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ncsweet To be fair, it's not really right to lump Cunningham in with Ravenwolf. While what he writes about isn't Wicca, it's still a valid path in it's own right, and he is fairly well regarded by the Wiccan community as far as I know. |
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Celeblin Galadeneryn ncsweet To be fair, it's not really right to lump Cunningham in with Ravenwolf. While what he writes about isn't Wicca, it's still a valid path in it's own right, and he is fairly well regarded by the Wiccan community as far as I know. Hmm, "Living Wicca" doesn't condone that, really. It goes on about how you can do ritual how you please but if it doesn't fit certain criteria, it's not a "Wiccan" ritual. (His example isn't either but at least he's setting limits.) It involves much more in the way of critical thinking than "Wicca, a Guide". Lots more "why are you doing this? what does this mean?" etc. Unfortunately most people only seem to read the first one. And he's really big on that "love and light" crap. He's a big reason for fluffiness but I don't think he personally would have approved. Shame he's dead, really. Deborah Lipp is a fan of his (and a personal friend iirc) from what I've read of hers on Amber and Jet.... of course one initiate doesn't speak for "the Wiccan community" and many members dislike him. We should take a poll! |
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Sanguina Cruenta Celeblin Galadeneryn ncsweet To be fair, it's not really right to lump Cunningham in with Ravenwolf. While what he writes about isn't Wicca, it's still a valid path in it's own right, and he is fairly well regarded by the Wiccan community as far as I know. Hmm, "Living Wicca" doesn't condone that, really. It goes on about how you can do ritual how you please but if it doesn't fit certain criteria, it's not a "Wiccan" ritual. (His example isn't either but at least he's setting limits.) It involves much more in the way of critical thinking than "Wicca, a Guide". Lots more "why are you doing this? what does this mean?" etc. Unfortunately most people only seem to read the first one. And he's really big on that "love and light" crap. He's a big reason for fluffiness but I don't think he personally would have approved. Shame he's dead, really. Deborah Lipp is a fan of his (and a personal friend iirc) from what I've read of hers on Amber and Jet.... of course one initiate doesn't speak for "the Wiccan community" and many members dislike him. We should take a poll! Yes, their path can be valid, don't use that to excuse their intellectual dishonesty. And I think it's known how I feel about the love and light thing. |
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Celeblin Galadeneryn I'm just really not a fan of the whole "while they call it Wicca, it isn't, but it's valid" thing. Yes, their path can be valid, don't use that to excuse their intellectual dishonesty. And I think it's known how I feel about the love and light thing. What would make it invalid in and of itself? I'm not excusing his intellectual dishonesty or that of anyone else. I'm just saying that he isn't actually all that huge on "do anything you want and its still Wicca". He's wrong on what he described as Wicca, but at least he set limits to it. Did it appear as if I were encouraging the "love and light" thing? I did call it "crap". |
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Celeblin Galadeneryn And I think it's known how I feel about the love and light thing. You love it because it's full of light. Yes, we all know that Celeblin. Not many know about your sunshine and rainbows addiction though. |
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Sanguina Cruenta Celeblin Galadeneryn I'm just really not a fan of the whole "while they call it Wicca, it isn't, but it's valid" thing. Yes, their path can be valid, don't use that to excuse their intellectual dishonesty. And I think it's known how I feel about the love and light thing. What would make it invalid in and of itself? Though one was they would be someone invalid is if they were worshiping delusions or a thoughtform mistaken for the Gods of Wicca. Quote: Did it appear as if I were encouraging the "love and light" thing? I did call it "crap". Love and light can choke a d**k. Knew I should have added a wink in there. sweatdrop |
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deadmanjay Celeblin Galadeneryn And I think it's known how I feel about the love and light thing. You love it because it's full of light. Yes, we all know that Celeblin. Not many know about your sunshine and rainbows addiction though. ******** off and take your old pills before I get my dog to s**t on your lawn. stare |
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Celeblin Galadeneryn Love and light can choke a d**k. I cute one covered in sparkles!!! |
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Your all closeminded fools cunningham is one of the best wiccan authors there are, just because it doesent match in with your secret club you call wicca and the only wicca, doesnt mean its wrong. Thats like how baptists say that every other kind of christianity is wrong. Its just closeminded
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Lucifer Herself Your all closeminded fools cunningham is one of the best wiccan authors there are, just because it doesent match in with your secret club you call wicca and the only wicca, doesnt mean its wrong. It means it isn't Wiccan, though. Lucifer Herself Thats like how baptists say that every other kind of christianity is wrong. Its just closeminded Nah, it's more like how the Medical Association says everyone who hasn't gone to medical school isn't a qualified doctor (of medicine). |
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Lucifer Herself Your all closeminded fools Closeminded perhaps, but I tend to like to keep my mind where it should be rather than letting it fall out my ears! Lucifer Herself cunningham is one of the best wiccan authors there are, Far from it. Sure he's one of the most popular eclectic neopagan witchcraft authors, but what he wrote just isn't Wicca. He's a whole lot better than most other stuff for sure, and put together a half decent outercourt programme. Pitty he got most of his correspondences wrong alongside not having a notion what Wicca is. Personally I'd put Pat Crowther, Stuart Farrar, Vivienne Crowley, Deborah Lipp and Sorita d'Este ahead of him. None of them are perfect, far from it, but at least they all progressed to 3rd Degree High Priesthood in lineaged covens and wrote material relevant to actual Wicca. Lucifer Herself just because it doesent match in with your secret club you call wicca and the only wicca, It's not exactly a secret. But it is a closed tradition. Anything else is oathbreaking. Sure it doesn't match with Wicca, but that doesn't mean that (outside of calling it Wicca) what Cunningham et al taught/wrote isn't a valuable and fulfilling way to work eclectic neopagan witchcraft. Lucifer Herself doesnt mean its wrong. I'll never say it's wrong per se, just that it isn't Wicca and to call it Wicca is wrong. Lots of people develop very fulfilling and purposeful eclectic witchcraft paths from material presented by people such as Cunningham. There is nothing wrong with eclectic neopagan Witchcraft as a path, It just isn't Wicca is all. Lucifer Herself Thats like how baptists say that every other kind of christianity is wrong. Its just closeminded No, bad analogy. Wicca is just one religion of many neopagan religions. We are saying there is one way to be Wiccan, not that there is one way to be a neopagan Witch. To suggest a better analogy, it might be more like saying things like: If you don't believe in Jeshua as saviour and follow the law of agape, you aren't Christian. If you don't follow the principle teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, you aren't Catholic. The principal requirements for Wicca are that you be initiated and trained by a lineaged coven who trace their initiatory lineage back to Gardner, keep and maintain his teachings (core) in order to practice the orthopraxic initiatory mystery fertility cult of the Lord and Lady of the Isles. Were not saying that other forms of neopagan Witchcraft are wrong, we are just correcting the use of terms. Wicca is not a catch all for neopagan Witchcraft, it's merely one form of it., and a very specific form to boot. |
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Lucifer Herself Your all closeminded fools "An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded."  Quote: cunningham is one of the best wiccan authors there are, Almost as much as my arse. 3nodding Quote: just because it doesent match in with your secret club you call wicca and the only wicca, Ya know, secret clubs aren't really secret clubs when they're not secret. Just throwin' that out there. Quote: doesnt mean its wrong. It might or it might not, I stay out of that ********, it's his use of the term "Wicca" that is being contested primarily. Quote: Thats like how baptists say that every other kind of christianity is wrong. Its just closeminded Except that Christianity is primarily an orthodoxy whereas Wicca is primarily an orthopraxy which makes your comparison more than a bit lacking. Now, if Baptists were saying those crazy ******** down the street from them who believed that Jesus was a giant anthropomorphic duck called Lord Quackers IV and was never crucified, lived to this day, and was an aspect of, say, Bastet weren't Christian, the comparison may well be valid. 3nodding |
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Lucifer Herself Your all closeminded fools cunningham is one of the best wiccan authors there are Quote: just because it doesent match in with your secret club you call wicca and the only wicca, doesnt mean its wrong. Quote: Thats like how baptists say that every other kind of christianity is wrong. Its just closeminded |
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Cyrus the Elder Lucifer Herself cunningham is one of the best wiccan authors there are, Almost as much as my arse. 3nodding Whats the ISBN for your arse, and is it available on Amazon? |
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scorplett Cyrus the Elder Lucifer Herself cunningham is one of the best wiccan authors there are, Almost as much as my arse. 3nodding Whats the ISBN for your arse, and is it available on Amazon? Doesn't have an ISBN I'm afraid, self printed and bound and all that, top quality hand-, or should I say arse-made stuff that. Unfortunately, he is not yet well known enough to be available on Amazon, but we both have high hopes in the near future. 3nodding |
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