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[Chibikerichan]

killers_are_quiet_666

Peaceful Revolution

killers_are_quiet_666

Wicca comes from an ancient religion called shamanism.

Evidence?

All Magikal religion comes from Shamanism, INCLUDING Wicca.

*snort*

If you're looking at this from an anthropological point of view, I guess... if you squint really hard....

(Anthropologists look at local "medicine men" and healers who invoke spirits, etc., as shaman, no matter what their ethnicity/culture.)

If not, you, sir, are quite a load.

[CuAnnan]

killers_are_quiet_666

I want to say this about the whole Gardner thing... Witchcraft, be it earth magik, or fire magik, air magik or water, it has been around Longer than some man claiming to have founded it. Wicca comes from an ancient religion called shamanism. All Gardner did was modernize it. All he did, in my opinion, is taint it by changing it and using it to attain fame and fortune,

Really, stop talking now.
You have several people far more knowledgable than you on the topic of Wicca posting on this thread.
Shamanism has little to know bearing on the core practices of Wicca. Wicca is not a Shamanic religion. While there are "Shamans" who are Wiccan, the two are not mutually inclusive. As has been pointed out repeatedly, the word Shaman really only applies to the Mongol practices.

killers_are_quiet_666

I'm sorry, I mis-spoke, Wicca is BELIEVED to start from an ancient religion called Shamanism.

Only by those who are ignorant of Shamanism and Wicca.

killers_are_quiet_666

The Shamans were medicine people, the power wielders, male and female. They wrought magick and spoke to the spirits of Nature.

The k was added by Crowley in the early twentieth century, not to distinguish between stage magic and esoterica but to make it fit into his magic square system.

killers_are_quiet_666

From these primitive beginnings arose all magick and religion including Wicca.

Provide proof that all magical systems have a common source.

killers_are_quiet_666

Though refined and changed for our world, Wicca still touches our souls and causes ecstasy--awareness shifts--uniting us with Deity. Many of the teachings of Wicca are Shamanic in origin

Nope.

killers_are_quiet_666

Spelling magik with a 'k' is my choice... it is how I distinguish it, and most of the Wiccans I know do the same, so it's just what I am in the habbit of doing.

It is fairly ignorant really.

killers_are_quiet_666

As for the elemental weapon of ether... I believe it is air, but Im not positive...

Air is an element.
How can an element be the weapon of another element?
No novice would make a stupid mistake like that.
How about you stop pretending (to yourself I suspect) that you're a Wiccan, drop the teenage rebellion act, go back to church and stop using your "religious beliefs" to form an identity.

[Marshal67]

Your link to the 161 laws does not work. At least for me. Just though I would let you know.

@Cuchullain: You say go back to church as if it is a bad thing wink

[CuAnnan]

Marshal67

@Cuchullain: You say go back to church as if it is a bad thing wink

No Marshal, that's just the way you're hearing it.
I have the utmost respect for Christianity.
I'm stating that she's using Wicca as an identity crutch and that, in the long run, she'll be much happier not living a lie.
Since most of the people of this ilk are dissenchanted Christians, I'm just playing it safe.

[Ihavenoarmz]

Eh. A simple question, though I don't know if you would answer because of those damn mysteries:

Does Wicca have the same elemental weapons as the Golden Dawn?

[ShadowSharrow]

The five elements used in Wiccan and in most witchcraft are
Earth, Water, Fire, Air and Spirit.

Quote:

Does Wicca have the same elemental weapons as the Golden Dawn?

Wether that is or not the case may be Oathbound.

On the Subject of Shamanism and Wicca

A Shaman is to the indigenous mongoalian people as
A Mediance Wo/Man is to the indigenous people of america
A Sedir worker is to the indigenous people of scandinva
A Witch is to the indigenous people of europe

All the above are magical practioners who work with thier local spirits,
of thier people and of the land for many purposes, hunting, fertility, healing ect.

Wicca is a religion who's initiates are witches and are called upon thier Gods to use thier craft in service.

[Ihavenoarmz]

Thaedydal

Quote:

Does Wicca have the same elemental weapons as the Golden Dawn?

Wether that is or not the case may be Oathbound.

That's fine.
I was just... checking something, but it's not exactly essential or anything.

[Duncan_the_Soulknight]

Thaedydal

The five elements used in Wiccan and in most witchcraft are
Earth, Water, Fire, Air and Spirit.

Quote:

Does Wicca have the same elemental weapons as the Golden Dawn?

Wether that is or not the case may be Oathbound.

On the Subject of Shamanism and Wicca

A Shaman is to the indigenous mongoalian people as
A Mediance Wo/Man is to the indigenous people of america
A Sedir worker is to the indigenous people of scandinva
A Witch is to the indigenous people of europe

All the above are magical practioners who work with thier local spirits,
of thier people and of the land for many purposes, hunting, fertility, healing ect.

Wicca is a religion who's initiates are witches and are called upon thier Gods to use thier craft in service.

*ahem* I belive you mean the Noid for the scandics. That is what the Sami people call their anyway, I don't know if you're thinking of some other people. I may not know much about Wicca, but when it comes to my own soil, I know quite a bit. Oh, maybe you were talking about what the vikings had? To be honest, I don't remember what those were called. (Shame on me, after claiming I knew about my own cultural history. Ah well, at least I admit it.)

Could you explain more about the Sedir worker? I tried wiki and google, but only got stuff in turkish and a couple of resorts.

[CuAnnan]

Duncan_the_Soulknight

*ahem* I belive you mean the Noid for the scandics. That is what the Sami people call their anyway, I don't know if you're thinking of some other people.

No, she meant a Sedir worker. Whether or not she is correct in what she meant I will allow those more knowledgable in the Norse faiths to argue.

Duncan_the_Soulknight

I may not know much about Wicca, but when it comes to my own soil, I know quite a bit. Oh, maybe you were talking about what the vikings had?

Considering the vikings were not a people, but those who viked, I don't think she did.

Duncan_the_Soulknight

To be honest, I don't remember what those were called. (Shame on me, after claiming I knew about my own cultural history. Ah well, at least I admit it.)

Yes, you admit to being a hypocrite.
If you're not strong on your own culture, don't claim expertise on it.

Duncan_the_Soulknight

Could you explain more about the Sedir worker? I tried wiki and google, but only got stuff in turkish.

Dammit, place edit tags in. That's really infuriating.

Funny, I found "Odinism is a way of learning. Odhinn is learning all the time. He is so thirsty of knowledge that even all of the knowledge of Freyja's Seiðir, the aesir Rune wisdom that he aquired in Yggdrasil and the knowledge that he learned from the Jotun Mimir was not enough, then he sent his ravens, Hugnin and Munnin to the Nine Worlds to gather more and more knowledge to him every day."

Amazing what happens when two people do the same search.

[jaden kendam]

Damn, I miss all the fun stuff anymore. I even have links on Crowley and his magic with a k. What the hell people, where is the jaden signal?


Anyways, I just remembered since it is not a perverted sex cult that is heavily into S&M, that I would not be supporting the religion anymore.

But, every magic comes from Shamanism? What the heck is that about? I had no idea that the Egyptian priests were called Shamans or they they practiced Shamanism.

[Gavriel00]

Shamanism does not really applt to Mongol practices, those are Mongol nomads, MAYBE.

Mongolia, on a whole is Vajrayana Buddhist.

Metta,
Sherab heart

[blindfaith^_^]

Gavriel00

Shamanism does not really applt to Mongol practices, those are Mongol nomads, MAYBE.

Mongolia, on a whole is Vajrayana Buddhist.

Metta,
Sherab heart

Could you site this please?

[ShadowSharrow]

[quotel]Seiðr (seiðir) - Magic. http://www.irminsul.org/arc/011ht.htm

[quote ] http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/seidhr.shtml

Seiðr

Of these terms, seiðr is the most common, as well as the most difficult to define. The term seiðr is most commonly translated as "witchcraft," and is used to describe actions ranging from shamanic magic (such as spirit journeys, magical healing by removing "spirit missiles" such as elf-shot from the body, magical psychiatric treatment in the form of recovering lost portions of the soul-complex, etc.), to prophecy, channeling the gods or the gods' voices through a human agent, performing magic that affects weather or animal movements, as well as a wide range of malefic magic. The single most characteristic element of seiðr, however, seems to be magic of a type which works by affecting the mind by illusion, madness, forgetfulness or other means. The practitioner of seiðr was known as a seið-kona (seið-wife) or seið-man, but these terms tended to suggest a "black magician," so that frequently a seið-worker is called a spá-kona or spae-wife instead to avoid blackening their name with the negative connotations of seiðr. This "politically correct" title usage for the seið-worker has resulted in much confusion over the types of native Scandinavian magic since the categories between seiðr and spá became blurred by later writers. seiðr could give the worker knowledge of the future, but rather than directly perceiving ørlög or fate, as a spá-kona or völva would, the seið-practitioner summoned spirits to communicate the knowledge of the future. Other terms in common use for those practicing seiðr include fjölkunnigr-kona, "full-cunning-wife, knowledgeable women" and hamhleypa, "hamingja-leaper, shape- or skin-changer" (Simpson, 183).

Seiðr was a solitary art, where the seið-witch was not a member of a coven, as in found in other European witch traditions, although a seið-practitioner might have attendants or a chorus to assist her in the practice of her magic. In a very few rare instances only do the sagas report a group of seið-workers practicing together, there they are usually kin folk, such as a pair of sisters, a father and his family, and the like (Ellis-Davidson, 37-3 cool .

[Deoridhe]

Duncan_the_Soulknight

Could you explain more about the Sedir worker? I tried wiki and google, but only got stuff in turkish and a couple of resorts.

Seidhr, or spaecrafting, is one of the "magic"s of the Norse/Germanic cultures. The Sami, while having trading relations with the Norse and Germanic tribes, are no closer to them than the Celts were/are. A person skilled in seidhr was often called a voelva. It involves walking the nine worlds and interceeding with the ancestors and landvaettir. Jenny Blain, a modern athropologist, has done some work with seidhr from an anthro and personal angle; I highly recommend her book on the subject.

We know seidhr involved chanting or singing and some kind of herbs, either ingested or inhaled, and that the people who did it were considered wise and able to heal or harm. It is definitely different from the other form of Norse/Germanic "magic", which is runecraft. Also, voelvas travelled a lot; either there weren't many of them, or their continued presence lead to problems; a combination of both is possible.

Seidhr was traditionally considered female and runecrafting male, but most modern reconstructionalists I know don't mind the gender divide and go where the gods call them.

Seidhr is a form of shamanism in the anthropological sense, but not a form of shamanism in the religious sense.

That is, the word "shaman" as adopted by first nation explorers who analyze the cultures of other people is different from the word shaman as used in its original context and with respect by others who walk the paths, heal, and harm. Unless you're Tuvan, you DAMN well better have a cultureal context for your use of the word "shaman", or - better yet - use the actual word from the culture you are working from.

[Odd Decision]

jaden kendam

I had no idea that the Egyptian priests were called Shamans or they they practiced Shamanism.

Just to clarify some of this up...
Egyptian Priests were known back then as, Egyptian Priests. Only thing thats changed is the language we say it in. Saying it in any other language doesn't do s**t. They were uptight proud assholes selected by the Pharoah who passed their positions onto their kids while robbing the public of the food so they could get enough will power to go up to the Pharoah and say, "the entrails of the crocodile say you should kill 84297 babies." Basicly, Egyptian Priests had nothing to do whatsoever with any form of, "Shamanism." It was based purely off of political opinion of who would be the best dude to guess at what the gods wanted and to create a theoligical support for the government to justify the Pharoah's... brutal tendencies.

Sum Rtikle I uuzed.