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*Link to the news*

Bush seeks to pass a bill where buried deep inside it, is a statement pardoning him from any criminal acts, torture and mistreatment against detainees of war. Just check out the video above.

Another horrible thing is this was 15 months ago...and Bush hasn't been impeached, prosecuted or anything.

If your wondering why hasn't this gotten the attention it deserves, that is a very good question.

*Just look at the google results for all the news articles to it*
 
     
 
It is amazing congress tries to impeach President Clinton for doing what politicians do that being lying. President Bush how ever can get away with much more heinous crimes.
     
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The ''pardon'' is buried in Bush's proposed legislation to create a new kind of military tribunal for cases involving top al-Qaida operatives. The ''pardon'' provision has nothing to do with the tribunals. Instead, it guts the War Crimes Act of 1996, a federal law that makes it a crime, in some cases punishable by death, to mistreat detainees in violation of the Geneva Conventions and makes the new, weaker terms of the War Crimes Act retroactive to 9/11.

Press accounts of the provision have described it as providing immunity for CIA interrogators. But its terms cover the president and other top officials because the act applies to any U.S. national.

It's not a pardon, and the author of this article knew it. It's only a weakening of the War Crimes Act, then made retroactive.

In other words, it means that Interrogators never committed a crime in the first place. No Pardon necessary. Further, this was a piece of legislation, not an executive order... which means that this would be an act of Congress, not the President.

Spin spin spin...
 
     
 
You Undisciplined Thing
t's not a pardon, and the author of this article knew it. It's only a weakening of the War Crimes Act, then made retroactive.

Show the article.
     
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You Undisciplined Thing
t's not a pardon, and the author of this article knew it. It's only a weakening of the War Crimes Act, then made retroactive.

Show the article.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0923-22.htm
 
     
 
You Undisciplined Thing
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You Undisciplined Thing
t's not a pardon, and the author of this article knew it. It's only a weakening of the War Crimes Act, then made retroactive.

Show the article.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0923-22.htm


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Thirty-two years ago, President Gerald Ford created a political firestorm by pardoning former President Richard Nixon of all crimes he may have committed in Watergate -- and lost his election as a result. Now, President Bush, to avoid a similar public outcry, is quietly trying to pardon himself of any crimes connected with the torture and mistreatment of U.S. detainees.

The ''pardon'' is buried in Bush's proposed legislation to create a new kind of military tribunal for cases involving top al-Qaida operatives. The ''pardon'' provision has nothing to do with the tribunals. Instead, it guts the War Crimes Act of 1996, a federal law that makes it a crime, in some cases punishable by death, to mistreat detainees in violation of the Geneva Conventions and makes the new, weaker terms of the War Crimes Act retroactive to 9/11.

Press accounts of the provision have described it as providing immunity for CIA interrogators. But its terms cover the president and other top officials because the act applies to any U.S. national.

Avoiding prosecution under the War Crimes Act has been an obsession of this administration since shortly after 9/11. In a January 2002 memorandum to the president, then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales pointed out the problem of prosecution for detainee mistreatment under the War Crimes Act. He notes that given the vague language of the statute, no one could predict what future ''prosecutors and independent counsels'' might do if they decided to bring charges under the act. As an author of the 1978 special prosecutor statute, I know that independent counsels (who used to be called ''special prosecutors'' prior to the statute's reauthorization in 1994) aren't for low-level government officials such as CIA interrogators, but for the president and his Cabinet. It is clear that Gonzales was concerned about top administration officials.

Gonzales also understood that the specter of prosecution could hang over top administration officials involved in detainee mistreatment throughout their lives. Because there is no statute of limitations in cases where death resulted from the mistreatment, prosecutors far into the future, not appointed by Bush or beholden to him, would be making the decisions whether to prosecute.

To ''reduce the threat of domestic criminal prosecution under the War Crimes Act,'' Gonzales recommended that Bush not apply the Geneva Conventions to al-Qaida and the Taliban. Since the War Crimes Act carried out the Geneva Conventions, Gonzales reasoned that if the Conventions didn't apply, neither did the War Crimes Act. Bush implemented the recommendation on Feb. 7, 2002.

When the Supreme Court recently decided that the Conventions did apply to al-Qaida and Taliban detainees, the possibility of criminal liability for high-level administration officials reared its ugly head again.

What to do? The administration has apparently decided to secure immunity from prosecution through legislation. Under cover of the controversy involving the military tribunals and whether they could use hearsay or coerced evidence, the administration is trying to pardon itself, hoping that no one will notice. The urgent timetable has to do more than anything with the possibility that the next Congress may be controlled by Democrats, who will not permit such a provision to be adopted.

Creating immunity retroactively for violating the law sets a terrible precedent. The president takes an oath of office to uphold the Constitution; that document requires him to obey the laws, not violate them. A president who knowingly and deliberately violates U.S. criminal laws should not be able to use stealth tactics to immunize himself from liability, and Congress should not go along.


It's a pardon.
     
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Sounds like a pardon to me too..
 
     
 
Oh, and here I was thinking this was news or at least something that was supposed to be shocking and unexpected.
     
EvilPappa
Sounds like a pardon to me too..

Then you must be going deaf.

Changing a law and then retroactively enforcing it is not a new concept. And, further, it is an act of Congress, not the Executive, so I fail to see how you can draw a comparison to a Presidential Pardon.

Hyperbole, nothing more.
 
     
 
Changing the law because you violated it doesn't suddenly make it legal, neither does dodging it..
     
EvilPappa
Changing the law because you violated it doesn't suddenly make it legal, neither does dodging it..

There is no such thing as "dodging" a law. Further, Bush didn't change the law: Congress did.

And yes, that does suddenly make it legal.
 
     
 
You Undisciplined Thing
EvilPappa
Changing the law because you violated it doesn't suddenly make it legal, neither does dodging it..

There is no such thing as "dodging" a law. Further, Bush didn't change the law: Congress did.

And yes, that does suddenly make it legal.


Did I say Bush changed any laws?

Dodging laws is trying to avoid any future prosecution by changing or interpret it differently. That's exactly what happened in the past, and most certainly when it comes to torture..
     
EvilPappa
bush has committed no war crimes
nor has he done anything impeachable
 
     
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It's funny, because according to conservative logic, the only people who need be worried about war crimes (and thus pass a pardon) are those who have committed them.

At least, that's the way it was with the wiretaps. Wonder why this isn't the same way.

Wait wait, there's something in the air. Smells like hypocrisy.
     
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Quote:
Thirty-two years ago, President Gerald Ford created a political firestorm by pardoning former President Richard Nixon of all crimes he may have committed in Watergate -- and lost his election as a result. Now, President Bush, to avoid a similar public outcry, is quietly trying to pardon himself of any crimes connected with the torture and mistreatment of U.S. detainees.

The ''pardon'' is buried in Bush's proposed legislation to create a new kind of military tribunal for cases involving top al-Qaida operatives. The ''pardon'' provision has nothing to do with the tribunals. Instead, it guts the War Crimes Act of 1996, a federal law that makes it a crime, in some cases punishable by death, to mistreat detainees in violation of the Geneva Conventions and makes the new, weaker terms of the War Crimes Act retroactive to 9/11.

Press accounts of the provision have described it as providing immunity for CIA interrogators. But its terms cover the president and other top officials because the act applies to any U.S. national.

Avoiding prosecution under the War Crimes Act has been an obsession of this administration since shortly after 9/11. In a January 2002 memorandum to the president, then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales pointed out the problem of prosecution for detainee mistreatment under the War Crimes Act. He notes that given the vague language of the statute, no one could predict what future ''prosecutors and independent counsels'' might do if they decided to bring charges under the act. As an author of the 1978 special prosecutor statute, I know that independent counsels (who used to be called ''special prosecutors'' prior to the statute's reauthorization in 1994) aren't for low-level government officials such as CIA interrogators, but for the president and his Cabinet. It is clear that Gonzales was concerned about top administration officials.

Gonzales also understood that the specter of prosecution could hang over top administration officials involved in detainee mistreatment throughout their lives. Because there is no statute of limitations in cases where death resulted from the mistreatment, prosecutors far into the future, not appointed by Bush or beholden to him, would be making the decisions whether to prosecute.

To ''reduce the threat of domestic criminal prosecution under the War Crimes Act,'' Gonzales recommended that Bush not apply the Geneva Conventions to al-Qaida and the Taliban. Since the War Crimes Act carried out the Geneva Conventions, Gonzales reasoned that if the Conventions didn't apply, neither did the War Crimes Act. Bush implemented the recommendation on Feb. 7, 2002.

When the Supreme Court recently decided that the Conventions did apply to al-Qaida and Taliban detainees, the possibility of criminal liability for high-level administration officials reared its ugly head again.

What to do? The administration has apparently decided to secure immunity from prosecution through legislation. Under cover of the controversy involving the military tribunals and whether they could use hearsay or coerced evidence, the administration is trying to pardon itself, hoping that no one will notice. The urgent timetable has to do more than anything with the possibility that the next Congress may be controlled by Democrats, who will not permit such a provision to be adopted.

Creating immunity retroactively for violating the law sets a terrible precedent. The president takes an oath of office to uphold the Constitution; that document requires him to obey the laws, not violate them. A president who knowingly and deliberately violates U.S. criminal laws should not be able to use stealth tactics to immunize himself from liability, and Congress should not go along.


It's a pardon.


Congress can't pardon anyone only the President -and governors and the like- can pardon people....this is an act of Congress...therefore this is technically not a pardon...
 
     
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