t they made up.
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2) If the Old Testament was overruled, then WHAT THE ******** BUSINESS DO CHURCH LEADERS HAVE CONDEMNING HOMOSEXUALITY??!?!?!?!?!
St. Paul still reaffirmed the homosexual prohibitions of the old Mosaic Law.

Except the killing them part.


Really? Where did he do that? Romans?
1 Corinthians and Timothy.

Oh and Jude.


I'll just leave this here.
Omnileech
You're intentionally melding together teachers and school policy. Because you suck at debate so much you have to put words in my mouth and attribute your words to mine. Who said a small child with lesbian parents would face a hostile environment from teachers? Me? Or you?

What I said is that the school is punishing and persecuting a child for having homosexual parents, and that you are ok with that. Because you are. You don't care one bit about a child forced to relocate to another school because the school administration has a grudge against homosexuals.
Don't deny what you feel.

You don't care one bit about religious freedom, the rights of private institutions, etc. thrown right out of the window on a whim just because you and the other Anti-Catholics of the thread have a grudge against Catholicism.
Appel Juice
Kaworu 17
Vercingetorix VII
Kaworu 17
Vercingetorix VII
2) If the Old Testament was overruled, then WHAT THE ******** BUSINESS DO CHURCH LEADERS HAVE CONDEMNING HOMOSEXUALITY??!?!?!?!?!
St. Paul still reaffirmed the homosexual prohibitions of the old Mosaic Law.

Except the killing them part.


Really? Where did he do that? Romans?
1 Corinthians and Timothy.

Oh and Jude.


I'll just leave this here.
This one's better, it's actually sourced.
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Omnileech
You're intentionally melding together teachers and school policy. Because you suck at debate so much you have to put words in my mouth and attribute your words to mine. Who said a small child with lesbian parents would face a hostile environment from teachers? Me? Or you?

What I said is that the school is punishing and persecuting a child for having homosexual parents, and that you are ok with that. Because you are. You don't care one bit about a child forced to relocate to another school because the school administration has a grudge against homosexuals.
Don't deny what you feel.

You don't care one bit about religious freedom, the rights of private institutions, etc. thrown right out of the window on a whim just because you and the other Anti-Catholics of the thread have a grudge against Catholicism.

Translated: B'awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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2) If the Old Testament was overruled, then WHAT THE ******** BUSINESS DO CHURCH LEADERS HAVE CONDEMNING HOMOSEXUALITY??!?!?!?!?!
St. Paul still reaffirmed the homosexual prohibitions of the old Mosaic Law.

Except the killing them part.


Really? Where did he do that? Romans?
1 Corinthians and Timothy.

Oh and Jude.


I'll just leave this here.
This one's better, it's actually sourced.


Eh. ******** it. When it comes to these things, there's only one source, and it's full of horseshit, anyway.

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