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Esiris
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Whom to go with? Hmm....

The ones who have history, tradition and knowledge that connect them to what Wicca is- when you try and make truth into a numbers game, you can end up with a popular opinion that isn't right- kind of like how people believe mega dosing on vitamin C can cure the common cold. cat_3nodding
Hey the Vit C might not be scientifically proven, but it does work psychologically (at least for me)
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Loona Wynd
Esiris
KiraMorgaine
Whom to go with? Hmm....

The ones who have history, tradition and knowledge that connect them to what Wicca is- when you try and make truth into a numbers game, you can end up with a popular opinion that isn't right- kind of like how people believe mega dosing on vitamin C can cure the common cold. cat_3nodding
Hey the Vit C might not be scientifically proven, but it does work psychologically (at least for me)

But the whole point is that Vit C doesn't do it- you could take sugar pills if you're talking about placebo effects.
As a person who has begun the path to be a seeker, this thread is a useful resource.
Wow, that was a lot of information I took in! smile Most of the links on the first page except for the ecstatic dance one I think are broken. Is Silver Ravenwolf what you guys call a fluffy bunny? I have seen her Teen Witch kits on Llewellyn and have heard that she is just trying to get rich and is not a Wiccan. And what about Starhawk? Is she a fluffy bunny too?
This thread is very informative, thank you Triste! mrgreen
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Wow, that was a lot of information I took in! smile Most of the links on the first page except for the ecstatic dance one I think are broken. Is Silver Ravenwolf what you guys call a fluffy bunny? I have seen her Teen Witch kits on Llewellyn and have heard that she is just trying to get rich and is not a Wiccan. And what about Starhawk? Is she a fluffy bunny too?
This thread is very informative, thank you Triste! mrgreen
The url changed. But here's the site.
X-Yami-no-Ko-X
Zola-Marie
Wow, that was a lot of information I took in! smile Most of the links on the first page except for the ecstatic dance one I think are broken. Is Silver Ravenwolf what you guys call a fluffy bunny? I have seen her Teen Witch kits on Llewellyn and have heard that she is just trying to get rich and is not a Wiccan. And what about Starhawk? Is she a fluffy bunny too?
This thread is very informative, thank you Triste! mrgreen
The url changed. But here's the site.

Thank you very much. And I now know that Silver Ravenwolf is not to be trusted.
Starhawk, as long as you take her history as mythology instead of actual fact, is a decent resource. But not for Wicca, she's Reclaiming, which has it's root in the Feri tradition, a different initiatory mystery witchcult.
maenad nuri
Starhawk, as long as you take her history as mythology instead of actual fact, is a decent resource. But not for Wicca, she's Reclaiming, which has it's root in the Feri tradition, a different initiatory mystery witchcult.

Oh okay. Thanks for letting me know. ^^
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Zola-Marie
Wow, that was a lot of information I took in! smile Most of the links on the first page except for the ecstatic dance one I think are broken. Is Silver Ravenwolf what you guys call a fluffy bunny? I have seen her Teen Witch kits on Llewellyn and have heard that she is just trying to get rich and is not a Wiccan. And what about Starhawk? Is she a fluffy bunny too?
This thread is very informative, thank you Triste! mrgreen


If there are any questions you have because of the broken links, just ask. Although Triste isn't about anymore, there are plenty of people who keep an eye on this thread and are able and willing to answer your questions.

Personally, I think $iver Ravingfluff is a fluffy of sorts yes. Different people have different understandings and uses of the term. Here in M&R it would most often be used in connection with people who are willfully ignorant. That is, people who, despite having the truth stated and demonstrated, refuse to accept it. A perfect example of this would be people who are convinced that Wicca is ye Olde ancient religion of witches who went underground because of the burning thymes. The pseudo history often perpetuated by some neo-pagans is patently untrue and false. So if the truth of the matter is properly explained to someone yet they still think Wiccans are descendents of some paleolithic witches, they might be called a fluffy. They might also be called many other things, but here, it's a good example of fluffys.
Some people find keeping the stuff they already have of hers is a good thing. Some people want rid of it. I've never owned any of her books or things, so I can't say what I'd do. I only read one whole and a number of parts of her books from bookshops and libraries.
Starhawk no longer uses the term Wicca in reference to the reclaiming tradition of witchcraft. Neither do most Feri witches of whatever branch. Some in fact, take great offence at being lumped into a category or term that they feel does not reflect the diverse and unique approach of their tradition of Witchcraft.
Personally, Starhawks 'Spiral Dance' was one of the first books I ever read on Witchcraft. I always found the Feri pentagram exercises to be extremely helpful. The display and examples of poetic licence are often liberating for anyone trying to understand and hone a personal ecclectic practice.
Basically, depending on your approach to reading materials, you can find good and bad in most of them. For me personally, $ilver Ravingfluff has more bad than good and Starhawk has more good than bad. But that's just me.

If you can, read through or at least scan through the entire thread. There are some very interesting conversations that have gone on over the years and you'll find links and recconmendations for reading throughout too.

Like I said, if you have questions, ask.
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Wicca and the Christian Heritage wondering if this book is valid enough to either page through or use as a secondary source to provide information about items.

Full source seems to be on google scholar, sources Hutton and Gardner as far as I can tell. Seems to have an accurate introduction and is cross referenced.
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Sweetrolls
This FAQ is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever read.


Since this is ED M&R, your one liner could be construed as trolling. So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here.

Please point out which parts of this very long thread are bullshit? As far as I can see, pretty much the lot of it is relatively well sourced in the first post. That which isn't, if you have an issue with it, quote the part and we'll get you some quality evidence and academic citation.
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DragonicFlames
Wicca and the Christian Heritage wondering if this book is valid enough to either page through or use as a secondary source to provide information about items.

Full source seems to be on google scholar, sources Hutton and Gardner as far as I can tell. Seems to have an accurate introduction and is cross referenced.


I just read the preface and introduction in googlebooks granted, but it seems legit. It could proove a very interesting read. It seems the purpose of it is to investigate the Christian origins of certain aspects of Wicca. Many of these are very well known about and are hardly hidden within the liturgy of Wicca. Of course, it should be remembered that all of the early Wiccans, and the vast majority of todays initiates were all raised Christian of some ilk and live, work and practice in a dominantly Christian society. I guess it's only natural that there are considerations to be had for the influence of the one on the other.
As for sources, they seem fine to me. There is a distinct academic approach to the work.

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