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Welcome to the Original Poetry/Lyrics forum - more colloquially known around here as the OP/L. 3nodding

This thread is designed to give you an overview of how the forum works, as well as what is right and wrong to post. We ask that you read through everything before posting.

Index

* What is the OP/L?

* General Forum Rules and Guidelines
    What Does Belong
    What Doesn't Belong (MAJOR UPDATE!)
    Other General Guidelines

* How to Post in the OP/L
    Labeling Your Topic
    Defining Criticism in the OP/L
      Line-by-line critique
      General critique
      General response

* How NOT to Post in the OP/L
    What is Discouraged
      Posting Poetry in Another's Thread
      One-Line Posts
    What is Not Allowed
      Spam
      Flaming/Trolling

* Guidelines for Reporting a Thread/Post
    When to Report a Thread
    When to Report a Post
    What NOT to Do
    Your Local Forum Moderators

* Links and Resources
    Gaia Guilds
    References
 
     
 
What is the OP/L?

The OP/L is a place where users gather to share their original poetry and learn from their fellow poets. Several users work as critics in the forum, offering advice to newbies and oldbies alike. We welcome all different styles, genres, and levels of skill to post their work. 3nodding

Most of the guidelines here are common sense, but it's worth reading through everything in order to get the hang of the forum, including what's accepted and what's not. In addition, an index is provided so you can easily look up anything you need to know. So take some time to get acquainted with this guide!
     
General Forum Rules and Guidelines

What Does Belong

~ Your own poetry. You are more than welcome to share any original work you might have!
~ Personal collectives of your poetry. If you have a lot of poetry you wish to share, you can consolidate them into a single thread.
~ Poetry writing prompts or exercises that do not give out regular rewards.
~ Threads offering to critique poetry, either for a fee or for free.
~ Poetry jams. A lot of the regulars around here refer to these as "collab threads;" usually, two or more writers will post a stanza at a time based on each other's writing, asking that others not post until the responses are declared finished. These are not usually cohesive poems, as the stanzas typically stand separate from each other. Any complete works that are the direct collaboration of two or more writers should go in the Collaborative Works subforum.

What Doesn't Belong

~ Hangout threads. Any threads that exist primarily for chatting among peers belong in either the Friends Chat forum or the Chatterbox.
~ Poetry corners, or "post your poetry here" threads. Because the entire forum is a place for users to post poetry, these threads are redundant.
~ Threads about the works of a famous poet. These belong in the main Writers forum.
~ Poetry contests. They belong in the Writing Contests forum.
~ General commentary that does not apply to a specific work. Please limit these sorts of conversations to specific topics.

Other General Guidelines

~ Please do not bump your topic until it has fallen off the front page. A lot of forums on Gaia move very quickly, causing topics to disappear within minutes - this isn't one of them! wink It could take hours in some cases to get a response, so please be patient! (Note that even posted like "*waits for responses*" or even just an emoticon count as bumps if made in quick succession.)
~ Please do not post multiple topics at once. Again, this forum moves slowly, so posting more than one topic at a time is not productive for you; in addition, it ends up filling the first page rather quickly.
~ Be sure to post the actual poem in your thread. Posting a link (even to your Gaia journal) will result in your thread being recycled.
 
     
 
How to Post in the OP/L

Labeling Your Topic

When you post a poem, think about what kind of responses you want to get. Some people prefer to see their work torn to pieces; others may have a thinner skin, especially when posting for the first time. Because of this, the OP/L has a system of labeling threads so readers know when to be harsh and when to back off.

"Asking for Critique"

You can put these in your thread title or in the post your poem is in.

NC = no critique
Under this setting, nobody will criticise your poem, but also, people are much less likely to read and comment on it.

CW = critique welcome
You may recieve negative feedback, and might become offended at what people think of your poem, but this is giving people permission to speak their mind on what they see.

CE = critique encouraged
This setting begs for brutal honesty, with absolutely zero sugar coat. This is for experienced poets who feel they cannot take the piece any further on their own, and would like any suggestions for improvement, no matter what level of criticism is involved.

A lot of times, users will put "c+c" in their thread titles. This stands for "comments and criticism," and usually, it helps the author specify what level of critique they want for their poem (though they may also just be goofy). Examples: "c+c=be gentle, please?", "c+c=harsher than steel wool!", "c+c=army of penguins at your door"

Now, this forum is mainly for critiquing and improving poetry, not JUST sharing. However, that doesn't mean that simply sharing poetry is disallowed. Therefore, if you do not want any critique, you MUST post to say so. This will help avoid unnecessary disagreements between newbies and critics.

Defining Criticism in the OP/L

The OP/L is a forum based on criticism. There are many different approaches to criticism, as well as many different definitions of the phrase "constructive criticism." This post will help guide you through the various types of responses that are considered constructive in this forum.

Line-by-line critique

This is the most in-depth version of critique. Few people prefer this method due to the amount of time and energy it takes to complete just one; however, this is the most beneficial to both the writer and the critic. It lets the writer see specific points in the writing that are weak, and it helps the critic realize what his/her preferences are with regards to writing and reading poetry.

Good example: http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?page=1&t=18326127#926149987

General critique

Many critics tend to prefer this method. Often, they will quote the poem and point out just a few places that need improvement, then detail their response in a paragraph or two. These are less specific and grilling, but they tend to give the reader an idea of where their writing stands and what could be done to give the writing better direction.

[example pending]

General response

Most people who pass through will often not take the time (or perhaps have the experience) to go through a poem and give instruction. Instead, they just leave with a fleeting impression. These can also be helpful, in that they give the writer a sense of how their audience perceives the work, but they are perhaps less reliable.

[example pending]
     
How NOT to Post in the OP/L

What is Discouraged

Posting Poetry in Another's Thread

Do not post your poetry in someone else's thread, unless it is an exercise thread. It is considered spam, as it distracts the conversation from the original topic.

The reason behind this is that, when a single person decides to do so, threads will often degenerate into several users inviting themselves to post their work in the thread, which creates a "poetry hangout" and therefore means the thread needs to be recycled. This is unfair to the original poster, since they have a right to share their work without interruption.

In cases like this, your poem will be removed with notification.

However, if it's an exercise thread, it's okay to post work that is related to the purpose of that thread. 3nodding

One-Line Posts

"Example #1"
I really liked it....Alot better than what I can do.... smile sweatdrop

"Example #2"
liked it. got nithin more to say.

"Example #3"
its alright but it needs work

Posts like this are not helpful to the writer. They aren't forbidden, but it will generally help both responder and writer if you take the time to give one or two reasons why you liked or disliked their work.

What is Not Allowed

The following posts are all violations of the Terms of Service. This is stuff that is not allowed by the rules of the whole site, not just this forum.

Plagiarism

This should really go without saying, since the title of the forum does say original, but people do it anyway.

Claiming another's work as your own is plagiarism. Committing plagiarism will result in removal of your thread, without question.

Spam

Want to talk about random stuff? Want to post responses that don't really have anything to do with the topic at hand? Go to the Chatterbox! Around here, though, such posts are not allowed and will result in deletion of your posts.

Flaming/Trolling

This is the touchiest issue in the OP/L for very good reasons. Like all art, poetry is a very personal experience. Sometimes, it's hard to hear that people don't like the piece into which you put a lot of effort. However, some posts do cross the line from negative review into flaming.

First, we'll start with examples that are on the fence.

"Example"
Try a theme less overdone, and if you have to do something that everyone else has done, make it more interesting. You messed up the rhyming scheme halfway through, then brought it back. Or maybe you thought "revenge" rhymed with "wins"? It doesn't in my language.

Try again. Or, better yet, don't try again at all.

A good portion of this post is decently constructive. It shows parts that the reader didn't like and where the writer may have made a mistake. However, the very last sentence is really counterproductive, as it lends itself to being no more than an insult. Posts like this are allowed to stay, since only the last sentence is a problem, but the critic will be asked to edit their post.

"Example"
Your vocabulary is crap. Your grammar sucks. Your ideas are cliche-ridden drivel.

Try putting a little more effort into your work.

I think we can all agree that this is certainly not a constructive post. However, this entire "critique" does technically focus on the poem, and the attacks are never intentionally directed at the writer. Therefore, this skirts away from being a flame.

This is the kind of response even a good critic might give if they are tired or really don't care for what you've given them. The best thing to do would be to ask them for an explanation as to why they think that way, and most of the time, you'll get a much better answer the second time around. Blowing up at this kind of response, though, is irrational and unnecessary.

Now let's really cross the line. mrgreen

"Example"
Wow. Could you have any less respect for the English language?

I've seen dogs produce sweeter s**t on my front lawn. Why don't you do the world a favor and find a hobby that doesn't make me vomit?

Hopefully, this one is fairly easily identifiable. xp

The key thing is, nowhere does this talk about the poem. These comments are most definitely degrading, and they are all targeting the writer, not the work. This most definitely is classified as a flame.

It's not always responses to poems that are flames. Another common example is a user's response to criticism.

"Example"
Okay, you know what, just shut the f**k up! You're nothing more than a b***h, and I can't believe you would do something like this! Why don't you go crawl back into your hole where you have no life and leave me the f**k alone?!

This is what we call "degenerating into a flame war." wink There is no need to bite the heads off of critics, no matter how harsh or rude their response may be.

Remember this: you can always take the high road. If you know you don't have anything productive to say, it's probably better off not said. If you get a response you don't agree with or don't like, say, "Thanks for your opinion," and move on. Almost every situation is best handled by walking away.

The bottom line is that flaming is indeed a violation of the Terms of Service, in addition to being disrespectful and all that. If you notice a flame, report it, and a mod will get to it as soon as possible.
 
     
 
Guidelines for Reporting a Thread/Post

Remember, the and buttons are your friends!

When to Report a Thread

If the thread is...

~ in the wrong forum
~ spam
~ plagiarizing another's work

...use the "Report a Thread" button at the bottom of the page.

When to Report a Post

If the post is...

~ off-topic/spam
~ trolling

...use the "Report a Post" button next to the post in question.

What NOT to Do

It's okay to inform someone if their thread is a repeat or if a post needs to be deleted. In most cases, a person can often change their topic/post before a moderator needs to get to it. However, if you notice that someone has already informed the original poster of their error, do not belabor the point. Please delete your post if it is redundant.

In addition, there is a right and a wrong way to let someone know.

"The Right Way"
According to the stickies, this is a repeat thread. You can edit the thread, or a moderator can take care of it for you. Just remember that it helps to read the stickies before posting in a new forum!

"The Wrong Way"
Wow, way to go, n00b. Why don't you read the stickies next time and save us all a lot of trouble?

However, the best way to handle any situation is simply to report the thread/post and let a moderator handle it.

Your Local Forum Moderators

clarion - Omni Moderator
fubenkunai - Global Moderator
Have Your Pi - Site Moderator
Eve Ill Zee Bra - Site Moderator
terradi - Site Moderator
Poetess Laureate - Moderator Assistant

If a problem needs urgent attention (which is rare, but does occur) please PM one of the dedicated moderators (the purple names).
     
Links and Resources

I find myself referring posters to some of these sites again and again. If you know of a website that is useful or that you particularly enjoy, please post it in the sticky. I'll try to keep this section of the guidelines updated.

Gaia Guilds

Connect The Arts Guild : Poetry, Drama, Art, Music, Dance, Movies - This Guild is for those creatively spirited and those who have an interest, particularly in more than one artistic means of expression and would like to surround themselves with other artists... This guild was inspired by the Aertherial movement, in which one who is an Aertherial asks "Why not fly?" instead of "Why fly?"

(If you have a guild that you would like added, please post a link with a brief description in this thread.)

Basic reference tools

A thesaurus: www.thesaurus.com
A dictionary: www.dictionary.com
A rhyming dictionary (for finding words that rhyme): www.RhymeZone.com
Another: www.rhymer.com

Lists of poetic forms

A clickable list of many poetic forms by a lady named Chantaclair Rose.
A scrolling alphabetical list of some many poetic forms by a company called AKA Wordsmith.
Another list of poetic forms at Shadow Poetry (thanks to DarkCloudsBurning for the link!).

Glossaries of poetic terms

A clickable alphabetical glossary of poetic terms by Bob's Byway.
A clickable list of poetic terms by Al Filreis, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania.
A scrolling glossary of poetic and narrative terms done by a college student as a homework project.
Another scrolling glossary which appears to have been a homework project.

Various useful things
(Thanks to Keembah!)

Brief scrolling explanations of many forms and terms, plus links to in-depth articles on each topic, by The Word Shop.

The Poetry Society of America. Their resources list is extensive.

An article by poet and teacher Conrad Geller about the poetic form called the triolet.

An article by Simran Khurana, listing some of the most famous and often-quoted poems in English.

Both a resource and a forum, this website is dedicated to Famous Poets & Their Best Poems.

General, clickable guide by Al Rocheleau, including poetic forms, poetic terms, and many good articles on how to write poetry.
 
     
 
Hey pi.

Is this new guide to reform our sub forum or just for looks? wink
     
"Vannak"
Hey pi.

Is this new guide to reform our sub forum or just for looks? wink

It's new. 3nodding There are some things preserved, including the link-reference section and the guide for labeling topics. Some things have been revised/cut down/reworded, but the general gist is the same.
 
     
 
I have a site (well, a section of a site) that lists many different forms of poetry, along with examples/how to write them:

Shadow Poetry.
     
Wow, check it out! I go away and the forum thread gets revamped. This is... kind of exciting actually. I'll have to see if there are any links listed that I haven't yet discovered.
 
     
 
Good idea. This will *hopefully* keep some things to a minimum. ::thumbsup:: Good combination of stickies, Pi.
     
I'm a pretty creepy person. :]

Yes, I am a REAL LIVE anarchist.

cool.
 
     

 
Haha poetry pointers still lives on. Kudos!
     
Poets.org



Good site, A LOT of poetry, tips on how to publish, essays, etc.





I was shocked to see penden's sticky gone.

crying
 
     
The rebel prince!
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