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Thaedydal


Kalyani Srijoi
a virgin who was prayed to by midwives.


Thank you this gave me my first giggle of the morning.
Lets just have a little think about it... why would midwives be praying to a virgin godess who knows nothing about being pregnant and feeling life stiring wthin, the sounds of two heart beat in one body and nothing about the toils and dangerous of childbirth ?


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Erm, because Artemis helped her mother give birth to Apollo when she herself was an infant?

Callimachus, in Hymn 3 to Artemis 22,
Even in the hour when I [Artemis] was born the Moirai (Fates) ordained that I should be their helper [women in childbirth], forasmuch as my mother suffered no pain either when she gave me birth or when she carried me win her womb, but without travail put me from her body.


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Greek midwives would generally invoke both Artemis and Hera-Eileithyia - Hera served as protector of mothers while Artemis served as protector of children - a role she remained in for girl-children untill the time that they reached maturity. Even once the child began to nurse, Hera presided over the mother's milk while Artemis presided over the nursing child itself.

That having been said, I have heard the theory that Artemis was once seen as a mother goddess, though I've not seen any hard evidence of this. Is this what you're hinting at?
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mmmm Callimachus. The less traveled road. I'd have to go check, Artemis' role as a midwife is probably also mentioned in the Homeric Hymns.
Yay! You rock- I can show this to my christian friends to try to explain why I'm getting a pentacle tattoo whee
xEmoMuffinx
Yay! You rock- I can show this to my christian friends to try to explain why I'm getting a pentacle tattoo whee
...what?
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xStephanx
I have a question!

In Raymond Buckland's book 'The Tree: Anlgo-Saxon Witchcraft' (I have an original copy before the reprint, go me), he claims to have changed dieties from the Lord and Lady as such to Anglo-Saxon deities (namely Woden and Freo, or Freya in the Norse).

Obviously by the FAQ's definition this makes the tradition founded in this book (Seax-Wica) invalid as Wicca. However, here's a hypothetical question - if Gerald Gardener had declared this tradition to be Wicca, would that then make it Wicca, or is Gardener's say-so not enough? (I believe Buckland did meet Gardener, and was initiated into his tradition, however I can only cite circumstancial evidence of times Buckland made this claim).



The concept of the Lord and Lady being the very same named deities across the BTW traditions as a marker of their authenticity was predominantly seeded by Buckland to begin with. Hence why the issue of the named Gods of the Wicca concept is more pronounced in the USA than it is in europe. He brought Wicca to the US and one of the first things that stood out when he proclaimed his new tradition was that of the names he gave to the God and Godess. It is also worth noting that Buckland learned from Gardner via correspondance and they met only once which was when he was initiated (by Monique Wilson) and was one of Gardners last initiates and as such the knowledge that was passed to him was much more developed in the tried and tested sort of way than many of the earlier downlines.
Some covens do keep to exactly ver-batum the names given in their BOS however this is less and less the case depending on the individual lineage of the coven and is less likley in late line Alexandrians than in Gardnarians. It is more likley you will find the lady of the moon and the horned one as archetypal concepts. Most groups will work with other Deities on an individual, group, temple or seasonal basis.
Therefore, this is not THE reason why Seax is not considered to be wiccan.
It is stated by Buckland himself and many of his followers that the Seax-Wica tradition is something of a mish-mash of reconstructed practices of saxon origin or decent. Therefore the core practices of Wicca are not present. For starters it is not an oathbound tradition, there is no requirement to pass the tradition on to new members, covens are run by democratically elected HP and HPS, it is not an initiatory system of 3 degrees etc etc. These are more the reason that Seax is not considered a Wiccan tradition. Those who are staunch 'traditionalists' will say that if the BOS is ammended then the line is invalid. This is not a blanket belief, particuluarly within alexandrian lines (mostly because Sanders initiated so many people and that he continued to develop and evolve his magical and ritual practices untill the day he passed to the sumerlands) However it is considered that there be a core that is central to all practices and that combined with valid initiatory lineage is what makes Wiccan Wiccan and not wican.

I hope this clears things up for you xStephanx
xEmoMuffinx
Yay! You rock- I can show this to my christian friends to try to explain why I'm getting a pentacle tattoo whee


Your friends have every right to be uncomfortable with the fact that you're calling yourself a member of a fertility cult at thirteen years old, kid. neutral
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[Kudzu]
blindfaith^_^
Alright, silly question time. Is the concept of balance key in Wiccan beliefs?


Well, since you asked, and since you already characterized the question as "silly," I'll go ahead and answer it by explaining what's "silly" about it, with all due respect to you. Asking "key" concepts of an orthopraxic, experiential mystery religion is often a futile exercise. Not only are the basis of our opinions oathbound, but the experiential and practical nature of them means that they're utterly subjective and not something we can spell out to you in words. Is "balance" a key concept? Well, it hasn't shown up on my Coven's scrabble board, if that's what you mean. But I suspect that's not what you mean, so instead I'll be vague and say that it is my personal opinion that the concept of "balance" could be an oversimplification in more religions than just ours. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.


I would have thought that it is most definatley a key practice...

It is never a good idea to be out of balance and one must strive to ever ramain on ones feet and not go tumbling into the quater candle setting ones hair up in a puff of smoke!!! biggrin lol xp
Nadreth
Yay - I found the FAQ. Score! xd

I even have a question! Okay so in the Rede it says: "When misfortune is enow, wear the star upon your brow." I was wondering what this means? Sorry if this is a foolish question, but hey - I have no way to learn if I don't ask questions right?


Oh, you mean the Credo?

It's not the actual Rede - it's just a poem that contains the Rede. Just a poem, really - I personally think it's complete nonsense, and it's certainly not what you'd call 'canon' by any means, but whatever.
scorplett
I would have thought that it is most definatley a key practice...

It is never a good idea to be out of balance and one must strive to ever ramain on ones feet and not go tumbling into the quater candle setting ones hair up in a puff of smoke!!! biggrin lol xp
How horribly closed-minded of you. Tsk. Wicca should be open to those with inner-ear dysfunction! xp
(Yes, I'm being silly for once)
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Duncan_the_Soulknight
*ahem* I belive you mean the Noid for the scandics. That is what the Sami people call their anyway, I don't know if you're thinking of some other people. I may not know much about Wicca, but when it comes to my own soil, I know quite a bit. Oh, maybe you were talking about what the vikings had?


Could you qualify what you mean by the Sami people?
That is; do you count a person as Sami based on the Norweigan governments inflated figures of The population as estimated at about 85,000 because the state recognizes any Norwegian as Sami if they have one great-grandparent whose home language was Sami? (IMHO, Arguably as a peace offering response to a political stand-off and as pennance for the cultural rape and surpression that the norweigans placed on the Sami for many years, notibly some of the laws brought against them between 1900 and 1940ish...)

or do you mean the actual people, born and bred with unbroken lines of nomadic and semi nomadic generations spanning almost the entire northern landmas of Eurasia from Norway, sweeden and finland right through russian siberia, who would have close genetic ties to the Iberians and berber's?

or possibly something else altogether???
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Kalyani Srijoi
Nadreth
Yay - I found the FAQ. Score! xd

I even have a question! Okay so in the Rede it says: "When misfortune is enow, wear the star upon your brow." I was wondering what this means? Sorry if this is a foolish question, but hey - I have no way to learn if I don't ask questions right?


Oh, you mean the Credo?

It's not the actual Rede - it's just a poem that contains the Rede. Just a poem, really - I personally think it's complete nonsense, and it's certainly not what you'd call 'canon' by any means, but whatever.


Actually, the entire 'poem' or should we say prose are "The Redes". So the one quoted by Kalyani is indeed a rede but possibly not therede.
Rede comes from old english meaning counsel or advice and that is what they are. Valiente wrote them in prose as she did with many things, including her version of the charge. Her intention in writing them in a prose format, aside from showing off her talents for prose writing, were as a way to induce thought in a medatitive way. Therefore any meaning or advice gleaned from them is very much on an individual basis. There are no hard and fast 'meanings' to any of them.
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Thaedydal
phoenix shadowwolf
Duncan_the_Soulknight
Err... don't kill me for asking... but what is an athame?
generally a dull, black handled blade, with the tang being only about as long as one's palm.

mainly used to "open the door" when a circle is cast, or direct enery. depending on the tradition, not used for physical cutting at all, but for psychic or spiritual cutting.


An Athame is a personal blade concetrated at the 1st degree initation of a person into Wicca or British Traditiona Wicca.

There is a traditional in magic of a blackhandled knife to be used for various tasks it goes back as far to be mentioned in the Key of Soloman, but an Athame is only created at a 1st degree initation and is only weilded by someone who is an initate any other person using a blackhandled knife is doing just that using an blackhandled knife for magical purposes.

An Athame is ment to be sharp like the mind of the witch and priest/ess wielding it, the best metaphore for a sharp blade is a sharp blade.

Just as an adendum to this... which you put across really well might I say, Is that an Athame is not only a tool but a weapon. It is intended also to controll and subdue certain entities etc

Thaedydal

Cuchullain
Just to point out one last thing.
THe title of High Priest is reserved for Third Degree Wiccans.
You must be initiated to recieve it.


Ah no.
On being initaited to the 1st degree in Wicca the person is then presented to the Gods as a witch and priest/ess, on being initiated to the 2nd segree a person is presented to the Gods and a witch and High Preist/ess and upon being initatied to the 3rd degree a person is presented as being witch, High Priest/ess and Elder of thier Wiccan Tradition.

Er... close but no cigar...
yes 1st one is Priest/ess and Witch, on 2nd they are High Priest/ess and Magus/Witch Queen and 3rd they are Thrice consecrated and Holy High Priest/ess (and autonomus) Some lines of Alexandrian and Gardnarian accept 2nd AND 3rd as duly ordained elders of the craft. Then there are those who percieve eldership as crone or sage...
Dude. I love this post. Great job...I think it cleared up a lot of misconceptions on what Wicca is really about.
scorplett
Kalyani Srijoi
Nadreth
Yay - I found the FAQ. Score! xd

I even have a question! Okay so in the Rede it says: "When misfortune is enow, wear the star upon your brow." I was wondering what this means? Sorry if this is a foolish question, but hey - I have no way to learn if I don't ask questions right?


Oh, you mean the Credo?

It's not the actual Rede - it's just a poem that contains the Rede. Just a poem, really - I personally think it's complete nonsense, and it's certainly not what you'd call 'canon' by any means, but whatever.


Actually, the entire 'poem' or should we say prose are "The Redes". So the one quoted by Kalyani is indeed a rede but possibly not therede.
Rede comes from old english meaning counsel or advice and that is what they are. Valiente wrote them in prose as she did with many things, including her version of the charge. Her intention in writing them in a prose format, aside from showing off her talents for prose writing, were as a way to induce thought in a medatitive way. Therefore any meaning or advice gleaned from them is very much on an individual basis. There are no hard and fast 'meanings' to any of them.


... Huh?

You lost me here. The quote Nadreth gave was from a poem written by Lady Gwen Thompson, the Wiccan Credo, which is often confused with a poem written by Doreen Valiente, The Witches Creed. Is that what you're talking about?

http://wicca.timerift.net/laws/credo.shtml
http://wicca.timerift.net/laws/creed.shtml

?
Kalyani Srijoi
xEmoMuffinx
Yay! You rock- I can show this to my christian friends to try to explain why I'm getting a pentacle tattoo whee


Your friends have every right to be uncomfortable with the fact that you're calling yourself a member of a fertility cult at thirteen years old, kid. neutral


I think it's the first time I ever snorted water. Really caught me off-guard here.

Aren't tattoos illegal for minors anyway? She might want to think twice about putting something that will ******** up half of her job interviews on her skin, too.

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